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Announcing the launch of Daunt: DoS attacks end here. : Daunt | Torhoo darknet markets

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Today, I can proudly announce the launch of Daunt: The authenticated Darknet link directory.

http://dauntdatakit2xi4usevwp3pajyppsgsrbzkfqyrp6ufsdwrnm6g5tqd.onion
https://daunt.link

Daunt is a new platform as part of the Dread Network, which will serve as a trusted third party for sharing addresses to known and verified services on the Tor and I2P network. However, it is not JUST a link directory. This platform will serve as a "solution" to the on-going DoS attacks through the private mirror sharing concept I have built into it. While it doesn't solve the problem at hand, it should allow the possibility for a lot more organic traffic through to affected services. Essentially, side-stepping the DoS attacks. The idea is to buy time as we await PoW fixes for the Tor network, which has saw extremely positive progress in the last month alone.

I conjured this concept based on a question I have been asking myself since the very first attacks started in 2019: "How do we share mirrors without an attacker gaining access to them?". The answer is Daunt. We have years of user data, that can act as a method of verification for you to prove yourself as a legitimate and contributing user in order to access different sets of mirrors based on your "level" in the community. I've been working hard on this and while this first iteration, I don't expect to be perfect, we will look to improve it based on feedback and monitoring of the results.

Daunt works by providing service operators with a method of easily submitting their mirrors in an automated manner, to be served in the directory under their service. The API endpoint for submitting the links also allows them to group links by a "Tier" name. They can then set restrictions for each of their mirror tiers, for who can access it and who cannot. They can also submit Tiers with no authentication required, or merely a captcha challenge within Daunt to access mirrors. There are no limitations to this and operators can individually curate their settings.

Some examples of authentication that determine your access to a Tier may be simply verifying you are a Dread member, whether you have a Dread premium membership, the age of your account, among many other account stats. Unless the service specifically publishes the requirements for their Tiers, this will not be made aware to you as a user. You may also have access to more mirrors from one service, than you do another. This is determined by the range of Tiers the service is providing.

To authenticate your account at Daunt, you must login using a static authentication key, which you can generate through the Dread code generator. This is available by going to Account -> Code Generator within Dread. Your key is an encrypted value which reflects statistics of your Dread account. You can re-generate the key every 7 days to update it.

You may have a lot of questions at this point, which I will cover below, copied from the Daunt FAQ Pages:

What if Daunt is offline?

We do expect outages on the Daunt onion address, so make sure to save all Daunt mirrors listed in the directory. We will be trying our best to scale the service out which should take a lot of the heat away from other services that are being targetted and we then have the fallback clearnet address here: Daunt.link. This is not recommended for use, however if you are unable to access any of our onion addresses, the clearnet service will always be online and still allows authenticated mirror access.

[We will also launch an I2P Gateway when possible]

Is it safe to use the Dread login on the Daunt clearnet gateway?

My initial thoughts on this were to disable the login API access on the clearnet gateway, due to the information provided by the API in its existing state as it was used on Recon. Data such as your account username and PGP Key were required to be passed in the API response, which is out of the question completely when passing the data over a clearnet accessible server. The solution we implemented for this was to create new trustless authentication keys for Dread accounts. These use an encrypted dataset of your account stats with only rounded values and no other identifying factors. This also doesn't rely on Dread being online to login, which is why it is extremely important that you SAVE YOUR KEY.

Why are there no working links that I can access for X service?

It will happen, this is not an all around solution due to the possibilities of human intervention with an attacker managing to gain access to certain links or a user sharing them to the attacker. However, this also depends on how far the service is able to scale out so that they can provide a variety of tiers for accessing unique mirrors. If you are unable to access a site listed on Daunt, always be patient, our API supports repetitive polling to update mirror links and rotate to new ones when they are available from the service.

NOW, something extremely important for you all. Login to Dread, get your Auth Key and SAVE IT. This may become a must have for accessing some services where you fit the requirements of their Tiers. So SAVE IT, you never know if Dread will become inaccessible.

