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These markets really need to just stop allowing fent ffs that shit carries a radioactive target on its back and its not worth it just to have that corner of the market online imo
"But it's a free market!"
Really? Yet guns, slaves etc aren't allowed. Get fucking real. By allowing fent on marketplaces we just allow further risk.
Every single marketplace to exist has had fentanyl sold on it. Whether it be labeled "30mg oxycodone" or "F1000 pure fentanyl powder" or whether the market administrators know or knew fent is or was being sold on the market or not, is irrelevant. They are charged just the same.
At the end of the day, a store front that is allowing or facilitating the sale of any illegal items or substances WILL become a target of the authorities. LE's goal is always to take down the "biggest" or "largest" markets because it looks good on them, it sounds good and generally it produces the biggest return on investment / crypto / assets seizures.
It was Archetyp today and the next "biggest market" tomorrow. Whether the next market allows the sales of weapons or fentanyl is truly irrelevant / LE is coming for them just the same.
I will acknowledge market admins banning the sale of certain items *may* help them with their defense strategy when they inevitably go to trial that doesn't mean the jury nor judge will be anymore lenient on them when it comes to the verdicts or sentencing.
Agreed.But a market openly selling and promoting and selling fentanyl will be the target for LEA,Also when caught they might put all the fent deaths on the market admins head.
I've said this a couple times already but i'll say it again. The crack epidemic of the 80's and 90's has so many similarities between crack back then and fentanyl today.
At the time, cocaine was socially acceptable in a lot of circles and the punishment for getting caught with small / personal amounts was relatively lenient but the moment you changed that same drug into crack, it was 1000x more potent and deadly and the punishment for possesing it or having it was 5x-10x more harsh than having the same drug, just powdered and look at how that turned out. Not a single thing changed other than millions of people were incarcerated at a huge expense to tax payers. Not to mention the "war on drugs" we financed and Crack is still alive and doing well today.
It's just a government PSYOP and fentanyl is the scapegoat to continue this ridiculous drug war. Whether markets allow fentanyl or not is really irrelevant. Admins will continued to be hunted down. All in the name of public safety, even though the current system in place has been the safest to get drugs within the last 20 years but it is what it is.
All i can really stress is you don't hate LE enough.
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Of course LE is going to continue coming after markets and vendors, but they have upped the game against fentanyl specifically and are using counterterrorism level funding for it, and the public supports it.
Ever ask yourself why no main market allows CSAM? Nuclear secrets? Wonder why more don't allow firearms? It's because certain things are higher on their list and they will bring the fucking hammer down on anyone who touches it and the public will support any measure against them. Rightfully so with some of it imo.
Back in the 80's and 90's they treated Crack cocaine the same exact way as they are fentanyl today. If you had cocaine back then that was fine and even socially acceptable in some circles but the moment you turned that same coke into crack it was 1000x more potent, deadly and more "devastating" than just regular "cocaine". The punishment was also enhanced 5-10x. LE used that as an excuse to mass incarcerate and hand down ridiculous prison sentences, in the name of public safety for a public they never gave a single fuck about.
I think it's just another way for LE to sway the public's perception as the "war on drugs" is a good thing that saves lives and it isn't. It's just more government propaganda to continue the status quo.
But it is what it is. I don't care to argue about it on dread. Only wanted to say whether a market admin decides to ban the sale of fentanyl or not is irrelevant. Admins / Markets will continue to be charged just the same whether they allowed the sale of fent or not because it is happening on every single market and will continue to as long as markets exist.
Sure if someone that has never taken an opiate before in their life buys a pressed fent pill stamped "15" on one side and "M" on the other, there is a very good chance they will overdose but that is no different than if someone with no tolerance tries H for the first time.
People on suboxone or methadone maintenance or are in active opiate addiction, they have a far less liklihood of Oding or dying because they have HUGE tolerances. For a lot of users their tolerances have gotten so high it takes 2-3 grams of fentanyl per day just to keep them "well"
In the early days the issue was, teenagers were buying fent pressed pills stamped as oxy 15 or oxy 30's, they either didn't know or were not aware the pill they were about to consume was in fact fentanyl and as a result would OD but today that isn't near as common. Although it does still happen.
