An important PSA on the 4 most common Ketamine cuts and how to detect them. : ketamine | Torhoo darknet markets
1. MSG
2. MSM
3. Creatine
4. Caffeine
MSG - If you're receiving shard there is a high chance it is cut with MSG. MSG if a salt like food additive that is common in usually unhealthy foods like potato chips, fast food, and Chinese take-out. The crystals are extremely similar to ketamine shards and can be impossible to tell apart. You can tell if your ketamine is cut with it because approximately 10 minutes after insufflating you will start feeling this nasty beef tasting gunk sticking to the back of your throat. If you swallow it it will taste like chemical Chinese beef broth and you will be burping it for the next 45 min. It's also very difficult to hack out because it's so gluey. MSG is also slightly stimulating because it releases glutamate.
MSM - This is arthritis medication. You won't find this in shard batches because the crystals do not resemble ketamine shards. Usually you will find this in sugar and powder. It's very easy to tell if MSM in ketamine, you will notice a cold sensation in the mouth, similar to the cooling effect of mint but more subtle. It also causes congestion issues and it's gross. Also, arthritis medication has active effects on the body which can interfere with other medications and overall it should not be going into our body regardless!
Creatine - Creatine is pre-workout and is found in sugar and powder batches. Creatine also has a very distinct giveaway. Normally 15 minutes after insufflation you will feel the roof of your mouth salivating/foaming a sort of gross chemical silicon tasting sludge.
Caffeine - Caffeine is a stimulant and if cut in ketamine it will be found in sugar and powder batches. The last batch I had where I suspected had caffeine in it was in October of last year and I don't remember the effects other than it was very stimulating. Fun fact: Did you know that PCP was made obsolete because the stimulation would make "anesthisized" patients very rowdy and problematic? Then came a wonderful chemist that invented this beautiful chemical Ketamine and everything was good. So why the fuck are you guys trying to take us back to the stone ages with these stimulating dissociatives?!
Bonus: Acetone - or similar solvents that smell like nail polish remover and gasoline can sometimes be found in batches where the vendor carelessly left solvents in the ket after the cutting process. Of all the impurities listed above, this is the most hazardous. I have personally been made very sick to the point where I believed I was being targeted. But I experienced it several more times from different vendors in different countries that would have had no reason to hurt me. The symptoms for having been poisoned by this is a scalding burning sensation in the throat and sinuses as if you snorted a sip of boiling hot coffee or stomach acid. It can also cause pressure on the left side of chest and arm reminiscent of how it would feel to have a heart attack.
Now you're probably wondering, ok how can I remove these things from my ketamine? IME you cannot. I've researched different methods of removal but none of them have proven succesful. I've heard of a trick of putting your ketamine on a CD case and tapping it lightly at an angle and the cut will fall off and ketamine will stay, but it doesn't work as some of these cuts have heavier or lighter molecular weights and often times there are multiple cuts in the same batch. You also can't put the ketamine in the oven and remove these cuts cause they have a similar burning point. Dissolving ketamine in water and putting it through a filter also won't remove these cuts cause they're water soluble. Putting the ket in a shiev and shaking it also does not work because of differing sizes and weight of the cuts. I haven't tried acetone removal but from what I've researched, most or all of these cuts cannot be removed that way.
In conclusion, we shouldn't have to be dealing with removing this garbage from our ket in the first place. No drug should ever be cut, but especially not dissociatives/psychedelics like ketamine. You wouldn't be mixing pre-workout into LSD (if it was possible), or grinding up mushrooms into dust and mixing caffeine and arthtritis medication, so why should you with ketamine?! You're all a bunch of greedy scumbags and I'm fucking done with you. To the rest of you I implore you to drop any vendor that sells you this garbage. If you normally take small 20mg bumps and can't really tell if it's cut or not, go for a 50mg line and if you detect a cut drop the fucking vendor immediately and if you're up for it sound the alarm to the community. These guys are still in business because we as a community are allowing it. Put an end to this.
1. How is creatine stimulating in any way?
>And you will suddenly start feeling very stimulated. IME the creatine stimulation outlasts the ketamine effects and if you're sensitive to stimulants it will have you wired and unable to sleep long after.
This seems false - creatine is not psychoactive to my knowledge. Food supplements that contain both creatine AND caffeine would be psychoactive. You would not feel stimulation from a "pure" creatine cut if I am not missing something obvious here.