The last thing worth noting here is the sorting of Markets in the directory. To ensure it is fair between all included established markets, Daunt will ALWAYS use randomized sorting, on every page load for Market categorized services. Rather than relying on either arbitrary stat values which can be falsified, or even worse "opinion" of the directory admin. As always, we are a neutral third party, so there will never be any pay offs to manipulate market positions, unlike some other directories in the past.

As much as I never even wanted to operate a link directory, it is essential right now to try and improve the balance of things through this authenticated mirror concept and it comes at a good time where there aren't many reliable, up to date options from a proven operator.

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/u/KonradFunken
10 points
2 years ago
You guys are the architects here and I have nothing but respect for all of your dedication, I personally don't like the sound of a central point for ousting all of the mirrors for the most popular DN resources over clearnet with no authentication required. I think it could quickly turn into a homepage for DDoS'ers who would quickly take the bottom tier links down and keep them down.

If/when such a thing happens then that could be good in a sense of separating the wheat from the chaff in terms of raising the waterline of the quality of contributors and members who have the opporunity to participate, which I am wholly unopposed to.

I like the idea of a system that puts the power in the hands of the community. Decentralize TOR by giving everyone a (unique?) private mirror, and let access to the onions flow organically by who they decide to share their mirror with. Those who invite access to attackers or otherwise undesirable community members can be identified by the originating referral link and denied futher privileges.

This would encourage a more tribal, peer-to-peer way of sharing information and encourage networking among the individuals. Sort of a mesh-network of humans, wouldn't that be an ideal implementation of decentralization in one of its truest senses?

I'd like to see TOR evolve in a way that encourages the people to also evolve to become more decentralized themselves. The potential for pay-to-play and elitism seems like a sticky situation that could end up 'mirroring' the very system that the idea was originally designed to be resilient against.

It's likely that I'm overlooking something on the technical side, huge respect to the whole team for everything that they've been through and accomplished over the years.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
2 years ago
It is not cheap or easy to run personalized mirrors for every user.

Daunt does not have links with no authentication, aside from the primary mirrors of services. Services which are attacked, these links will be down anyway. Any mirrors that are intended to be protected, require authentication and there is nothing an attacker can do other than pass a captcha and take down a single mirror and in the case of captcha only tiers, services are using mirror rotation, so it will simply rotate and be replaced. They can do this continually, by hand, but nothing more. Resulting in these mirrors not being consistently down and allowing initial access to most users, who can then retrieve a private mirror from said service. Any lower access tiers, if breached by an attacker through either building a reputation on Dread or having an authentication key shared with them, will be locked out pretty quickly. The whole process and every fall back was thought through thoroughly, until this concept reached a point of being as air tight as possible.
/u/KonradFunken
1 points
2 years ago*
Thank you for taking the time to explain. Clearnet sites are frequently DDoS'ed in their own right, they're not immune in any sense and I still don't like the idea of any part of this being tied in to the clear web as a solution for preventing data leaking to bad actors but I'll obviously defer to you and your team's decision making process.

Instead of each user having a personalized mirror, could it be allowable for users to share their Daunt authentication keys instead? They would need to be willing to risk their Dread reputation to vouch that the individual who they are sharing the key with is trustworthy enough to be granted access. Maybe a feature of premium that allows you to share the same tier access that you have with 5 trustees.

It wouldn't mean fewer points of failure, but it could help in terms of people being able to share with those who can't afford a premium membership or are new or just getting back into the DN and haven't had the time to build a reputation yet.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
Clearnet sites being DoS'd is mostly a thing of the past if using a CDN. The clearnet site won't be going down any time soon. As long as you are using Tor and have JS disabled, you aren't really leaking anything when accessing over clearnet. That is down to your own OpSec and is covered by the most basic practices of it. There are other concerns to take into account, but we do everything to reduce risk. It is just a fallback, once we have mirror rotation in place for both Dread and Daunt, clearnet usage won't be necessary at all.