People that consume opiates on a regular basis develop rapid tolerances to the point eventually it takes grams and grams of fentanyl to just feel normal.
I am not hear to take away from the destruction all drugs cause in the vast majority of users / peoples lives. All i am saying is this narrative that fentanyl is evil and poison is flat out wrong and misguided. Fentanyl is the number one pain reliever hospitals give today. It is very effective and can be safe, so long as it as advertised as such and doesn't fall into the hands of a opiate naive person or teenager looking to get high for the first time and ends up getting fent pressed oxy or roxi 15's or 30's.
Again i am not here to argue with you about the facts. I would just like to point out markets like Archetyp made it a lot safer for new users looking to try opiates for their first time rather than markets that "ban the sale". It gives users this false sense of security that the Oxycodone they are buying is real and not fent pressed and that couldnt be farther from the truth.
That said hospitals use real fentanyl. Not one of the 28 analogues made in a tub in mexico.
The one thing markets SHOULD ban is allowing fentanyl to be sold as anything else other than FENTANYL. They should ban "pressed Roxy 15's & 30's" or H labeled as "China white", so the person buying knows exactly what it is they are buying.
/u/jsouthto1 you've been hooked on fent before? i highly doubt it by the way you talk about it. also, people who are addicted to fentanyl are lifelong addicts, they don't refer to it like you just did. "ive been hooked on fentanyl before"
you sound like you're full of shit. i'm hooked on fentanyl and have been for 7 years, people who do fentanyl measure there dosage in grams, because dealers cut it. even from the dark web its only 5% fentanyl if you're lucky. i buy 2 grams of fentanyl a day. so you clearly don't know what your talking about, pretending to be a addict is fucked up.
if you were really a addict you'd know that fentanyl is sold in grams, just like anything else. its just cut. its also like that everywhere, i've lived in 3 states and all my local dealers sell by the gram. and so did Archetyp vendors. no addict says "i need 100 micrograms" to there dealer lmao. you just sound like someone who knows nothing about doing fentanyl, but want to speak to the dangers of it. the real danger is people not knowing what there getting. if fentanyl isn't allowed on markets, they will still be sold in pressed m30s. i just found several listings on Abacus for pressed M30s. and those are what kill teenagers, who don't know its fentanyl. there's lot less deaths related to sales of fentanyl when the user knows that's what there buying, because anyone buying fentanyl has a stupid high tolerance.
Actually, I didn't know a single other person doing fent back then, and I never had a dealer other than the two that I used on the dw, and both offered the saline bottle sprays with the dosages per spray measured in micrograms per spray. This was a new thing in 2015-2016, when I could no longer get the real OP's and the M30's were starting to become bullshit too.
Sorry you are a pussy and couldn't figure your shit out. Calling me out for not knowing what I'm talking about is pretty ironic since every assumption you made was wrong.
a real addict would never call someone a "pussy" because they cant get clean. why are you trying to be a wannabe Ex-addict? lol
stop talking on it like you TRULY lived it, you clearly werent a full blown addict.
when you said "Sorry you are a pussy and couldn't figure your shit out." i know thats nothing an addict will say, maybe you said it cause you were mad which i understand. and from you're latest comment i take back you never bring an addict. i apolagize.
when you said "Sorry you are a pussy and couldn't figure your shit out." i know that's nothing an addict will say, maybe you said it cause you were mad which i understand. and from you're latest comment i take back you never bring an addict. i apologize.
As the war on drugs has shown (And the Iron Law of Prohibition) there will always be drugs available. By being able to obtain 99% pure of fentanyl, consistently, I was able to do it safely. Will there still be idiots who get it and don't know what they're doing and hurt themselves and/or others? Of course. But I guarantee it's far, far less than is currently happening. And yes, it was 99.5%. I saw the lab test results and trust me I was hoping it came back 0% that time...
