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Can you trust free servers (unpaid plan) of Proton VPN? : OpSec | Torhoo darknet markets

What do you think about this choice? They say about no logging policy getting applied to them too besides Proton VPN overall seems not bad. Yes, their email has issues but Swiss laws are different about VPN. Let's assume the worst and say you just have rely on these free servers. What do you feel about it?

Advantage here is that there is technically no payment info linked and account can easily be made without divulging personal info.

/u/HeadJanitor ۩ 𝓜𝓘𝓐 ۩

1 points

8 months ago

No. You're buying a fancy lie. Read their transparency report at the footer. Also, think about, why they would be so generous to spend money on you. Are they a non-profit humanitarian charity?

/u/DaVenom Made of Ⱡ₳₴ɆⱤ₴

2 points

8 months ago

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/u/peepee 📢

1 points

8 months ago

Since you mention it, they actually are turning in to a non profit!

Some new foundation is gonna be incorporated. Here's the dilemma though. Let's compare them to Mullvad/IVPN and we could easily argue that since they are for profit, they gonna respect their words but can we? Swiss jurisdiction is really something else than residing anywhere in the world as far as reach, power, influence and even GDPR goes. I am not taking a side but Proton did have carried out some aggresive steps and often times in alpha stage, to reach more. They were able to continue provide services via virtual servers and restricted places and even got in Russia where neither Mullvad or any other top tier is present.

They even broke the partnership with Mozilla after they wanted to rebrand Proton VPN and this contract went to Mullvad which actually allowed Mozilla VPN as brand to take place.

There are other points too but I would like different point of views.

/u/HeadJanitor ۩ 𝓜𝓘𝓐 ۩

1 points

7 months ago

The reality is that unless one of us works at their place, we'd never know what really goes on. The pro for Mullvad is that they route you utiliizing RAM, entirely disk-free; like Tails.

This became loud news when they were raided and the agency had no drives to confiscate.

The con for Proton is that they are the marketing machine of the darker side of the web, selling privacy and anonymity, in all reality, as their transparency report shows, this country of that country, when the law comes knocking they will cooperate, always. As a company you can see they are the Google of the darker-side of the web, having crafted every product they could on the promise of guaranteeing your anonymity and privacy, and the incredible part is that their email possesses your private key. They have even reached the level where unlike any other enterprise, they convinced you that they will hang on to your private key for you. Amazing skills in the cunning setting of trends and winning people over.

/u/vpn24

1 points

7 months ago

whatabout mega vpn?

/u/DaVenom Made of Ⱡ₳₴ɆⱤ₴

1 points

8 months ago

ProtonVPN is safe, but not.

It's "safe", thus its not considered as a telecom operator. However, the ISP of ProtonVPN has legal obligation to log detailed metadata of all traffic in and out from the ProtonVPN data centers.

https://protonvpn.com/blog/privacy-policy-explained/

Further more, ProtonVPN claim providing IP-addresses in many countries, but these IP-addresses are physically located in a handful Proton owned/controlled data centers, it's only in the Internet registrars where they virtually are located in other countries. Fake with other words.

ProtonMail is not safe, Swiss court orders can enforce email providers to provide metadata case by case.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/proton-wins-appeal-in-swiss-court-over-surveillance-laws/47052196

/u/peepee 📢

1 points

8 months ago

Mail laws are different and VPN laws are different. ISP logs all data irrespective of any provider, I don't understand this part.
I again don't get this part about virtual hosting. Anything wrong with it? Better to provide a service in restricted places than not at ll?
Proton Mail is completely out of the question here as it's a different story to VPN. Any mail by design is not inherently not secure but
they have PGP option present while Tuta (German), won't even allow for that.

/u/DaVenom Made of Ⱡ₳₴ɆⱤ₴

1 points

8 months ago

A telecom provider has according to EU laws the obligation to log all communication. A Internet service provider (ISP) is considered to be a telecom operator and must therefore log metadata.

A VPN provider is according to Swiss law not a telecom operator and therefore not obligated to log.

However the VPN provider must have Internet, so they connect to an ISP, and the ISP will log all communication metadata.

Now, if the ISP is equipped with advanced network analyze tools, they will in many cases be able to correlate the VPN traffic, meaning that the ISP know who connects to what even if the VPN-provider does not log.

Hope this was understandable.

/u/peepee 📢

1 points

7 months ago

I mean the logging is always done at ISP/Telecom level no matter the service. Argument here is whether to feel similar level of safety with their free plan or not? The same no log policy applies to both.

/u/DaVenom Made of Ⱡ₳₴ɆⱤ₴

1 points

7 months ago

Ah! OK, yes it's same policy on free plan as the others.

Now, be aware that ProtonVPN is not your friend, what they say might not be what they do. So, always have Tor as one component in your Internet connection. Never trust a single party.

/u/peepee 📢

1 points

7 months ago

May I ask why Proton VPN is not recommended? Of course, their mail has a history but is there anything against VPN offering too?

/u/DaVenom Made of Ⱡ₳₴ɆⱤ₴

1 points

7 months ago*

In the past Proton was seen as reliable and trustworthy. Overtime their profit hunger become more important than their principles, also Swiss regulation has become more strict.

It's the email history that tells how the company really act, and this says how they will act with VPN when the legal cases comes.

/u/jedi_knight_errant [O\\\\\[=====================-

2 points

7 months ago

Gotta pay for particle colliders somehow

/u/peepee 📢

1 points

7 months ago

I will add some points to discuss but I don't trust them or any other either.

Email is not at all trusted for sure but they did announce that court order and didn't hide that from public about it. Proton is transitioning towards a non-profit too. Freedom of Press still recommends it. Swiss laws is still one extra hop away at least to serve the court order unlike within 14 eyes. Audits are done regularly and they got a canary available. If we just speak about business than they are good at marketing and reaping the profits. Also, they have tie ups with news outlets to WEF.

/u/hari007005s

1 points

7 months ago

even paid service don't trust them the day the FED knock the door they'll give u to save there asses hhhh no one will go for jail to save u so do your best to hide your ass