2. The minty taste supposedly being caused by MSM:
my very shallow research on the taste of MSM yields no mention of mint/spearmint as a descriptor. It is referred to as bitter in taste, with mentions of genetic differences that influence the perceived flavor.
I could find an amazon review (lmao) of some food supplement product containing MSM that supposedly tastes of spearmint.
How do you conclude that the mintiness which I have also tasted in select batches must be caused by cutting with MSM? I've always imagined that the asshole doing the cutting had to have sprinkled some Fisherman's Friend into the bag, or that a minty sensation might even be a property of ketamine itself. Anecdotal: If I recall correctly, the strongest batches that I have ever tasted had a pleasant minty aroma when snorting, so I associate that with good product - this can of course be complete fabrication by what's between my ears; but it brings me to my last question.
3. What is pure Ketamine looking, tasting, smelling, feeling like?
Now if we assume that "bitter" and "minty" and "sweet" are all indications of cutting agents:
what's pure Ket taste like?
And what about salt, both as a taste found with Ket and as a cutting agent? One could imagine that veterinary ketamine (straight from da vial, yo) is suspended in saline, so a salty solution. If you were to dry that solution up because you were a very lucky individual that can procure big crates of veterinary ketamine for their hypothetic horsey ranch, you would be left with dry ketamine that contains a salt residue from that solution, which typically contains 0,9% salt. This would be "fire" ket, but it would still inherit a salty taste.
What the indian producers do in their manufacturing process for illicitly shipped ketamine I do not know, and maybe don't even want to. But a question whose answer would elucidate us users stands:
what is my uncut "fire" ketamine supposed to taste like anyways?
I am also saddened by what's been sold as "AAA+++" ketamine over the last two years or so. The stuff I bought from some random ass cartel pusher for a cheap price in 2018 hit a lot harder than the crap that's available now.
Some substantiated and honest information about the nature of pure ketamine would help in raising awareness to this terrible cutting practice, and maybe quell some misunderstandings and prejudices in buyers and vendors.
No doubt that there's plenty of cutting going on, but maybe the producers themselves are even partly responsible, synthesizing batches that are only xx% actual active ketamine.
MSM leaves a cold sensation in your mouth. It's not exactly minty but the cooling effect is very similar to mint, altough less pronounced. There are ketamine forums online that also mention this.
In my experience pure ketamine does taste mostly just salty. No gunk, no congestion, no mint, chinese broth, etc.
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I am also saddened by what's been sold as "AAA+++" ketamine over the last two years or so. The stuff I bought from some random ass cartel pusher for a cheap price in 2018 hit a lot harder than the crap that's available now.
Some substantiated and honest information about the nature of pure ketamine would help in raising awareness to this terrible cutting practice, and maybe quell some misunderstandings and prejudices in buyers and vendors."
I've come to the conclusion that a significant reason for the ket scene being so messed up is because of all the shilling and manipulation that is being allowed here, with lack of moderation. If we crack down on the shills and enforce quality control then the state of the scene will improve drastically.
re: creatine:
It seems that my issue was due to semantics or misaligned preconception.
(from another very shallow session with Dr. Med. Google™,) Creatine generally aids or increases a cell process and indeed "energizes" or improves cell capabilities. It is not (?) acting on brain receptors typically associated with the effect of stimulant drugs, e.g. noradrenaline, dopamine, which is what I was thinking about with my reasoning.
So creatine does indeed increase energy (availability).
re: MSM:
I could find no reference to the sensation induced by pure MSM, since search engines flood me with results for "cooling gels" and the like, whose main ingredient is MSM; they seem to often contain Menthol as well.
I guess my point is moot in that case anyways, because one could assume that the assholes doing the cutting could very well use these exact "pre-minted" MSM products for their shameful deed.
Further research needed - though not really. What I take away from this is that proppa fukken Ket should really not behave like mint or menthol.
re: taste of pure ket:
would you say/know/guess that the salty taste is a property of the pure molecule, or inherited by the reclamation of Ket from a saline solution? My other points are mostly cleared now, but this one sticks out to me.
I will definitely taste the next batch I receive like a hawk. Assuming hawks have a particular good sense of taste.