Users could share their authentication keys, but if it reached an attacker, that means that you would have your auth key permissions disabled if it was found to be in use to poll addresses for an attack.

Low level tiers won't generally require much reputation, which is why it will work well and again, an attacker breaching this won't do much if any harm.
/u/newbieforever2018 P
3 points
2 years ago
What a fantastic concept. Thank you!
/u/AngieJ P
3 points
2 years ago
You're awesome. This is great.
/u/defnotaN00b
3 points
2 years ago
glad there isnt any i2p link from what i saw, bc i dont trust that network one bit
/u/customized_tree
2 points
2 years ago
cool concept but now I'm commenting just for the sake to get more links, Idk if that's intended but whatever I don't care.
I hate some of the captcha images tho, like how am I supposed to know what direction I have to put an image of the sky (not of clouds, of the blue sky)?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
They are imported from Google's recaptcha, they won't always be easy to solve, some guess work involved. Its the best I can do for now, the captcha is secure and prevents the previous issues we experienced of the site getting completely bombed with spam.
/u/neojammin
2 points
2 years ago
HUGBUNTER IS A LEGEND THANKS FOR KEEPING THIS ALIVE
/u/Hourglass P
1 points
2 years ago
This is gonna be VERY useful to noobs, from now on. It's much easier for them to get valid links. Thank you for all this hard work :)
This should be included in the DNB in my opinion
/u/Shakybeats M
5 points
2 years ago
It is in the next update. I was holding off on putting it live until Daunt was officially released.

In the downtime I've had two updates pending. One was passed for final review right before we went down. It's live on the offline edition, but not on the onion. Then kilos exit scammed so they needed to be pulled from it. I'll have it all caught up once things settle down.
/u/Palms
1 points
2 years ago
Seconded on the DNB thought!
/u/WildcatUK33
1 points
2 years ago
I whole-heartedly agree. I just started out here 3 months ago and daunt has been an amazing tool that really solved an issue that was driving me away from these communities. Thank you!
/u/psydroid
1 points
2 years ago
Very cool & thank you!
/u/Dop3yB3tch
1 points
2 years ago
Ahhhhh~ So good to be back, and what shiny improvements you have there <3
/u/TwelveAngelz
1 points
2 years ago
Amazing ideas implimented well, legends.
/u/Xansexual_Maniac
1 points
2 years ago
How exactly will this fix Ddosing? I was only able to gain access to dread once Bohemia put one of their private links up. Also when will i2p be back up>? ilysm
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
It fixes it for markets, get your Auth key from your Dread account while you can access.

It would work for Dread too, but we don't have the mirror rotation in place on Daunt yet.
/u/SwoopyBoiz
2 points
2 years ago*
Clearnet Daunt, Cloudflare, and Javascript.

MIT risk?

Kiwifarms. How is Daunt not in the firing line of the Digital Services Act?

To decentralize the internet we use Tor.
To fight DDOS we revert to centralised service.

Drug advertisement revenue generated through a NYSE listed company?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
No JS is in use and its a link directory, nothing more, as is any other clearnet directory. The clearnet is a fall back and only for use in emergency cases, as mentioned. The onion is there to use and steps were taken to avoid anything identifiable when using auth keys through the clearnet gateway.
/u/SwoopyBoiz
1 points
2 years ago*
Observed similar market cleanet link aggregators. Under high request load, Cloudflare appears to deploy a javascript based captcha. Which does not function if turned off.

Is that 'optional' or up to Cloudflare's discretion at the time.

Whilst the onion is there to use. It's currently down. Hence the Qs

If it were an emergency. And everyone flooded to clearnet link. Cloudflare said java captcha please.

Not a concern?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago*
Optional, you have to apply the higher protection level and the onion is working on my end.

Edit: Scratch that, it is down. Seems the Tor processes crashed from the attack, will get it up and running again shortly.
/u/SwoopyBoiz
1 points
2 years ago*
All gravy then 😊

dauntdata results onionsite not found on my end.

