Clarification about the messaging system : WhiteHouseMarket | Torhoo darknet markets

I like the forced e2e. But it does have it's downsides.

Consider a vendor trying to tell the user their GPG isn't working, and then getting a bad review. Or a vendor having to decrypt elementary questions/comments from non-serious buyers all day. Personally it would be no problem, but for many people it takes quite a few clicks and copy pasting to decrypt.

Here's an idea: Include a drop down menu of common operating terms that can be used. Nothing freeform. For example:

• Yes.
• No.
• Ok, thanks.
• Where's my order?
• Can I get an update?
• Do you send samples?
• Is this product authentic?
• Can you do larger quantities?
• Can you do smaller quantities?
• Is there any chance you'd give me a discount?
• I can't decrypt your message, please check your setup.
• I'm sorry for late finalization, won't happen again.
• Your order may be delayed for unforeseen circumstances, but it will still be shipped shortly.
• You're the best.
• I love you vendor.

That way, people wouldn't be able to put a lot of sensitive info in cleartext, while still being user friendly. You could bring your (commendable) high security practices to a wider audience.

The only thing I don't like about the messaging system is that the messages aren't all kept on 1 page like a conversation. I can't see my PGP messages that I've sent. Its confusing and I have to keep second guessing what I wrote in the previous message to the customer. When you have 50 people contacting you it becomes impossible to keep track of what your reply was.

I love everything about this post. People who do not want to use proper security practices should just go back to buying and selling on the streets. This is the kind of policy that the foundation of cryptography was made for.

/u/mr_white, good point and well said.
There is someone that is spreading unmotivated FUD for the top markets, and it is causing in people a lot of confusion and panic.
Kid's must stay at home and play at xbox, dont making fud on darknet.

Well job as always
WS

Okay , i like that attitude, and i have been trying to put an order in for 72 hrs , now im a tweaker and have been up for 48 hours now trying to sort shit out on tails , electrum , kleopatra and other shit , but what is really driving me to start throwing lap tops to the ground is when kleopatra is saying pgp is verified and encrypted , basically all green lights and says something like all processes are successful, so i copy and paste the pgp key into WHM message box and it errors me saying it appears you message is not signed, can someone please give me couple minutes to explain what the hell im doing wrong, i have youtubed and googled as much info on the subject without success, really to me the pgp thing is a nightmare but i look forward to moving forward with it and i assume its top notch for security

Hey Mr. White,

The forced e2e is awesome... Don't get why everyone tripping about it. Not sure if this is a great idea, but is it possible to disable captcha for every message on vendor manager system? Its so tiny and doing it for every message is a pain!

It takes 10-30 seconds for me to decrypt/encrypt messages using the Tails 4.12. People who dont want to use this security method shouldnt be buying from the DM.

Yessuh keep it that way

Upvoted, OPsec shouldn't be optional in any way, appreciating to see that you value the privacy.
Hope you will keep it this way on long term.

Keeping it straightforward is a sign of good administrative! your market is going big in short time that's for sure. wish you the best.

I have my issues with it but im not going to demand shit. I do have an idea about it though.

How about you're allowed to send like 4-6 words.. 10-30 characters unencrypted and if you go over that it is all enforced encrypted like you do now. That'd basically allow vendors to send replies like 'Thank you' 'Yes that is ok' and shit like that which is the biggest issue now

Idk if its posisble at all but perhaps some to think about. Like you said development never stops.

Kudos for keeping it real Mr_white, always security first. if i did not liked much about you, but this one i always admired, safety first.

Totally behind this. End to End encryption is there for a reason. Go watch youtube videos on PGP, asynchronous encryption and become a Ninja coder.

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Mr White don't bend too the people demanding you lower the bar, every time we have had a perceived problem regarding PGP or XMR on WHM - we have been able to attribute it to buyer stupidity, it's as simple as that.

If they are making mistakes when they get far enough down the road to place an order - how many have they made before?

Like everything people need to learn the in's and out's, sometimes we move around WHM to quickly and it tells us to slow down, so yes...... it can be circumnavigated quickly.

Our only real frustration is people using names on the keys that don't correspond to their account, but this is a wider problem that's been raised before.

Stay safe

This is absolutely the right attitude. I LOVE that WH is so security focused. I hate it when vendors respond to my encrypted questions in cleartext. That can't happen on WH. Thank God. WH is a simple market. If you can't figure it out, you don't belong on the DN. OpSec is critical people. Sending messages in cleartext sounds great - until the FBI raids the servers and gets hold of the market.

Lets see how the new API manager update will work. Currently its missing a lot of information and is useless if we cant see the shipping option!

Its a cool system and great to help to skip endless PGP key import/encryption etc but needs a lot more features added to compensate the annoying PGP obligation.

YASSS. Tell em off WHM!!!!

I respect your rules, your market, your way. I still haven't figured out how to order with the PGP but if i can't that's my issue for being under educated not yours. Hope to be an active member of your market soon, it looks fantastic. Great work.

Just tell em "this ain't a fucking airport, noone needs or wants any departure announcement from you!"

White House Market public key is the only key that has failed to be added to my OpenKeychain. I attempted to import the public key but it has always been unsuccessful on my android phone. Please help me !

I cant even message the admins. It keeps giving: Message/attachment does not seem to be PGP encrypted

Even as the message is encrypted with the Admin key.

How do make pgk key on android phone for whm thanks

Spot on, guys!

Whoever isn't capable or willing to use end to end encryption or wants a autoencrypt function because they are to stupid or lazy to learn a few things about pgp encryption (this takes 1 hour to learn, tops ffs) should use these markets anyway.

If WHM isn't overrun by retards or noobs, it might have a chance to be there for the long run

I too like the market and stand with implementations it has, all but the auto finalize clock releasing without buyer present to confirm if packages are with us.

Vendors take advantage of this, when the customer does not realize he has to or that the window had been missed to extended clock. Then once the intended item has not arrived. The ball is in the vendors court, like the market loads, but have yet to come across a vendor that stands by the market they represent, one that will see to rectifying problems arisen from using WHM platform to buy from their shop.

If they do reply its with a "hope you do end up getting it" or a no reply which is more common.
Not naming names but if a mod wants to find out these two vendors I havent had a smooth sail with then they are more then welcome.
There should be more incentives to find slacking vendors too
Even this electronic shipping labels being created does not mean that a package is being sent, think vendors are using this to play into their hand, my tracking has updated once in a month, also it does not show it leaving the originating country (CANADA)(which <Think this is grounds for a refund/reship/vendor admitting hes a fuckabout>
Know this is more of a submit request but if your request has not been outlined properly you will be hit back with a generic message saying how the admin would like the request message formatted, do not really have time to not get an order let alone to go back and forth , having to explain everything. It would help if there ws a template to submit a request

Regards

Mr . White I have to fulfill more then 20 orders per day Hence more the 40 messages for Queries this PGP system in messages is really slow down the process can you do something like automaticall encypt like we used to Have on Empire when we used to place order . Please sort this out because its very time taken . Regards Horsemen .

Pushing your XMR and forced PGP go fuck yourself u commie.

You think any1 gonna learn how to use XMR just to use your market.

Fking piss me off.