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Dear Buyers - Consider FE with your trusted Vendors on your next market buy : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

I just feel I need to get this off my chest. When Archetyp went down, I was lucky and my vendor sent me my package. I reached out to them on Abacus, even offered them a tip - knowing they missed out on the payment as I had not finalized. They refused, so I just made another order with them (because why not).

I did FE the day after they marked it shipped, and wasn't sure (trust noone, etc)

A few days after Abacus is having problems...

It's a rough time for vendors that got double hit in a short time - and I would not be surprised if this has been a strategy and is well timed by FE - going for number 1 - and then immediately for number 2.

So yeah, just give it a thought - if you have someone who delivered, maybe honor it and make sure they'll get their cash out next time.

(no - I'm not a vendor and not shilling - just trying to inspire a thought).

edit: Thanks for the feedbag - it's valid! - of course don't throw the steering wheel out of the car (unless you can and you're still confident of your trajectory - which is beauty!)
But yeah all us small time low quantity buyers, FE is a bit like tipping. Because you do FE with the market anyway, you might want to extend that trust to the vendor if they treated you well. For all the pros out there doing the bizness - better ignore me because I have no clue.

please excuse my naivité

/u/dontlaugh Darknet Shaman

5 points

3 weeks ago*

this is a buyer sub - stick to escrow where possible. there is no reason for us to lose that leverage over the transaction.

if you are that concerned learn to use mutlisig

/u/Tre

6 points

3 weeks ago

Fuck you and Fuck FE'ing for any vendor without FE privileges.

Escrow keeps the vendor motivated to get you, your pack in a timely manner AND offers at least some protection in the event said package doesnt arrive. As soon as the package arrives and it isn't some bullshit, you need to log on and finalize the order. End of story.

I can promise you, the minute you FE for your favorite vendor, you will be left on "label printed waiting on acceptance".

Taking losses is part of the game. Yes it sucks for vendors. It sucks for buyers but it is what it is. If the vendor was trusted enough to be paid up front they would have FE privileges.

/u/UrPal

2 points

3 weeks ago

As a vendor, I personally disagree.
It is literally in the vendor bible to recycle aliases after a while, in which case many vendors do not leave peacefully, they exit scam on their way out. A sad reality.

There's also bad batches, slow weeks, inconsistencies.
Keep your leverage, save your money.

/u/GhostO1

1 points

3 weeks ago

honorable answer

/u/CANNAMAIL

-1 points

3 weeks ago

Bootlicking bitch.

As a vendor who has lost money on 17 markets since AB1 and who has always been escrow only.

Finalize whenever you can! I lost 40K in the last few weeks. It hurts, we are not all swimming in cash. The bigger we are the bigger our obligations and expenses.

/u/AutoModerator M

1 points

3 weeks ago

Do not use SWIM or a variation of it. It stands for "Somebody who is not me" and is absolutely useless. No law enforcement agent will stop his work when he sees that you used SWIM. It only makes you look like a complete noob. Instead step up your OpSec which is far more helpful.

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/u/UrPal

1 points

2 weeks ago

"Bootlicking bitch". I'm sure your attitude is a fan favorite.
I'm not looking for votes, my listings aren't even up right now.
But I know what it's like to have a big vendor randomly decide to fuck me over or not care that day.

As for your 40k, most of these customers will never see 40k in their lives.
Some of them ordered essential medicine with their last $100.
Their spam is annoying sure, but I get it.

Almost all of my orders have to auto-finalize. So I get it, yes customers should finalize as soon as they can.
But finalizing early is just stupid and you know that.

/u/PubeyBoy

2 points

2 weeks ago

F that. What benefit does that have? There's zero reason to FE. I've had vendors who i trusted more than any who wouldve ran away with my money had I not kept that escrow valid. You never know when shits going to hit the fan. Stop peddling this bullshit. If vendors want their money asap, they can send the agreed item out asap and wait for the customer to receive it. This is a doofus who made this post.

/u/DaSnake

2 points

2 weeks ago*

As i said in another reply - I am not against FE in entirety.
Nobody thinks twice FE for Tribe_Seuss right ?
You just have to really work for that status and not having that stupid easy to gain like on some markets.
The whole point of a market is to provide some escrow mechanism safety net.
Reputable vendors also fare better on their own vendor stores but that complicates their lives with always having to stay on top of opsec on their own.