Someone offered me his ketamine at a party this week and it had that very familiar minty taste again. I bet that it's from the same production batch that has been sold for months now.
At least it was strong, but it's disconcerting to know that the minty taste should definitely not be present.
Creatine is not, in and of itself, stimulating in nature; an absolute untrue comparison made to caffiene which is, physiologically, a CNS stimulant in its pharmokinetics.
I believe what you are referring to in how people "take creatine before gym workouts to get a pump." you are actually mixing/confusing creatine monohydrate with preworkout supps which main active ingredients for that insane focus and energy to workout is from caffiene, Nitric Oxide (a potent vasodilator), and most do containe creatine monohydrate, but creatine is not responsible for psychoactive or stimulant effects.
How creatine works is, in layman's terms, allows you to push out a couple more reps in a set, and retain and recover with shorter rest periods. This is not due to it being a CNS stimulant; rather, it's method of action in the body is it creatine monohydrate carrys a phosphate in which it transfers to nearby ADP (adenosine diphosphate) to generate ATP (adenosine triphosphate) at an accelerated rate in someone who is not taking creatine monohydrate, hence, it's ability to allow for a gymperson to push out a couple more reps, and recover between sets faster.
First you may do your own research to see how creatine in and of itself is not a CNS stimulant like caffiene which readily crosses the blood-brain barrier similar to alcohol which is why its effects are experienced within 15 minutes of ingestion. It's theoretical method of action in which it creates its aroused/energetic state is that it is an adenosine receptor antagonist meaning it blocks adenosine, (free from phosphates, where phosphates would be lost from adenosine due to energy usage: ATP the energy of the body, bond break of a phosphate = energy which results in ADP which needs a phosphate to become ATP before it can be readily used for energy again), high levels of adenosine reacting with their constituent receptors is what causes the body to experience a state of lethargy, or less energy.
Furthermore, creatine does not have an immediate effects as you say it does. Users new to creatine or those who have not been on it for a while require a "pre-load" phase, where an increased amount of creatine is taken (around 5g for preload for a week or so before returning to normal dosage of 1g a day), if one chooses not to preload creatine, it's effects which are, once again, a little gain in muscle mass and size due to its ability to bring more water to muscles, hence, why a great amount of water must be consumed when supplementing with creatine.
A test you can do at home to see how creatine is just not comparable or even able to be categorized as a stimulant, or psychoactive, is to take a great amount of caffiene and a great amount of creatine on seperate occasions. An overdose or great intake of caffiene will result in the telltale sign of a stimulant overdose: tachycardia, anxiety, sweats, paranoia, and possible panic attacks.
Creatine overdose, would likely result in great stomach discomfort and would be quite bad for the kidneys to boot, but you would not see the same signs and symptoms that occur in high intake of stimulants or overdose of stimulants.
And really, if you are getting K, do not buy shit that is powder, that shit is cut for sure, creatine does not have the crystalline structure like K does so powdered k is just a no go in all fronts to tell you a cut is in.
K is often administered IM and IV past those who stick to insuffiation. Creatine is not readily water-soluble as ketamine is. Ketamine should become quite homogenous in a ratio of 300mg per ml of distiled/sterile water and any items that are floating or left is cut. Try mixing creatine in water, shit does not become homogenous easily whatsoever, you are almost always drinking bits of sand in a creatine monohydrate water mixture.
If you snorted creatine and felt it had effects of FMA, that was likely placebo or you snorted preworkout, sorry comrade, but some points are just off.
I've never experienced insuffiation of MSG, so I cannot atest to what that would feel like, but it is true that as it is monosodium glutamate, glutamate is an excitatory molecule which is why some experience migraines from eating chinese food. I'd say an easy way to tell is to dip your pinky and just taste the ketamine you have. MSG has a distinct flavor that is nothing like ketamine.
Ketamine is also interesting in its electromagnetic properties and molecular structure in which, pure ketamine s isomer when grinded to find powder from crystal form should almost fly off your card when you are making lines on a surface smooth like an ipad screen, wheras pure k binds to glass surfaces which will result in a film of the k powder not similar to cocaine (assuming the coke you ahve is quite pure and does not have cuts) grind and rack lines of pure k and high pure cocaine next to each other, they respond in interestingly different ways. these are some preliminary poorman ways to judge, but honestly just get a reagent kit.