Can LE send me drugs without a controlled delivery? (USA) : DarkNetMarkets

2 points

1 month ago

If they do send you a package with a tracker, you've already been caught. There is absolutely no possible way to prove that you know what is in your packages before you open them.

/u/prymetyme

1 points

1 month ago

If there is gps in the package they are already at your door when you open it.

/u/prymetyme

2 points

1 month ago

the feds or the cops dont know they watching. you only know when your in handcuffs....

/u/prymetyme

1 points

1 month ago

if you recieved a tracker in your box, more than likely your vendor.

/u/losangeldust

2 points

1 month ago

i have seen on boarder patrol tv show them delivering a package of ketamine and watching for the owner to pick it up from his doorstep and follow him around then arrest him when they know he has the package and search his house to find all kinds of other stuff. this was for a large quantity. i don't think they would do that for personal use. if you got your package and have not been contacted you should be fine. if you are worried they are watching you or something don't open the package for a few days.

/u/moneytrees100

1 points

1 month ago

if u arent arrested yet and ur sus jus do ur drugs or hide em and clean ur house n then if they snoop arounf stfu and dont say a word how can they know u were the one to order ????? mmmm

/u/Silent_Cal P

1 points

1 month ago

How would LE get your address?

/u/abevigoda2 📢

1 points

1 month ago

Through a honeypot meant to catch a compromised vendor's associates and customers

Sorry not yet sure how to link to a reply from a post, but here's one quote from a post from about a day ago on this subdread:
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/u/DrCola111 1 points
1 day ago
Ya for sometimes I was moving a nice amount, now just here for the stories. About 2 months ago CalvinKlein was back to Archetyp and I thoguht it was a honey pot becasue he retired. I think they had access to his servers before and he's been working with the interpol for awhile, at least since March or April

/u/1question 1 points
10 hours ago*
same but not the moving large part (i wish). here for the story. i also got weird feelings from a different coke vendor around that time..
i also thought CK returning was strange..
i think they went after coke vendors first taking them out systematically.. a result of that huge bust in cali (armenians?) where vendors got their stuff?
this is all in my foggy head so lots of it is fuzzy...
i remember some other big vendors were disappearing and returning, 2 of them were on vacay and then both suddenly reappeared around the same time..
also new vendors popping up with crazy amounts of weight and same menu (pressed addy, molly rocks, coke)
people just assumed vendors have lots of alt names but i think it was something more nefarious than that

/u/[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

No, the controlled substances act applies to everyone including law enforcement. If they didn't do a controlled delivery but gained access to information about the shipment after it already shipped and they're aware it shipped to you, they certainly would have reached out to your local law enforcement agency to notify them that you're ordering drugs off the internet.

Also, they cannot prove that YOU ordered the drugs so if they did not do a controlled delivery or have surveillance on you when you picked up the package they probably don't have enough for a warrant so you're fine.

/u/Ghwbushsr

0 points

1 month ago

have you ever heard of something called "qualified immunity"?

what makes you think they're gonna do the same tired tactics that most people know about. What makes you think they won't switch their processes up, in 2025...?

/u/[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

Yes, Qualified immunity does not apply to criminal law. What is your point?

/u/Ghwbushsr

0 points

1 month ago

that the cops can break whatever laws necessary in order to "get the job done"

/u/lastchancer9

1 points

1 month ago

Cops can do whatever they want. They also choose who to prosecute for what. So while it may be illegal its their decision to prosecute it or not and they arent prosecuting themselves or coerced/reforming "criminals". end of the day the cops (or more likely other state actors or intelligence communities) can send the packages eaily and have plausible deniability, if the leo run vendor is "busted" by local police they can just move states while on bail. Ross ulbricht deserved his pardon and served hard time over a harm reduction program.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

The exclusionary rule of evidence prevents LE from presenting evidence that was gathered illegally.

/u/Doghouseowner

1 points

1 month ago

They shouldn't be able to see your address if you're using PGP..

/u/diaperspray P

1 points

1 month ago

The vendor might be on the radar with the address there sending from. So anything coming from the adress is on the radar now.

/u/BigMacXtraMayo

1 points

1 month ago

Ummmm do you really think vendors put their real address on their shipments....come on dude smh 🤦

/u/diaperspray P

1 points

1 month ago*

absolutely not. i'm say'n the addresses the vendor is using on the package itself, could be getting flagged too.

/u/Frankiecarder

1 points

1 month ago

They don’t use the same address for every package and I’m sure they have multiple runners and drop off at multiple locations, different cities, etc. even different states. They’d have to be stupid to be dropping packages at the same post office with the same address all the time and i’m not for sure but I’m pretty sure they don’t even go inside for many of the packages seeing how they just print the labels from wherever they’re working and use flat rate envelopes they just drop them in the blue box.

/u/Tre

1 points

1 month ago

Not if you used the vendors PGP and your PGP to encrypt / send messages. Given the amount of time that has passed i would say you are ok, however it's always go practice to clean your house out daily.