Thanks for clarifying and the hard work.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
Yeah its dead, working on it!
/u/SwoopyBoiz
1 points
2 years ago
Positives. Dread is online!

Rest is a bonus.
/u/Dreadsticals
1 points
2 years ago
Is there a warning to only use the clearnet address over tor?
/u/Redfoot
1 points
2 years ago
One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

This is game changer. Good Job!
/u/Playboi-Carti
1 points
2 years ago
Crazy glazing.
/u/MacStoffel
1 points
2 years ago
Wow, nice job! Thank You
/u/clockwerk
1 points
2 years ago
Brilliant!
And i always fancy The idea Of a earned Status DN wide, To help buyers Know who They are dealing With.
Like a blue Check mark on IG/etc..
Also gives new Vendors incentive To build and Maintain That good Rep that We strive to Build.
/u/darkdrac
1 points
2 years ago
Interesting idea, it will make it harder to launch an attack. It is good to have dread back.
/u/Chrysalis99 P
1 points
2 years ago
You guys accomplished so much. What an effort! Thanks and Cheers...
/u/CensoredX
1 points
2 years ago
I think there are better ways to fight the DDoS'ers
I say let him/her have a mirror, 2, 10, 50.

We at 3Dogs used different approach to handling such scenarios.
It will be difficult to explain in a comment here but i will try to explain.

Using Automation, Dockerize the service, automate the onion generating, distributing the app across multiple instances using internal netowrk (VPC)
We have a mirror page which have for example 50 mirror and lets say 10 main mirrors (gateway, captcha only)
Also the system automates checking the onions if a mirror not responding or timeout after X sec/min it will stop that container and starts it again with new mirror, then sign it and adds it automatically to mirror list(signed)

The database structure is also different, its not ur "Average market database".
We are using sharding, means multiple databases distributed across multiple servers, if one gets down it will not affect the system, the user will just have to refresh the page or get new tor connection.

I will write a detailed post soon explaining this approach in details.

Also I am open to any questions regarding this
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
2 years ago
This is exactly what every market is doing with their mirror rotation, Daunt is used to serve these mirrors. It is a vessel for private sharing so links last. This is also how it will serve Dread once we have mirror rotation running.
/u/Manfred
1 points
2 years ago
This is great, thanks for all your hard work!
/u/dontlaugh
1 points
2 years ago
hi mate. love it.

can i just ask a couple of Q's

the key generated from dread, i understand that it contains rounded user stats as per the message when generated.

1. is it possible to identify an account if it is an outlier, or say narrow it down to a certain pool of accounts based on the high volume of posts,comments or score?
2. is this info passed in any way to the markets or service providers or does it simply unlock the links?

thanks - dl
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
Every value is rounded to the nearest 10 (I think), so it will put you into a certain pool of users which narrows it down minorly, however, we did consider this for accounts with extreme stats and capped it to make the top level group into a larger overall pool.

The info is not passed to anyone, the Daunt server decrypts the rounded values and the only actual identifier is the PGP fingerprint from your Dread account. This is SEPARATELY encrypted inside the key. The Daunt onion server can decrypt this so that service owners can manage their page. The clearnet server does not have the decryption key for this, it is not a proxy to the onion server, it is a standalone clone of the application minus the decryption key and simply syncs the mirror and tier data from the onion.

So realistically the fingerprint and the key itself which is of course stored against your account on Dread already, are the identifiers.
/u/dontlaugh
1 points
2 years ago
that's fantastic to hear - thanks for clarifying this for me. appreciate it a lot.
/u/REDMONEY2
1 points
2 years ago
thank u all so much for the hard work good to be back home
/u/ace8675309
1 points
2 years ago
Brilliant stuff, thank you for all that you. Glad to have Dread back!
/u/QuickieFlippie
1 points
2 years ago
Very cool. I like it I like it a lot
/u/jcrt09xx
1 points
2 years ago
Tested it out and everything is smooth :)
We need mitigation, we getting some mitigation
This be a W. Thank you HB and team.
/u/yamamoto
1 points
2 years ago
https://xkcd.com/927/

