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All of these other commenters are correct, btw.

I've been a heroin addict for over 20 years. In the 20+ years I spent well over decade of them on Suboxone, denying the fact that was an opiate addict. I was actually one of the original focus group of people they did a study on here at the University along time ago when it first came out in 2003. Yeah, it works for a little while. Then it doesn't work so much and you relapse because you just want to get high. Physically, I'll say it is a miracle for withdraws, but then coming off of Suboxone is a whole new animal.... And you've got months of depression, mixed with withdraws and cravings. All the studies on Suboxone haven't taken the post effects into consideration so much as they should have.

Bouncing back-and-forth from the two is miserable, and I mentally gave up on the Suboxone because it would start to make me sick and nauseous and the taste of it was just absolutely unbearable. So much so that I started to shoot it instead. And they'll tell you, up and down, inside and out... that you can't intravenously use Suboxone. Well they're idiots, because yes you can. Quite easily actually and the amount that it takes is very very small. That goes with the strips and the pills generic or not it doesn't matter.

I think big Pharma was trying to convince doctors to prescribe the shit out of it bc it couldnt be abused. Yeah, cause that's never happened in history of drug addicts... Now like every single doctor takes a four hour course and is an expert on prescribing it. I called bullshit on all of it, from its inception and success to its more recent decline. Is efficiency is a direct result of the landscape of opiates is countering. I think it's what has a higher failure rate is because the people that are prescribing it don't know what they're doing. It's not built or designed for fentalogues... our lovely war on drugs has left us with a lot of those.

I digress I apologize. My honest advice would be, of course, get off the opiates and get on the maintenance program of Suboxone or methadone. Because our country is ran by a bunch of fucking morons who can't seem to see that maintenance addiction through opiates is sometimes the path that needs to be traveled. They give it a one-two punch of methadone maintenance, which is not practical for hardly anyone or walk in/outpatient Suboxone. And say that's going to solve all the problems. That's just benign and ignorant. Addiction is not a universal thing can be solved with a magic pill.

Good luck OP you'll be on a long road no matter which way you go in this country

If you take high doses of Bupre it lessens the high you get. If you take it as a substitution substance and want to get high you should only take a small amout like 1mg or less that day or skip it completely.

Subutex doesn't stop opiates from working completely but you will need to have much larger doses than what you would normally take. I was a heroin addict over 20 years ago. Taking about a gram a day and went on subutex via methadone. I was put on 8mg subutex a day when I reduced off methadone to 25ml a day and a few times bought heroin. The first half gram did nothing at all and I mean nothing but I kept taking it and eventually it did work.

Just be warned if you go down this path - after you finish taking your opiates you will feel rotten afterwards. Subutex is designed to make all opiates leave your body quickly and if you kept going between the two regularly you are going to really feel the side effects. I can still remember the first time I took subutex after I was supposed to stop taking methadone a few days prior. Of course I used up until I got the subutex and the feeling of all heroin and methadone leaving my body was awful.

This is just my opinion looking back in hindsight - subutex is best taken when you have made the decision to finally come off heroin, not to be used alongside heroin. Of course you will have bad days and end up using or thinking about it, temptation is around every corner but considering going on subutex and taking heroin as well occasionally will make you feel even worse.

Good luck though friend. I wish you every success.

Its a pity methadone is expensive where you are. Here in the UK where I'm from, methadone is the first choice doctors make for prescribing because it's dirt cheap here.

The naloxone in suboxone is nearly inert. BOTH Suboxone and Subutex will cause precipitated withdrawals (PWD) if taken too soon after a full agonist. DO NOT TAKE EITHER SUBSTANCE UNTIL YOU ARE IN FULL WITHDRAWAL!!! Otherwise, it will be the worst w/d you've ever experienced.

The bupe is the active drug that causes the "blocking effect", so to speak, and it has a long half-life (24 or 48hrs?). You can still break through it, but it's dangerous as it takes a larger dose, and the high will be somewhat muted while the respiratory depression will be consistant with the higher dose.

Methadone is a lot better for what you're talking about. Once you're induced on subs, and your receptors are full of bupe, it's possible to skip bupe for a couple days (max), use H/oxy/cw/etc, and then jump back on bupe without going through the w/d phase, but it's a fine line.

The "best" thing to do if you want to use maintencance and still get high, is to fully induce on subs (wait 12-24hrs if oxy or h, or 2-7 days for synthetics...the half life is CRAZY in the fent/zene scene). Get right with just subs, and get your dose down to 2mg/day (this may take a couple of weeks). At 2mg and under, it's not providing much, if any, 'blocking effect', and continue to take the bupe EVERY DAY while still getting high. This way, you still have bupe on your receptors, and can increase your bupe dose on the days that you're not getting high, while also not worrying about PWD if you want to be on bupe (much easier said than done lol)

If you take synthetics, the tough part is making the initial switch and letting your brain get regulated on just bupe. If you're on pharms or H, it's a MUCH MUCH more gentle process.

It's the Bupe prevening you to get high. However Subutex tablets provides a better experience. The taste is much milder compared to Suboxone's lemon minty flavour. Pure Buprenorphine (Subutex) can be inhaled or boofed, without the risks of adverse reactions such as skin irritation or precipitated withdrawal (this last one caused by naloxone). Saying thant, please keep in mind everyone reacts to a pharma product in its own way. Problem is that today no addiction specialist is willing to prescribe Subutex, Suboxone having become the norm (Big pharma's decision). Be safe.