Get rid of any packaging materials. Any vendor packaging or USPS boxes. Wipe your electronics, use tails. Dont search stupid things on the clearnet, etc etc.

Also, Amazon sells tubes that are water proof / you can bury in the ground. I've gone so far as to buy one of those, then dig a hole and bury it in my neighbors woods, so if LE ever does coming knocking, they will need a separate search warrant just to search my neighbors house. It's basically my go bag and includes any and everything i need should shit hit the fan.

/u/Sherlocks

1 points

1 month ago

who sends free drugs lol?

/u/prymetyme

1 points

1 month ago

Le doesnt Care too much about personal use they want the suppliers, transporters, resellers. If your ordering more than personal use you should always act as if they know whats going on and are watching. I have heard stories where its not them sending but they let it get deliverd to build history. Again if its personal use its a state case, even with it being in mail. if your ordering in large quantities then the feds get their dicks hard.

/u/Ghwbushsr

0 points

1 month ago

they want the easiest cases to prosecute

You think the US attorney's office, or even your county DA gives a flying fuck if you're a user or a dealer?

All they want is easy targets to make an example out of. Period

The judges, prosecutors and the jury could care less. All they wanna see is evidence

/u/Frankiecarder

2 points

1 month ago

I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t believe that they’re not going to prioritize people buying bulk over people buying personal use amount. The feds definitely we wouldn’t mess with it. Local LE could maybe be a possibility (I’m not sure though) but I wouldn’t worry about it.

/u/Ghwbushsr

0 points

1 month ago

all I'm saying is, don't underestimate the lengths these fuckers will go to set you up.

If you can imagine a scenario that could happen, keep your guard up.

/u/prymetyme

1 points

1 month ago

Federal Cases are very expensive. The only way they bring you in on some personal shit is if they think you have information to lead them to someone big.

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

1 month ago*

at the end of the day, the agents gotta have someone to arrest. it's like any other job, imagine dicking around for weeks and your boss is expecting you to have something ready for him... They're gonna snag whomever they can turnover a solid case.

in the eyes of a federal prosecutor, using the darkweb to conspire to transport narcotics across state line, unless it's <2g, makes you a "big" guy.

Federal court documents prove the DEA is aware of who the "big" guys are within the Sinaloa cartel, and they feed the DEA information on their adversaries, so the DEA lets them operate and targets rival cartels instead. The ATF even got caught running guns to them..

They KNOW who the "big" guys are. The biggest guys of all are the invincible cartel dudes who are untouchable and have the DEA smashing in doors of everyone they advise them.

You're very naive if you think in this day in age where SCOTUS basically keeps ruling "qualified immunity" and no matter what lengths cops have been caught going to, successful defenses for "entrapment" are virtually non-existent

/u/prymetyme

2 points

1 month ago

Lol Im not Naive. I said if you order ofen and your quantity can make your orders seem like your distributing product then yes you should move as if you have a target on your back because you do. A big raid for someone who is ordering personal supply? will get laughed at by his peers. That doesnt mean you shouldnt act like they arnt watching because if they believe you can produce a bigger fish for sure they will take you in. Just know that you are not the target. 99% of the time they only arrest the users to induce fear and flip them to snitch. An average user shit most people now days have no issue turning someone over to save themself. Back in the day snitching would get you killed....now days it will get u 100k plus a year from the us gov.. Im not saying anyone is untouchable, Im saying they are not going to spend 100 hours investigating you for some grams, I could be wrong.

Lets talk about the Cartel Of course they work with the government and the Cia. Everyone was excited win Mayo was busted Right. The news went to town with it. And the Chapitos gave him up right.... lol Its funny how most americans Believe everything they are fed.... Mayo hadnt so much as been seen in a photo since the 1980s. and your going to tell me he jumped on a plane to go invest some money with the chapitos? laughable

Since you know as much as you do about the cartel politics, I would love to know if Mayo Fucks with Chapo? or If Sinaloa has differnt Factions?
My Theory, I could be way the fuck wrong... Or I could know a lot more than you think I know, My Theory, Mayo Got sick, cant say what or how, fuck for all i know it was some bullshit covid. for shits and giggles lets call it cancer. Anyhow, He Is terminal, Maybe they gave him a year maybe 10. He calls his friends in the us and says gentlmen I want to help you. I give you me, the american public comemorates you! you are a hero, in return you leave my family, finance and legacy the fuck alone. Ill give you info on some other factions some sinaloa I need to clean house with, and some other groups, Ill give you a few mill.. drop in the bucket.

You get this news story, me in jail until I die, under american money recieving good healthcare, during an election year I may add. lol shit is commical, how scripted it is. grammy to el mayo. At the end of the day The mexican Cartels are the fastest to snitch.

Dont get me fucked up there is some real ones that wont. But they have to kill so many of there own because even they know most of the low level guys are a bunch of bitches.

