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No, I just planned to do a write up on the whole thing, which also calls out Paris unfortunately, because he was seriously manipulated by DS and talked me down over my concerns constantly.
• 8 months ago

DS truly manipulated Paris unfortunately and he knows that himself now too. If you want real, actually discussing this topic, that's what I will give you and I need to finish my AlphaBay write up, I'm just way too busy for at least the next few days.
• 1 year ago

You'll understand better once I do write up that post regarding him. I'll try next week.
• 1 year ago

FACTS:
• DeSnake was Dread's #1 Donator while market was operating
• DeSnake was privately paying https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlVHRnlhWE09#
• DeSnake manipulated https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlVHRnlhWE09# resulting in millions scammed from Dread users.
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# was suspicious of https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlJHVlRibUZyWlE9PQ==# privately after AlphaBays wallet module bugs.

Address the facts https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlVHRnlhWE09#
I believe https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# is innocent but https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlVHRnlhWE09# is incompetent at best and scammer at worst.
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# A ssassin
5 points
7 months ago

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He wasn't privately paying Paris at all and all the funds that went into the donations paid for the most ridiculously expansive fleet of servers to try and out scale the attacks.

They were friendly on an intellectual level and DS also did contribute with assistance to solutions as well as showcasing his technical knowledge which was close to Paris' level.
The argument we had, pertained to, I believed DS to be funding all of the attacks against the markets AND Dread, which Paris didn't believe because if that was the case, why would he donate to try and assist us in overcoming the attacks? This was his tool of manipulation to appear innocent.

Since I never got around to the write up, here, I'll take the time:

I had a previous history with DS a very long time ago, he was unaware of this. He is/was a Fraud vendor by trade.
All of the bullshit he came out with to suggest he was working on a decentralized market and so on was part of his manipulation of this very community, which I could see right through, if there were any issues with the market, everyone got on their knees and backed him up. "He wouldn't exit scam, he's working on a decentralized market, I trust him..." and so on. All bullshit.

Then there was the market lock down, where no one could login if his canary expired. Bullshit. That serves no valid purpose and only locked out 2FA users (the ones most likely to have funds already loaded in the market). Another tool of manipulation and desensitization, after he allowed this to occur many times and then returned to solve it, everyone then expected it to be temporary and didn't worry, users continued to deposit funds when it was the final time before he dipped out with everyone's money.

When he first returned, I was extremely inactive on Dread. I missed many situations that DS caused here, which would not have been allowed to unfold if I was here to make the decisions on it. I don't blame Paris, he was left under a lot of pressure during the DoS attacks without me to action things and believed he was making the best decisions on it at the time. One of these situations being his complaints about markets running clearnet mirror rotators, he was SO ANGRY at this, completely unrational for someone who wants things to be solved right? Huge giveaway that he was behind the attacks, he was making the complaints based on security issues to users making them go over the clearnet, when in reality that is how the majority of users reach sites, starting at a link directory. He pushed me to ban these clearnet sites and to avoid firing things up further, I strung him along and agreed that I would in a public response to him, of course I never did.

As soon as I returned, DS was extremely aggressive and frustrated by my presense. I put a stop to multiple situations he was trying to fire up and he knew I could see straight through everything, I just couldn't prove any of what I believed, so not only could I not really action anything further, but I couldn't publicly discuss it. I also became aware of his plans to launch a Dread clone platform, so his intentions were to make sure Dread was down and let his new platform grow so he could have full information control over the community, shun other markets and build a huge exit scam. Instead, when he realized Dread would be down for an extended period of time when we had to rebuild the infrastructure, he took immediate advantage of it, what better time to do it right? We were gone with absolutely zero chance of getting online, so he pulled the plug.

Paris trusted someone he shouldn't have, he was manipulated, but so was the entire community. It was the minority that could see through DS' lies. He is apologetic, he knew he was wrong the second the exit scam occurred.
/u/[deleted]
3 points
7 months ago
You didn't point out that DS worked with Mr_White which means that deep relation between /d/WhiteHouseMarket and https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlJHVlRibUZyWlE9PQ==# could or are still a thing.

Meaning that a market from today is possibly corrupted but like the wise HugBunter always say "Something that can't be solved".
They didn't work with Mr White, DS hated Mr White with a passion because he was the only market managing to stay online from the attacks and taking business from DS in that sense. I also don't believe Mr White to be involved in DrugHub but that's another thing altogether. You're talking to me as if all of this is even my responsibility, I only step into things because I have the power to, when needed, not because it SHOULD be my responsibility.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
7 months ago
HOLY SHIT.

