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committing crime is mentally draining! (criminal mental health awareness : CafeDread | Torhoo darknet markets

when i used to be on the sidelines and not in the game i used to think "what are these criminals so stressed about! just have good opsec and there is nothing to worry about! i'd totally never stress!"

as my monero balance increases, so does my paranoia.

as I write custom programs for people/ do all sorts of work on the DN, for people that I know might not be up to anything moral, I think to myself, "if they get busted, what will happen to me?"

of course it is critical to deny any job that goes against your personal morals. I am a deeply moral person and I would not do anything or work with anyone which could result in people getting harmed, or stealing etc because that is just wrong. But if i write a code to make someone's carding easier, and they tell me they need it for educational purposes, how can i deny them?

this is getting mentally draining and of course there isnt any mental health awareness for criminals, as ridiculous as that sounds. of course there will be people saying that I shouldnt be in the game if i cant handle something so elementry, but this is my passion and i genuinly enjoy doing this I just dont like hurting innocent people.

I have even refused money from a ransomware operation once because I felt bad afterwards, and i dont exaggerate when i say my cut of the operation was seven figures. They ended up distributing my cut among themselves and I felt a bit stupid afterwards for refusing payment for something i worked 6 months on with them but i didnt know what else to do.

do you guys think im overthinking this? let me know if you feel the same.

fyodor
/u/PsycheShop
2 points
1 year ago
I have been in the drug business for almost 20 years. If you are not a fool there should be a fair amount of stress at all times. I think it wears on a lot of people. I was definitely much more happy go lucky and carefree before the business. You kind of have to ask yourself how much money is worth that change in mentality? I think for a lot it is not worth it and a lot determine that you can't put a price on peace of mind. But for many others they would rather be in jail than live a "normal life". A "normal" life brings it's stresses too. I personally would go crazy if I had to sit in an office all day.
/u/Fyodor-MD 📢 0pac
1 points
1 year ago
20 years is crazy and im glad youre alright.

thing is im not even doing it for the money really, im doing it to improve my skill and build a reputation. the money, i couldnt care less about.
but i cant lie i wont deny the money, sometimes people get suspicious when you do too much for them without an equal exchange. it is nice to have the money.

i dont think any of uswould prefer a 9-5, which is why we're here.

fyodor
/u/[deleted]
1 points
1 year ago
if you are not doin it for money then why dont you help out needy , total bullshit im working my ass off for money here and struggling to get time to study and i fuckin hate when people like you say craps like i dont value money and shit but dont have heart to even help someone
/u/[deleted]
2 points
1 year ago
Havent read the whole post but totally agree with the title. Crime is not as easy as it seems. Does take a toll on the mentals hahah. Plus committing crime doesnt equal instant easy money, contrary to what most of the public seem to think.
/u/partytime
2 points
1 year ago
Indeed, mate, seen the attitude often, where noobs come to the DN thinking easy coin flows out with minimal effort. Just as with most all of life, earning coin on DN or money irl takes work, dedication, effort, constant learning, and a lot of aspects, inlcuding plain luck it seems to me at times.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
1 year ago
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/u/partytime
2 points
1 year ago
I agree. When I was younger I thought dealers and vendors lived the high life with no worries. Come to find out, years later now, the effort needed, and the overall stress, of living a criminal life was astounding to me. Cheers to you, and best of luck!
/u/vulnerbull
2 points
1 year ago
You know your opsec is up to par when it is no longer mentally draining.

Improve your opsec and it all becomes calm.
/u/cobrajet428
2 points
1 year ago
Years ago Daniel Radcliff did a movie called impirium where he played an undercover fed in a white suprmacist movement. Theres a scene where they give him shit for wearing levis, and he basically says if you try to follow your beliefs that hard with what you buy you'll end up naked, alone in a fucking cave.

The point is you have to figure out where your line is that you feel comfortable saying "this side is ok, that side is fucked up".

Yes thats alot of money you walked away from. But have you ever heard the myth they weigh your soul against a feather when you die? Taking that money would of been putting a cylinder block on that scale. Now I personally dont think theres a diety with a scale waiting for me at the pearly gates, but the point of the myth is doing things your uncomfortable with will weigh you down mentally. And trust me as you get older that shit gets heavier. You gotta be able to look at your self in the mirror and be ok with the person looking back.
/u/necverus
1 points
1 year ago
"they weigh your soul against a feather when you die"

Damn, bro. That whole paragraph was exactly what I personally needed to read. Great post.
/u/lambard39
2 points
1 year ago
I think crime in general, is not for everyone. I like the feeling.
/u/SmartyMcFly
1 points
1 year ago
Happiness lies in what excites. And what excites is crime!
- Marquis De Sade
/u/MTNOrganix P
1 points
1 year ago
Can you please describe the feeling? Being serious.
/u/Death-Before-Decaf
2 points
1 year ago
yeah man double lives are stressfull as hell
/u/JohnLocke
2 points
1 year ago
I was briefly a vendor who sold malware while in College but my senior year of college I started getting paranoid over being arrested and my career being ruined. I made a decision do I want to spend 10 + years in prison or have a career in my major, something I really am passionate about. I highly suggest anyone in a similar situation decide if its worth it, The money might be great but is it worth the prison time or do i want a career in my field
"No matter how paranoid you are, what they're actually doing is worse than you can possibly imagine."