/u/prymetyme

1 points

1 month ago

Ill add, and dont get mefucked up, Anytime you commit a crime, know the risk and know the consequence. If you dont then your foolish, with that I just contradicted the shit out of everything I said so take it for what it is.. Do the crime be preparred to do some time ...

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

1 month ago

there's different factions, for sure. loads of them. El mayo was able to cut a deal with the feds. Kinda Juan "N" Guerra from the gulf cartel, likely had so much pull with the US goverment he was able to get alcohol made illegal during prohibition.

also, from what I've seen, the feds usually just collect small shit and put it on a file. every postal seizure at your address, maybe even some they didn't seize but probably opened up, weighed, took out enough for a lab sample, took some pictures, document everything and then send it through.

After a few years, lets say an oz here and an oz there, the case file builds up like a running tab at a bar, once you've had your limit, they get you.

/u/HorkyPorky

1 points

1 month ago

That would probably constitute entrapment if you mean a LE vendor selling drugs, as they would be advertising the item. Not sure there tho

LE has allowed monitored shipments to go through in past though to build up a history of packs, to my knowledge. Reason for this would be to reduce plausible deniability, as 10 packs coming through without being reported by the receiver is much more sus than one random pack coming through.

Not sure how often this occurs, definitely not common though

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

1 month ago

in the US (this varies by country), LE have qualified immunity to commit crimes in sting operations and the burden of proof to prove entrapment relies on the defendant.... You have to prove that LE somehow coerced you into ordering drugs you would have never ordered from another vendor if the LE didn't make you. good luck with that

/u/prymetyme

1 points

1 month ago

Here is alternative thought... Stop fucking with usps. They are the feds. you think the bullshit " they need a warrant to open this " is real? you havnt done your homework. Usps has elite law enforcement on payroll. That means they have a judge 24 hours a day who will sign any warrant they wish. or they can throw 100 boxes have a dog "hit" on your specific one. then they dont need shit.. oh, or we can talk about the Not talked about "ANP" program.

Results
Introduction/Objective
This report presents the results of our self-initiated audit of the U.S. Postal
Inspection Service Handling of Suspected Marijuana Packages (Project Number
19-014). Our objective was to determine whether the U.S. Postal Inspection
Service has efficient and effective controls to manage the Administrative
Non-Mailability Protocol (ANP) Program.
Background
Postal inspectors are federal law enforcement officers responsible for enforcing
laws that defend the nation’s mail system from illegal or dangerous use. In
2016, the Postal Inspection Service implemented the ANP program, which is an
administrative procedure used to detain, document, and process mail packages
that are reasonably suspected of containing marijuana.
Unlike criminal investigations, the ANP program does not require postal
inspectors to obtain search warrants to open detained packages. Rather,
inspectors detain packages and obtain consent from mailers or addressees to
open them. When there is no response from either the sender or addressee after
21 days, packages are declared abandoned and can be opened. When identified
as non-mailable items, their contents are seized and disposed; mailable items are
returned to the original addressees. Due to this process, the Postal Inspection
Service has determined that contents of abandoned packages cannot be used as
evidence in criminal investigations. However, information from the packages, such
as an address, may be used to support new or ongoing criminal investigations.
This protocol was established primarily to remove marijuana from the mailstream.

/u/GasPasser

0 points

1 month ago

No, they likely won't knowingly distribute drugs...
They learned the hard way with operation playpen. (CP Honey Pot)
In 2015 the FBI seized control of and continued to operate a CP site called The Playpen. The FBI knowingly distributed CP to bust pedos which lead to a host of legal issues. Jerisdiction came into question, Ethics, etc... Judges ruled warrants were invalid, evidence was ruled inadmissable, pedos were set free.
Something else interesting is they used malware to unmask users of TOR and refused to to disclose technical details, which then lead to even more suppressed evidence...
It turned into a shit show for them. Look it up, its a good read.

/u/Ghwbushsr

0 points

1 month ago

keep telling yourself that when you become one of the first in their next operation vendor-sell

they sold crack and weed to random people and then busted them on COPS. what makes you think they won't do it IRL?

Do you have any idea how pushy some of their decoy hookers are trying to make you buy?

Do you really think cops give a flying fuck whether or not it's entrapment?

You're either a cop trying to downplay it because yall are actually doing that, or you're a VERY naive person...

/u/GasPasser

0 points

1 month ago

Your buying drugs with your parents money dude. stop it.
Your a meth head spewwing paranoid non sense...
Go to sleep
FUD helps nothing

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

1 month ago

sounds like projection from the guy who thinks it's free to get a fed case overturned on some sort of technicality.. and the feds don't send people drugs.

you're either a fed or a fucking retard

/u/Ghwbushsr

0 points

1 month ago

which then lead to even more suppressed evidence...

SCOTUS has been making very strange rulings ever since 9/11

if you wanna risk being the first one to take it all the way to the supreme court, i hope you have a few million stashed away JUST for legal fees lmao

/u/GasPasser

0 points

1 month ago

It was likely under a stack of boxes in a sorting facilitly somewhere, and then got found and sent a long its way. Happens all the time.

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