I tought I was crazy but the fact that you said that DS didn't work with Mr_White just responded to my beliefs. You are a piece of garbage.
Or... consider this: you are wrong. I'm in a position to somewhat oversee these things, so if anyone should know the answer to any of this, it would be me.
/u/PissjugSupreme
1 points
7 months ago
The work is never over lol
/u/AncientIdai I want money
1 points
7 months ago
spell DreaT with a T cuz there's tea everywhere on here it seems
/u/DrugHub P
2 points
7 months ago*
Desnake never worked with mr_white, back in the day mr_white ordered us to take out AlphaGay for 24 hours and so we did. DS was an entitled cunt so it was a pleasure. Our team was some of the few who saw thru DS bullshit so here we are. Dread has a reliable search function so use it.

Edit: Point being if WHM would not have closed AlphaGay would have never taken off.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
7 months ago
Put some respect on AlphaBay. The legacy of Alpha02 will always be there.

Someone that has responded to my claims above said otherwise. Same for that Snake.

Thank you for saying that doing DDoS to other market is a thing for DrugHub (WHM whatever your name is).

Are you reading that /u/BigBossChefOfArchetyp or /u/SonnyCorleone?

Desnake never worked with mr_white, back in the day mr_white ordered us to take out AlphaGay for 24 hours and so we did. DS was an entitled cunt so it was a pleasure. Our team was some of the few who saw thru DS bullshit so here we are. Dread has a reliable search function so use it.

Edit: Point being if WHM would not have closed AlphaGay would have never taken off.
/u/Budn3ss
1 points
7 months ago
Lol! Alex got y'all salty in spirit form you'll never be what Alphabay was and you know it. Speedstepper forever the GOAT you're most definitely not doing numbers 5 years straight we're on here looking for DDOS man right now we got more of that money you stole to put towards extended lagtime.
/u/Shakybeats M an molester
1 points
7 months ago
Join us on next weeks episode where /u/Hugbunter and I discuss the behind the scenes, shitty things SS did. Including exit scam a shit market and let Waterchain take most of the blame.
/u/DrugHub P
1 points
7 months ago
For fuck sake you used to be a decent vendor, why don't you mind your vending and dispute resolution and leave market shit to the grownups ? I almost felt bad banning you but now I don't. When you will be begging us to take you back I will refer you to your comments. Don't bother deleting them.
/u/YosemiteWasRight 📢
1 points
7 months ago
> You didn't point out that DS worked with Mr_White which means that deep relation between /d/WhiteHouseMarket and https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlJHVlRibUZyWlE9PQ==# could or are still a thing.

Mr White paid Gustav to take Alphabay offline in the beginning of the market.

> One of these situations being his complaints about markets running clearnet mirror rotators, he was SO ANGRY at this, completely unrational for someone who wants things to be solved right?
> when in reality that is how the majority of users reach sites

Then majority of users are doing it wrong, because I'm sure you don't go to tor.taxi to get your links, and neither do i!

> I had a previous history with DS a very long time ago, he was unaware of this. He is/was a Fraud vendor by trade.

It's not a secret DS was a fraud vendor.

> he was manipulated, but so was the entire community.

Because the community trusted Paris, and Paris trusted DS.
With the clearnet sites, I was referring to the primary entry point and gateway that users follow when learning and I don't see any serious risk in doing so, unless you are completely stupid, but even then, you clicked a market link, end of session.

> It's not a secret DS was a fraud vendor.

I was more referring to that I have directly dealt with his ego many moons ago and also his talent for bending the truth.

> Because the community trusted Paris, and Paris trusted DS.

No this wasn't directly on Paris, credit where it is due, DS is a good liar for the most part and told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear. Paris had no hand in his community posts and user's reactions to that.
/u/YosemiteWasRight 📢
2 points
7 months ago
I know https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# is a flawed but good person, https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlVHRnlhWE09# is a retard and I don't trust him.
/u/DrugHub P
2 points
7 months ago*
Mr White paid Gustav to take Alphabay offline in the beginning of the market.

No. We did that ourselves, in house, and we still have great ddos capabilities.
/u/[deleted]
2 points
7 months ago
Are you reading that /u/BigBossChefOfArchetyp or /u/SonnyCorleone? (part2)

No. We did that ourselves, in house, and we still have great ddos capabilities.
/u/DrugHub P
2 points
7 months ago
Desnake was never near Paris on any level, intellectual ? No fucking way, it's like placing a stone next to a StormShadow missile.
/u/[deleted]
2 points
7 months ago
yet you got owned by him. Making you what.. an atom?

