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Confusion in regards to securely using/acquiring Monero, even after reading the DNM Bible all the way through and scrubbing Dread for answers. : Monero | Torhoo darknet markets

this seems to be quite a topic and I find it hard to find any 'correct' method.

It seems to be that the only PURELY anonymous ways to acquire monero is cash by mail, which sounds horrible and stressful, or a low-no KYC bitcoin ATM which sadly I do not have access to.

I would just like to hear opinions and experiences, is it really THAT BAD to buy through a KYC exchange? Some people seem to think its totally okay, as long as you go through multiple wallets after purchase, and obv not sending direct to a market. Some people say it's sketchy but okay.

ANOTHER BIG QUESTION:
Is it secure to purchase from KYC on my Tails OS, or should it be done on a seperate device entirely?

SO really my question is, is my ass covered enough if I do: KYC exchange -> Cake Wallet -> Feather Wallet -> DNM?
Everything else involved in my process/OPSEC is straight out of the DNM Bible

I have some huge reservations about giving a KYC exchange my personal info, but as long as I buy an amount larger than I intend to spend on a DNM there's really no way to trace the transaction after I put the XMR through multiple wallets?

This seems like enough from my research but I have zero experience with crypto and would really like someone with more experience/ knowledge to chime in. Probably being extra paranoid especially since I only plan on making 2 or 3 small purchases a year, but wanna make sure Im doing things right.

EDIT: So after re-reading the DNM Bible, this subs FAQ, and the comments here, I've decided the best route is to: Buy LTC from and exchange -> send it to Cake Wallet, use Cake to exchange for XMR -> Feather Wallet on Tails -> Market. Thoughts on this are welcome!

/u/DojaDesperado P

1 points

4 months ago

I haven't done this myself, but a lot of people buy a different coin through a KYC exchange such as LTC or USDT, then use a different service to swap those coins for XMR.

With XMR the advice is to make 1 transfer to an intermediary wallet to obfuscate the path.

I suspect XMR is used mostly for darkweb dealings, so if I were in your shoes I would probably not purchase XMR directly from a KYC exchange, but rather buy a different coin and do the swap to XMR. Then the outfit with your KYC info doesn't know you were after XMR in the first place.

Hope that helps.

/u/Beelzebub ĐɆ₵ØⱤ₳₮ØⱤ

1 points

4 months ago

The Australian Tax Office tracks all crypto transactions. I keep waiting for the day they ask me what I've done with around $1M worth of Crypto at current value.

I'm far more worried about being busted for tax evasion than being busted for drugs.

/u/chatnoir P

1 points

4 months ago

The tax evasion is more worrying than others, knowing the security level and paranoia of some of us here. The weak link is always money.

/u/SilverTeam P

1 points

4 months ago*

The decision is up to your individual threat model. This post could help you to make an informed decision: /post/e2456500b94c35e5e9c2

To your big question again it depends on the specific attacks and risks you are looking at e.g. using an insecure or untrusted device. In principle separation is good OpSec.

You could give Haveno (RetoSwap) a try as an alternative to KYC exchanges.

A general recommendation is to run your own Monero local node.

I agree with /u/DojaDesperado.

/u/mrratburn 📢

1 points

4 months ago

well, i am definitely small fish, making small purchases, in a place where the cops dont really care, and i doubt id end up on any feds radar. it still is unclear how important it is to obfuscate your purchase of a crypto such as XMR, and seems expensive and cumbersome to buy another coin and exchange it to XMR. Im def going to look into Retoswap, but even then, wont i have to buy BTC or something to exchange for XMR? Cuz putting my money directly in there is just defeating the purpose of trying to be anonymous. Is the direct way of a KYC directly for XMR really that bad of an idea?

/u/SilverTeam P

1 points

4 months ago*

In RetoSwap you can obtain XMR for fiat and crypto currencies. If you do not have any XMR you need to look for no deposit offers.

As stated many users do not want to get linked of buying Monero on a KYC exchange. If it is really bad of an idea depends on your individual situation, threat model and jurisdiction. I assume that most would not decide to buy XMR directly from a KYC exchange.

/u/gimptrizkit

1 points

4 months ago

I don't see how xmr looks sketchy if you are also hodling nggrcoin and adolfcoin. The feds will just think you are edgy

/u/yqkXac9PqXpSjQl

1 points

4 months ago

>SO really my question is, is my ass covered enough if I do: KYC exchange -> Cake Wallet -> Feather Wallet -> DNM?
Yes, you should be good. Acquiring your monero anonymously is always the goal, but sometimes you have to be ok with acquiring coin > swapping for XMR > making your purchase from your XMR wallet.

/u/bonefire

1 points

4 months ago

Yes, you're steps are nearly correct but as others have said you don't want to buy XMR from the KYC exchange. Purchase a less sketchy asset to be safer.

To clarify, these are the steps:
-use a KYC exchange to purchase something like btc/ltc
-use a non-kyc instant exchange like changelly, fixedfloat, changenow, etc. to swap the btc into xmr (cakewallet is generally what people used)
-sending from the original xmr wallet to another fresh xmr wallet (maybe a couple times if you wanna be extra safe)
-now it is safe to send that xmr to a market

the txn fees are generally not so bad in this process, maybe you lose a couple bucks but thats a small price to pay for safety.

It will be fine to give a kyc exchange your info if you're just buying normal assets like btc/ltc - nobody will care about this.
Buying xmr though may be a bit sketchier. Yes you're generally correct though that sending it from wallet to wallet breaks the link and even though they'll know you bought xmr, they will NOT be able to trace it to a dnm.

/u/NocturnalNinja

1 points

4 months ago*

Just reposting a previous reply I made to the same question on another sub...

You can just buy BTC or LTC on a KYC platform then transfer..First thing I like to do is transfer BTC from KYC to wallet like Electrum. Then, you will need to create an XMR wallet (Feather Wallet, for example). Once you have both a BTC Wallet (electrum) and xmr wallet (feather), you can use a service like /d/FairTrade that does not require any Downloads/installation process, or you can use P2P exchanges like Haveno,Bisq, or UnstoppableSwap that do require you to download/install the platform. The difference between a swap service like FairTrade and a service like Haveno, is with Fairtrade you have no say in the conversion price. With Haveno, because this is a p2p exchange, the selling party sets the price. If you are looking at the Haveno market and dont see a price you like, you can create your own offer to buy xmr with btc and set your own price. After you have completed the swap, send the XMR to your XMR wallet (Feather). From there, you are safe to send to the market

Hope this helps! If you have any questions, feel free to reach out!

/u/haykri

1 points

4 months ago

/post/c8ead6f741db92f58c19

This is how i did it, worked, you can check if coinatmradar website.

Or else you can buy LTC via KYC and continue with the above post. I was skeptical about cash-in mail acquiring though. So after hours of reading few subdread, I did this way.

/u/mrratburn 📢

1 points

4 months ago

definitely a commendable effort, but seems like a bit much for just being a simple buyer. i think ill be fine just using a KYC and shuffling it between wallets, and obviously tails and all htat

/u/haykri

1 points

4 months ago

Don't neccessarily need to shuffling wallets, you can just buy LTC using KYC and swap it to XMR using trocador.