/u/gexpress

2 points

2 weeks ago

I'll never forget /u/Preview-of-Freedom hooking me up with an MXE order months after a market went down and I had written it off and ghosted, messaged them a few months later when I got back on the DNMs and noticed them around and they not only fulfilled the order but hooked me up extra. Its not the standard but there are some really good vendors out there, whether you FE with them or not is your business, I just try to take it on a case by case basis and never spend so much that it would break me to lose it which is my advice to anyone on here, only spend what you can afford because until it's in your hands and you're home there's never any guarantee even with escrow.

/u/BlackPain 🍼

1 points

3 weeks ago

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/u/ChestOxyUK

1 points

3 weeks ago

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/u/BlackPain 🍼

1 points

3 weeks ago

Need it to be shipped to Germany. I would love to buy from you!

/u/ChestOxyUK

1 points

3 weeks ago

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/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

2 points

3 weeks ago

Literally still considered advertising.

/u/GhostO1

1 points

3 weeks ago

try to buy off the superlists DNM when possible to reduce chances of being scammed

/u/ChestOxyUK

1 points

3 weeks ago

Well, we are thinking how to make business safe because too much money we lost, no one market is safe in 100%. For vendors and customers also.

best regards

/u/GhostO1

1 points

3 weeks ago

Oh I agree with you. I was speaking from a point of view of a newcomer. By the way they were asking it seems they were unsure on how things work. Find good venders on a mainstream market before going to private ones limits risk. I feel like I've seen y'all around so I personally don't have much doubt but imo it's best to be on the safe side.

Cheers,

/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

1 points

3 weeks ago

Use /d/dnmsourcing for vendor recommendations or browse the ads on /d/dnmads. We don't allow sourcing on this sub.

/u/Cx002

1 points

3 weeks ago

I totally agree, that's why next time I'll go to FE with the sellers I buy from, because like you I wasn't able to finalize my order, on abacus for my part.

as long as you have a safe seller, it's the best thing to do for them.

/u/dontlaugh Darknet Shaman

1 points

3 weeks ago

so why use a market?

/u/ChestOxyUK

1 points

3 weeks ago

Vendors avoid to make scam because of feedback even with FE.

/u/Cx002

1 points

3 weeks ago

For some sellers, it's impossible to contact them any other way, given the number of orders they place every day (I suppose). I've already tried to contact them off-market but never got a reply.

/u/ChestOxyUK

1 points

2 weeks ago

Because of markets rules. Off market contact = possible lost market customer and 5% of transaction for market.
Simple as that. Vendors do not want to risk ban of account. In the end market is going offline and customers lost plug and vendor lost customers.

Best regards

/u/Cx002

1 points

2 weeks ago

Of course, and I understand this because without the market, many people, including myself, would never have been able to get in touch with sellers, but I think that placing orders in FE with “trusted” sellers is more interesting for the seller in the event of a problem, as is the case with abacus at the moment.

/u/DrDickHead

1 points

2 weeks ago

Terrible advice. Never FE under any circumstance. It doesn't matter how long you've done business with them. No point in even using a market if you're gonna FE.

/u/Stahlkappe 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

ehm fuck no...i wont

/u/Strongdaddy

1 points

2 weeks ago*

No because they already make profits they're not dumbasses and this happens every year for the biggest market getting seized. Loss is accounted for in most business'. You will lose your package/ not know what is in it until you get it. Giving up all leverage to potentially get scammed is never intelligent. Just wait for good and finalize as soon as you get them/test them.

/u/AutoModerator M

1 points

2 weeks ago

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/u/headshotnegativity

1 points

2 weeks ago

well timed by FE..very inspiring

/u/kobaflop 📢

1 points

2 weeks ago

Finalize Enforcement. So this happens when you add anecdotal neuro-biological reagent testing to your harmreduction routine.

/u/headshotnegativity

1 points

2 weeks ago

full spectrum, you r welcome but dont FE to new vendors & dont recommand it, we got enough knuckelheads doing dumshit already..

/u/realketameme

1 points

2 weeks ago

Yeah idk as a vendor, I understand what you’re saying but the whole point of a marketplace is for the buyer to feel protected. However this could be definitely improved:

As a buyer, when your pack lands FINALIZE. Don’t wait for the auto finalization. Sometimes people will extend it by 15 days and it lands the day after now I’m waiting 2 weeks for my money because they get caught up in life and moving their product they forgot to come on and click that damn button.

If a market goes down and we loose the escrow $ (like we just dealt with and maybe dealing with again for the second time in a month) that’s the risk us vendors take. Sad but true. The best way to help us is just find us on the new markets and keep ordering. Thats all I care about tbh, fuck the money lost. Let’s keep working. That’s the best way to show a good vendor love during these shitty times