Also don't forget to pay someone to get your UI updated like you said because it's still shit /post/7837f9b8da15adcb40c9/#c-5b10e862beef76072d
/u/daftmartinatchet
1 points
7 months ago
So I sort of purposefully stay away from the behind-the-scenes stuff and the drama+FUD that comes out as part of the 'saga of the Darknet' or whatever and was only peripherally aware of the DeSnake fiasco. I was unaware how much effort both you and Paris put into keeping this community up and guarding it. Sounds like you both sweated a pint of blood keeping Dread independent of bad actors in the community, so thank you for that. We all get manipulated and trust the wrong people at times, idk how that's not a simpler answer than "there was some grand conspiracy involving DeSnake, Mr_White, and Paris to control the Darknet". Maybe Occam's Razor applies less so here, but really I think this community is just prone to coming up with conspiracies to explain things rather than facts. Idk, DeSnake never struck me as particularly trustworthy. No market admin does (though some are sketchier than others). This is the dark web. Protect yourself people.
/u/Budn3ss
0 points
7 months ago
Cap..
/u/lilcave
2 points
7 months ago
No one give a fuck about what you say! Change your name to /u/Yosemitetrashtalk 📢
/u/YosemiteWasRight 📢
1 points
7 months ago
I believe https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# is innocent but https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlVHRnlhWE09# is incompetent at best and scammer at worst.
/u/footsteps 🌈 Nazi 🌈
6 points
7 months ago
How and why do you believe this affects anybody here, even if it were remotely true?
/u/developerdude
1 points
7 months ago
The best reply to this whole thread, no one really cares
/u/Heinous
1 points
7 months ago*
I called DS out years ago for being a piece of shit and got banned from half the subs here for spreading fud. It was sharkybeats though not paris. Looks like my intuition was correct...
/u/kopstadrugs
1 points
7 months ago
Hey I was vending on AB when https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlJHVlRibUZyWlE9PQ==# pulled the exit,
Does any adult we experienced the AB exit & used DREAD really believe that Dread didnt work with its number 1 investor DeSnake to insure the exit scam was as large as possible? Dread you stood down and allowed your number one investor (BTW there is no such thing as "donations theres investments for profits) to pull the exit scam.

BUT ive got nothing but love for Dread & https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# because truth is that they like of all us are crims, we all take risks and expect rewards... https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1ZEdWeQ==# would get jailed for life if he was ever doxxed so I dont frown upon him for doing what he did, it was just business in the crim world.
No the truth is that we were offline and panicking with not enough funds to even rebuild the infrastructure, our "biggest investor" was nowhere to be seen once he got what he really wanted for us to be out of the picture. At EVERY opportunity I have done everything to try and ease the problems during an exit scam and its all I will ever do. We took the servers down at the end of November and he decided to pull the exit at the end of December/early January, shortly after I made comments on Reddit predicting we needed at least a month or 2 to get everything back up and running.

I fucking hated DS to no end and predicted everything he was planning, but with no proof and extreme arguments between me and Paris which came to the point of me wanting to just quit the platform, that is the extent this went to. I didn't trust him whatsoever and didn't profit from him. All funds during the DoS attacks we literally wasted in attempts to continue scaling against the attacks with no real solution in sight which is why I resorted to building Daunt.

If you believe I am profiting from any of this, then you don't know me or anything I have done here.
/u/Shakybeats M an molester
1 points
7 months ago*
There was a lot of tension then. I've never said this, but there was a few times I almost walked away. I remember feeling like I was caught between both for you. I thought one of you would walk away, and start a different forum. I was waiting for the day I was forced to choose a side, and that's something I refused to do.
/u/CrimeMinster
1 points
7 months ago
Could we pass the hat to find him?
/u/CrimeMinster
1 points
7 months ago
Damn right still waiting for some closer from Alphabay those..Like you attiude
I like to think I am a good judge of character and https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlVHRnlhWE09# has never struck me as a scammer or a person of ill intention, not once, but I can definitely see and give weight to the ability for someone of having a superior ability to manipulate him, definitely. And it pains me to even say that of DeSnake, as he is, was and will always be, a blatant, obvious, shit talking faggot.

So confused how anyone could not immediately see through his shit. Amazes me how dumb the majority of users on Dread are. Dread clearly needed the funds that faggot was investing to grow the platform, keep it online, and Paris, for the greater good of Dread, allowed that to blind him and ultimately allow DeSnake to wreck him in the process.

DeSnake played Dread like a finely tuned guitar, it is what it is.
I also believe HB stating he knew what was up with DS but couldn’t prove it so he said nothing or decided not to act, to be disingenuous as I’ve seen him, in similar situations act immediately, at least imo. How HB handled the situation to me looks shady at best, and probably had his own motives for doing so, whether by the funds being received by DS… but that should have been the biggest and most immediate red flag..
/u/Tre
-1 points
7 months ago
You've been going on about this for awhile.

Because Paris misplaced his trust does not mean he's a scammer. He fucked up. It happens sometimes. Everyone knows he regrets it. What more is there to say