/u/jsoutho1 There are a LOT of different fentanyl analogues with varying half lives. Who are you to say who needs, or gets to, buy what drugs? What's important is informed consent. People have a right to decide what goes into their body and dealers have a responsibility to accurately represent their products. I have no idea why you would be scared of the drug if you were buying it in pure form and volumetric dosing it. It was the safest way I've ever consumed opioids, except for the 95%+ pure #4 from SEA. Volumetric dosing + already info on the chemical on the internet = slim chance of fucking up if you're not an idiot about it.
Now the Benzimidazole opioids? I volumetric dosed those aswell, but THOSE scare me. I used N-Desethyl-Isotonitazene for under 20 days and was sick as fuck for a week. I've never experienced such horrible withdrawals from such a small period of use. Compound that with it's extremely high binding affinity, lack of hardly any info on the internet, and being 20-50x the potency of Fentanyl (Or more, or less, depending on which Zene you get) and I can already see the deaths it's going to cause, because they're already in the M30 supply. Plenty don't test for fentanyl anymore. Eventually the majority will be Zenes, as the Iron Law of Prohibition says and has yet to be wrong.
Also the China White from TheGoldenTriangle coming out of SEA is active for an opioid naive person at 5mg. Opioid Naive people shouldn't be doing Pure #4, Fentanyl, Benzimidazoles, or any pills not obtained via a confirmed prescription. They should get ODSMT or fucking kratom or something.
/u/Tre I totally agree. If Fentanyl is being sold in pressed pills or as "China White" (Which it should NEVER be allowed to be called because China White is already a fucking thing. It should be advertised as a Fentanyl mixture) then it should be required to state the exact dosage of fentanyl in every pill, or what the ratio of the mixture is. If they can't reliably say then they shouldnt be able able to sell it.
Unfortunately it is a fact that the feds pursue markets with Fentanyl allowed more heavily, though. I believe it was the DEA that said in a memo that X market (Forget which one) banned the sale of Fentanyl so it might be safer in the long run to focus less resources on going after the site. Honestly, if it protects the admins then I can't blame them for banning it, but Zenes are such a bigger threat than Fentanyl ever was or will be for multiple reasons and I haven't seen anywhere ban that. Not that they should. Prohibition has proven time and time and time and time and fucking time again that banning a drug does more damage than good.
There's my 0.03, I threw in an extra for ya mothafuckas
Don't talk about it like you've lived it. cause some of us actually have....
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The war on fentanyl today reminds me a lot of the war on crack back in the 80's and 90's. Cocaine was socially acceptable at the time but the moment you turned that same blow into crack it was considered 1000x more potent and dangerous than just regular cocaine. LE has made fentanyl are priority but as i've mentioned already every market that exist today is just as guilty of selling it as Archetyp was.
I also agree weapons, CSAM, Nuclear secrets and forms of non consensual pornography / CP do make markets bigger targets and they should continue to not allow items or services such as those but fentanyl should not continue to be placed into those taboo categories. I hear your argument that it brings more heat to markets all i am saying is, unless it is a cannabis market only LE will always treat drug markets as if they are public enemy number 1. With or without fent.
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Did you not see the reports from how Trump was using the White house pharmacy during his first term? Several people there had drug habits that would make some of the harder users here blush. Like with all dictators, the idea is to keep it all for him and his buddies. Just like Kim Jung Un and food.
But I'm not as deranged as fuckers like you that pretend he's some sort of God, without any flaws.
The guy has plenty of flaws, and by pretending he doesn't, you make a fool of yourself.
Dumb fuck.
I voted for Trump the first term too, but I actually paid attention and realized how short he fell of his promises, and I'm just not such a follower to construct an alternate reality in my head where there's an excuse for *everything* he does no matter how vindictive, stupid, or extreme. That doesn't mean I necessarily think his term will for sure be the "end of democracy in the U.S" or anything as the people who actually have the type of TDS your talking about do, but I don't have the type you clearly have either where every critique of him is dismissed with that irrelevant insult.
I think you can find plenty of people who are super pro drugs and will happily use Fent who have a drastically worse history at some point with Fent.
Are the cops doing scum cop shit flopping around from touching it? For sure, is it a tool to up the profile and cause disproportionate panic? Absolutely.