Replace "standard" with "URL lists"
/u/miner21 P
1 points
2 years ago
Got it bookmarked!!
/u/eagle_landing
1 points
2 years ago
Thank you for putting into work!!
/u/jethro23
1 points
2 years ago
This is a great new addition to the DN scene. Hug you and your team really do put in a lot of effort and make great ideas happen. Make the darknet great again 2023
/u/yurakuwanderer
1 points
2 years ago
Just wanted to let you know the onion link for daunt is currently offline.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
Yup its being DoS'd
/u/teamdaydream
1 points
2 years ago
Lol but i don't think they have been able to fuck with the daunt.link page. Even if the onion dies the other lives!
/u/plkqcs
1 points
2 years ago
Real creative development. Very cool concept. It should big help to keep traffic flowing when the markets are under attack. Thank you
/u/NumBahWon
1 points
2 years ago
Just made an account. After going to account, I do not see a code generator option/link.
/u/REDMONEY2
1 points
2 years ago
thank u for this this is great
/u/REDMONEY2
1 points
2 years ago
is the tor link down? Onionsite Not Found

The most likely cause is that the onionsite is offline. Contact the onionsite administrator.

Details: 0xF0 — The requested onion service descriptor can't be found on the hashring and therefore the service is not reachable by the client. http://dauntdatakit2xi4usevwp3pajyppsgsrbzkfqyrp6ufsdwrnm6g5tqd.onion/
/u/Shakybeats M
1 points
2 years ago
Yes it is down. You can visit the clearnet side still
/u/REDMONEY2
1 points
2 years ago
ok thank u
/u/horsesex
1 points
2 years ago
fuckin fbi can't even keep a silly website down. talk about a fucking waste of oxygen
/u/kingkendrick24
1 points
2 years ago
What a game changer!!!! Can't thank you enough for this, incredible work!
/u/whataname
1 points
2 years ago
Amazing idea, thank you! We shall prevail :)
/u/GothicCastle
1 points
2 years ago
It feels good to be back. I am very excited for the future of the dread and DNM.
/u/dnmirc
1 points
2 years ago
Hi /u/Paris
Can you please add us (DNMirc) to the link DIR I find it unfair you list the CIA but not us :( Also please view our post about the Kilos exit scam, if you have any personal questions related to it please PM me.

Thank you,
DNMirc Team.
/u/Paris A
1 points
2 years ago
If you want to be added just follow this: /post/790c50b29b701f7c5fca
/u/dnmirc
1 points
2 years ago
Alright.
/u/bruh1234550
1 points
2 years ago
Hey guys, fantastic work! I genuinely get a feeling that this is a directory I can trust. I'm not sure where I can put feedback, so I'll just say here that when accessing on mobile, the buttons for shops and other themselves don't move down, just the box and text.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
2 years ago
Didn't really consider mobile because no one should really even be using cell phones to browse, will fix in the near future though
/u/bruh1234550
1 points
2 years ago
Yeah, I don't do it regularly but I've got a locked down phone for any time I'm away from laptop lol
/u/real_dystopia_dev
1 points
2 years ago
Mobile Tor Browser bad huh?
/u/Thaddeus
1 points
2 years ago
I have been gone for a while but am lucky to still find this alive thanks for working hard
/u/bigperson0cherry
1 points
2 years ago
Thank you! This is going to make links much more accessible, which is part of the reason I left the darknet in the first place!
/u/partytime
1 points
2 years ago
Thank you for this! I was able to get onto the clearnet link today and get a market link without having to go through a lot of hoops. Greatly appreciated!
/u/CannaMeds
1 points
2 years ago
Eventually Daunt will also be DDOSed, but perhaps building on this concept could provide an eventual solution. A better idea might be to publish the onion mirrors to the Bitcoin blockchain encrypted for each user's key. Then the user does not need to check daunt to get access to the rotating mirrors, but can just get them from the Bitcoin blockchain, which can bypass the DDOS.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
2 years ago
It was DoS'd 10 minutes after launch, the clearnet site will always be reachable as a fallback and is the reason this concept can and is working. There will also be the alternative of accessing over I2P shortly.
/u/smh
1 points
2 years ago
Very cool idea.
When will Dread start serving private links through Daunt?
/u/2ceebee
1 points
2 years ago
Would also like to know this?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
2 years ago
/u/smh Whenever we can, its a possibility now that we can stabilize the main link for good so we're putting some focus on that tonight. If all else fails we'll get rotation live as quickly as we can.
/u/Palms
1 points
2 years ago
Wow this is absolutely incredible what a great idea, thanks for doing something like this Hug nobody takes you for granted.
/u/FractalToad
1 points
2 years ago
Great project! but is it just me that the onion link never worked for?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
2 years ago
It has been under constant attack, for now the clearnet mirror is available for Daunt.
/u/thebankster
1 points
2 years ago
great concept
/u/funkyfred
1 points
2 years ago
Hey /u/HugBunter, Daunt is a game changer congrats on it. Hard work pays off!

