most of the major brands have been forced for legal reasons to remove the tia from their formulas (zaza, etc no longer actually have any tia in them). neptune's fix i don't even think is around anymore due to legal issues.
it's not worth it anyway, feels great the first time then does absolutely nothing except (in a relatively short time) make you feel like shit a few hours later. i still have half a bottle of that shit squirreled away somewhere but gave up on it bc i didn't like puking my guts out if i didn't pop more several times a day. the first time DID feel amazing, but rest assured, you will not be able to repeat the experience
I used to buy it frequently. It worked pretty well the first few times but seemed to lose efficacy. Had to use more and more etc etc. I think its worth a try. Be careful though
if you're gonna go with legal shit you can buy at your local smoke shop, 7oh is much better - similar energetic/uplifting high, much slower to build tolerance, longer halflife. just make sure you get a legit brand as there is a lot of dogshit out there (testmykratom.org will give you some idea of what you're dealing with). if you are still curious about tia i've heard the sulfate form is less fiendish than the sodium but have never had the opportunity to try it, i believe it can still be ordered on some clearnet sites though with all the "omfg gas station heroin" moral panic it's not as widely available as it used to be. i suspect the banhammer is coming for 7oh soon so i have a retardedly large stockpile thereof. still, being able to buy it on the clearnet (or at an extreme markup in your local degenerate hive) is a huge advantage over most of these sketchball dope vendors who can't be arsed to ship a pack in under a week or maintain consistent stock/quality levels (i recognize due to the nature of the product this inconsistency is beyond a lot of their control, but seriously, it's not hard to ship packs multiple times per week even if you have a "real" job you have to show up at, & it's actually better for your opsec to ship frequently as opposed to dumping a million packs at once, even if you think you're being cute driving a few blocks to the next blue box etc etc)
I tried lots of 7oh and different brands, powders, extracts, pills. Just like kratom I have never felt anything. From just 10mg even taking up to 300mg. I feel literally nothing from any kratom or 7oh substances. I tried 7oh everyday for a month to see if it needed to ramp up in my system. Didn't even have a lick of withdrawal. I think theres some about kratom that doesn't work for me. Maybe cuz its a partial agonist? Idk. I've tried soooooooo many brands. Shit people swear by, shit on the testmykratom, I just don't have the receptors for it I guess, or I don't process it at all. The only effect I ever had was my eyes would be wiggly from drinking over an ounce of kratom at once. But thats it. Oh and real big poops when I drank an ounce. And this was from a very reputable online kratom shop. 7oh even at 300mg didn't do anything at all.
I really doubt I'll try tianeptine. I just was curious about it since I usually know all the dumb gas station drugs. But this was something I had never heard of. Sounds kind of shitty and fiendy from research like you said. And that sulfate is longer lasting and less crackish.
That was always my exact same experience with kratom as well. But I never have tried it without already having a heavy opioid tolerance so I always assumed that was why.
I tried it a bunch of times without a tolerance and it's always been the same to me. I also thought that when I first ever tried kratom when I was in withdrawal. Didn't help my withdrawal at all. I have since tried all types of kratom and 7oh under the sun and it just doesn't seem to do anything to me, at least pleasurable or noticeable unless I eat a whole brick of it and then its just wiggly eyes and big poops. No euphoria, no mood lift, doesn't help my withdrawals. I always thought everyone was lying lol. But I guess some of us just can't get anything from kratom
interesting, yeah it sounds like you lack some kind of receptor or processing pathway for it esp if you didn't feel shitty after stopping with a month of use. it would be the same pathway that's not activating in kratom & 7oh, bc kratom is metabolized into 7oh in the body which is responsible for the opioid-like effects (not the wobbles, notably - seems like that pathway for you is working just fine, ugh i hate that shit). are there any "traditional" opioids you don't get any feeling from? odsmt? or nontraditional ones like tramadol that also work on the serotonin pathway?
Tramadol I got as a prescription once and it made me pretty nauseous, def not high. Not even sure if it worked for the pain. I ended up giving them all to an addict friend of mine and he ate them all at once.
Both SR's have worked for me though, so I have no fucking clue. SR-14 actually got me sort of high. SR-17 worked for withdrawal like magic but never felt much anything besides no withdrawal. Tried it a couple times when I had some left after my last hardcore opiate run and tried it with 0 tolerance.
sounds like an issue with the serotonin pathway then. do you take SSRIs or other psych meds? (also curious how much Sr14 you were taking, i found the duration of action was much longer than 17 but didn't get an appreciable tolerance decrease or any sort of high - just felt sort of normal, which don't get me wrong was great for something you only have to take every 36-48 hours)
Nah not on any psych meds. SSRI's always gave me insane nightmares. Stopped after like 5 days, couldn't take it
Ya SR-14 didn't give me any tolerance decrease. I took about the same at SR-17. Like 50mg ish. I'm not saying it was like a super amazing high. Def made me sleepy and a tiny bit nody
I've never had drugs just not work before besides kratom. MDMA, acid, meth, coke, crack, pcp, real opiates, benzos, mushrooms, dmt and all the RC's I've ever tried, literally everything works great. But Kratom and 7oh though. I had 20 grams of 7oh at one point. Went through it all in a month. Nothing. Gave up after that one
Edit: Just thought of another drug that doesn't seem to ever do anything is muscle relaxers. I hear people say Soma's/Carisprodol gets them high but it's never done anything to me.
Tramadol is one of the bastard drugs out there that only 20-30% of the population can metabolize effectively. True of both humans and dogs - it was a popular veterinary med for awhile until they figured out it either worked great or did nothing whatsoever for dogs, and no way to know unless tried -- same with humans, though they just say you're lying when you tell them it doesn't help.
It doesn't do squadoo for me, though I do seem to respond to O-DSMT (can't prove that until I try it on its own, but BarbaraWhite's presses using it in combo with desomorphine are effective at treating pain for me whereas other folk have reported unpleasant or ineffective results, and they definitely have a different feel than typical opioids).
Kratom for me is similar; I've never gotten any kind of 'high' from it, some mild pain relief maybe, but it does control WD symptoms quite well when I'm taking a tolerance break. Soma was a great muscle relaxer for me but no opioid-like effect; same with Lyrica.
It's all in one's metabolism and genetic luck, seems.
is this related to kratom/kratom extracts?
I have heard that some brands will mix 7oh and tianeptine though.
Goes by weird brands like "ZAZA" but it's not weed obviously or kratom
It's not banned in all the states. I randomly saw someone taking it on instagram lol. Got me interested just to see what it was.
back in my day they sold ephedrine in the gas stations as minithins.
Theres the "pegasus" series which is black silver and i think eithe red or gold? But thats the ones that mix 7oh and other shit in them
Ones just plain, ones tianeptine and kava, and the other is either 7oh or something else I can't remember right now
it's not worth it anyway, feels great the first time then does absolutely nothing except (in a relatively short time) make you feel like shit a few hours later. i still have half a bottle of that shit squirreled away somewhere but gave up on it bc i didn't like puking my guts out if i didn't pop more several times a day. the first time DID feel amazing, but rest assured, you will not be able to repeat the experience