Still I think it is an objective fact that if you can run a market without selling Fent, and proactively doing so that is strictly a net positive. It is politically toxic and unlike weed and heroin, it earned some of that reputation. People ARE often dumb, often over confidant, and Fent punishes that more than anything except that random opiod that was stronger at tinier doses but I don't think it took off.
Like it wouldn't shock anyone if over the last 5 years Arch was running there were direct deaths from vendor to customer and I'd bve shocked if some dumbass didn't step on their H with fent and kill a few people. That shit galvanizes people and makes the abstract and somewhat whimsical drugs in the mail a much scarier/real thing for politicians/parents/etc. We got past the days of weed, LSD, and even opiates being "ultra dangerous" but Fent did seem to bring that shit back into the limelight.
Also doesn't Aba not allow fent?
Fentanyl: cheat code for natural selection!!
/post/807361b1e6c88e6606fa-Any and all vendors vendors selling fentanyl or any any of its other slang names will be banned!!!!!
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I am slow and mentioned Aba, thought they'd be serious about it beyond just lip service, since once m30's or white chine becomes synonomys with trojan fent and some young people dying it will be worse than if Aba didn't have anything but the occasionally loudly banned vendor who cut something (hopefully oral admin drug) with fent, or better yet used escrow to disencentive people from selling fent with a test positive = funds lost (or something).
EDIT: bunch of vendors have M30 in the titkle with nobody finding Fent, could be that other N name but seems unlikely, with the huge sales that some of them have. Think it's unfair to paint it as an equivalent wild west of hidden fent. listing/fcbbd5752f3db66d49261b64
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Now it's just needlessly toxic and it earned a chunk of that toxic rep along with the cops acting like fools and flopping when they touch it. Aba has the right idea, keep that politically and idealistically toxic stuff off the site. People don't panic about weed, or LSD, or Coke, or H. So drugs in the mail isn't the end of days but when it's fent there's so much ammo. I don't follow the news but it is easy to think dealers stepped on product with fent and killed several people, and/or a few ignorant people used a proper or gram scale and fucked their shot and died. That is worth so much to these cops as ammo.
But I suppose experiences differ.
H allows to actually have good time awake, or even Oxy.
There's a big reason why some communities that only allow things such as psychedelics and marijuana to be sold stay alive the longest.
I wont hide that I personally hate fent and think people that abuse it are playing a lottery every day where the winnings is survival, but that's not why it shouldn't be on the DNMs. It brings risk to everyone, if you really want fent so bad then let fent vendors have their own private shops and watch how frequently those specifically get targeted by LE over anything else. You tout a principle of freedom but that wont do you much good if you get locked up in a targeted sweep and branded a public health crisis because youre peddling fent. And another free lesson, stop acting like you have absolute principles unless youre willing to back that up, if you were running a market i guarantee there are things like CSAM or others that even a retarded baby bottle would recognize as an invitation for every fed agency to make you a target.
Disallowing fentanyl is not "complying with law enforcement demands," stupid junkie. Fentanyl is a trashy drug and all these pressies that have fetty in them only add more pressure on LE and from the straight-edge public to get a grip on markets. With authoritarians in place like Trump, soon enough the mail system will be useless, and then we won't have any markets to use at all. Bye bye "you need a warrant to open domestic packages," bye bye. How far are they from using newer technology to flag any and all drug packs? Have mylar in it? Flag. Flag. Flag.
Your argument is trash. By your logic, we should start allowing child porn on our drug markets. Is that what you want, junkie pedo?
The best markets don't allow certain substances and items -- such as fentanyl and their analogs, guns, and child porn. There's a middle way. Stick with it. If you become to radicalized then so will law enforcement. Right now, as it has been since Silk Road and beyond, it's been a game of whack-a-mole. All markets eventually parish via seizure or exit scamming. There was one market called Black Market Reloaded that nearly exit scammed -- people thought they were fucked, but within a few weeks the owner created a system to release all bitcoin to those who had their funds still tied up. We need more of that kind of shit.
Disallow fentanyl. Fentanyl is trash. It does nothing good for you. It doesn't feel good. If it feels good, it's because it's mixed with an opiod that actually gives euphoria. There is no euphoria from fentanyl. If there is, and it's not mixed, it's most likely relief from numbing out -- not having anxiety or stress. Stop defending such a shitty drug. I can see exceptions for it like for chronic/terminal patients who for whatever reason do not have access to proper pain medications, but alternatives to that such as methadone exist.