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/u/networknomad
1 points
1 year ago
It is physically and mentally draining, but you just either have to push through or stop all together. I was making a decent bit of coin when I was an active Threat Actor. At one point I just didn't want to do it anymore so I stopped. Every day I still want to get back into the things I was doing and maybe someday I will. But it's rough
/u/Fyodor-MD 📢 0pac
1 points
1 year ago
thanks for commenting, I think you're right. Either i stop or continue. I can never stop, this is my passion and the progress im making is very rewarding. I believe god is protecting me, I wouldnt be passionate about this if it wasent meant for me.

if youve made enough coin, i dont think it is a good move for you to get back in the game especially if you were only doing it for money. I can understand that the stress isnt worth it. Im not just saying this, once i exceed a certain stress threshold, im dropping this. You can apply your skill in a way that dosent stress you out.

fyodor
/u/networknomad
2 points
1 year ago
I do web development sort of now. But with anything crime related it does get to the point where you eventually have to make a choice. You do have to know at some point you will eventually get caught and there is no such thing as the perfect crime. That was my belief when I started almost 11 years ago. It's addicting, to go from a life style of luxury to a boring every day Joe almost makes any one want to go back. Yes, it is stressful but even if you quit you still have to look over your shoulder. I got enough to last me a decade right now. That's more than enough. You just have to be careful. Just because you are paranoid doesn;t mean they ain't watching you.
"No matter how paranoid you are, what they're actually doing is worse than you can possibly imagine."

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/u/[deleted]
1 points
1 year ago
In terms of gods protection, nobody thinks theyll be arrested till their door gets boomed in. Talking from experience from when i was a young kid. Used to think i was invincible while doing incredibly risky things, not caring because of the money i was making.
/u/strace
1 points
1 year ago
"I believe god is protecting me, I wouldnt be passionate about this if it wasent meant for me."


I once read a quote from a hitman on how he justified his occupational choice. It was very similar, saying he believed he was doing god's work or he wouldn't be good at doing what he did. I think it's a common rationalization for those doing something viewed as outside the lines of acceptability in society at large and/or at odds with their own personal ethics.

Not meant to be disparaging, just noting the moral quandary you wrestle with daily in order to justify how you make your living. You make it clear that there's at least part of you isn't fully onboard.

But if i write a code to make someone's carding easier, and they tell me they need it for educational purposes, how can i deny them?


Can a person really be deeply moral if they wittingly earn a living by facilitating deeply immoral acts under the duplicitous pretense of seeking knowledge for knowledge sake? I don't know but I would say probably not. This is why I prefer blissful blue pilled superficiality to red pilled morality.
/u/footsteps 🌈 Nazi 🌈
1 points
1 year ago
Just take some drugs and relax.
/u/partytime
1 points
1 year ago
Stress comes in 2 types, as I recall, mates. Those are positive and negative stressors. Some examples of positive stressors include exercising (within limits), eating a healthy diet at regular times, and chatting about something other than the stressful situations with other people (aka distraction).

Negative stressors include overeating, paranoia, and even talking too much and too often about the stressful situations.

There is a lot of research to be found on balancing stressors in life, and using positives to offset negatives. Worth looking into for anyone who has a stressful job, be it a DN vendor or a rl project coder.
For example, a user sees a duck on the river and thinks the police have placed a camera in the duck to watch him.

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/u/SmartyMcFly
1 points
1 year ago*
that is why we take the Adderall
/u/Kwik-go
1 points
1 year ago
Hmmm, morals v passion... Would you feel better if they just lied to you about the end use of your work? Absolvement by omission? Sounds like if thats ok, then just take what someone will pay you and walk away.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
1 year ago
what is your passion now? leaving money on the table? go see a therapist, or better yet, wire me your cut and you can lay on my couch and bitch about how hard it is to make millions of dollars while half the world starves.
/u/Fyodor-MD 📢 0pac
1 points
1 year ago
dont bring in starving people of africa into this, its irrelevant to the topic.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
1 year ago
well mr. moral, you clearly know that people are starving, and you have all these millions which you don't care about supposedly, why not donate them?
/u/Fyodor-MD 📢 0pac
1 points
1 year ago
im not telling you how much i have. and im gonna buy chrome hearts with it.