Can I ask, once the TOR devs fix / implement the required protocol updates so DDOS' are no more, will this effect how Daunt and also Dread are run?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago
Not really, the authentication on Daunt will likely be disabled as it will not be necessary. It could be re-purposed for private access to beta testing of services in the future however.
/u/jaatsahab
1 points
2 years ago
thanks so much for this :) you are great
/u/killswitch
1 points
2 years ago
You are seriously an absolute genius HB, thank you for your dedication to keeping the DN alive!
/u/PelicanVendor
1 points
2 years ago
I AM BACK! Sorry no one old me we were back online. Was hanging out on the hub it was still pretty dead there.. also it's down now?
/u/taxidriver
1 points
2 years ago
See ya later, copper!
/u/Gianna
1 points
2 years ago
last couple of quartes have been insane I was not able to get in setting up I2P now
/u/Lanahum
1 points
2 years ago
Great idea
Thank
/u/prince97
1 points
2 years ago
Why are you forcing all links through this shady service? My forum Envoy is fine DDoS wise, you still want to force me to use that shit, why?

It's not like that "daunt anti-ddos" is even online anyway lol
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
2 years ago*
Shady? Are you lost? You launched a forum using the name of a known past forum and you say its based around cyber security, yet it loads assets over the clearnet.

You aren't being forced to use anything. The forum would not be eligible for standard listing for a long time until you establish yourself and fix the clearnet asset loading if you haven't already (I saw this issue when you made your first announcement on Reddit).

The authentication methods are only available to established services who are being DoS'd, which I doubt would occur for you at this time, if it does it will be a low level attacker.
/u/prince97
1 points
2 years ago*
Yeah that was already fixed

Low level attacker huh? Big words from someone who can't keep their "anti-ddos" onion site up
/u/psyfactory
1 points
2 years ago
Absolutely amazing👍
/u/HAZETIME
1 points
2 years ago
nice work i will use it
/u/skylinesales
1 points
2 years ago
Thanks bro been forever, feels good to be back
/u/AvgDread
1 points
2 years ago
how does one gain more access to more links?
/u/spleef
1 points
2 years ago
Absolutely incredible work; this is quite a genius concept. Necessity truly is the mother of invention :)
/u/TRDevlin
1 points
2 years ago
Happy to see progress on access issues!
/u/Fuck_GDPR
1 points
2 years ago
keep up the good good bruh!
/u/K4PSUL3
1 points
2 years ago
since the begining the ARCHETYP link is arche237r4mga5dxdnxesw3wjm3oxacn32crx24zqlovzdscwjul65id.onion

it has never been up to date
it's an old link and it will never work
what's the point?

at least change it for https://archetyp.cc/
it will be helpfull and far better than an old not working link
/u/moondog435
1 points
2 years ago
Where can I find my auth key after the login?