Law enforcement LOVE fentanyl busts. They love meth busts. They love the busts that actually do alarmingly high rates of harm. Ketamine? MDMA? Hash? Pfft, if it comes across them, sure, they'll take the credit -- but the feds aren't focusing on that. They want the shit that's actually killing off our population and making zombies out of them.
The idea that specific substances should be treated differently than others because they are uniquely dangerous is total bullshit, and is always rooted in ignorance as well as typically racism/classism. For example, why is heroin illegal while other opiates are medicine? Because it was associated with minority communities that the people in power wanted to keep in check. Why are we allowing this kind of ignorance to sit at the top of posts on this forum? Increasing the stigma around use of specific drugs is partly why harm reduction and treatment are so challenging with fentanyl--even when people provably OD on fentanyl, their family members insist on believing fentanyl is only consumed accidentally, further isolating people who consume powerful opioids and increasing the stigma around seeking treatment.
Why does fentanyl need to be banned, but Nitazenes can be allowed? Ignorant hysteria? As an immoral, unsafe way for market admins to possibly get lighter sentences, at the expense of the lives & health of customers who use their markets? There are no consumer-grade nitazene tests afaik, first responders often don't know how to deal with nitazene OD's, nitazenes can be many times more potent than fentanyl, & the producers of these products are less familiar with how to safely handle & dose nitazenes. Why in the world would anyone suggest that it is LESS risky to force consumers to guess whether they're consuming fent vs. nitazenes? That's insane!
You can't possibly be so ignorant as to not understand the fundamental differences between 2 different recreational opioids vs. guns or slaves, both in terms of enforceability (just in terms of shipping & delivery, USPS won't deliver slaves, and guns would be easily detected) & harm caused/clearly identifiable victims (just from the standpoint of avoiding unnecessary liability & LE scrutiny, people getting shot or sold into slavery create more challenges for market admins than people overdosing on drugs--I would argue that people overdosing on misrepresented drugs due to misguided bans--i.e. fentanyl sold as oxy/blues--creates a bigger problem than fentanyl sold as fentanyl).
So, actually, you need to get fucking real. By banning fent from marketplaces, we just create further risk for consumers, and put opioid vendors in a more morally dubious position where they are required to mis-represent their products to avoid bans. It's crazy how deeply ingrained these social stigmas have become that even people posting on Dread are villainizing specific substances!
It's good that you mentioned this!
I see Narcan being less effective against protonitazene due to its strong binding affinity to opiate receptors. This strong affinity makes it harder for Narcan to displace these drugs, with no guarantee of full displacement. (Similar issue with fentanyl)
TLDR: Strong opiate receptor binding affinity reduces Narcan's effectiveness against potent opioids like fentanyl and protonitazene.
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Legalization with Regulation:
Do you think legalizing drugs and pairing that with strict regulations could be a game-changer for public safety? What do you envision as the primary goals of this approach beyond just controlling drug use? Could this strategy genuinely improve public health and safety, reduce harm, generate tax revenue, and even reform the criminal justice system? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the potential benefits and drawbacks.
Free Market without Law Enforcement:
Now, let's consider a free market approach without any law enforcement involvement. Do you think we could self-regulate effectively in such a scenario? I believe we have the potential to self-regulate, but not at this point. What do you think we need to learn or implement to make self-regulation a reality? How can we ensure that consumers are protected and that the market remains stable and fair without some form of oversight?
To all the fent junkies how about we legalize heroin (and all drugs for that matter) so you can try some of that ol' tan/brown dope we used to get back in the 90's? Then you won't need the synthetic shit trust me. I get you don't want to be dopesick but arguing for markets to allow fentanyl is not a battle worth fighting right now.
but i get ya
idk about fent vs H. I only tried H in the 90's so thats what i'm going by and it was fucking amazing 8D
and I think sale of fent had a lot to do with how hard they went to take it down
would it still have been taken down if they banned fent? Yes probably.
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You will get as many answers as there are markets.
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