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Do You Guys Who Sell H Ever Feel Bad/Guilty : murderhomelesspeople | Torhoo darknet markets

absolutely no disrespect to you guys and honestly if i could i would definetaly sell opiates, high profits and returning customers etc.

But do you guys ever feel bad or guilty when seeing people slowly turn into addicts or even addicts who get worse. And also seeing people in really rough situations spend all their money on dope with their lifes falling apart.

Maybe you feel ba or maybe u dont idk just would like a little insight :)
/u/digidy
3 points
5 years ago*
Been a H and Crack user for many a year. And Ive found mainly 2 types of H dealer.

First is the common one, thats strung out themselves, have been for years, and really have no recognition of who they sell to. They need to sell to get their fix. Simple as that. No qualms about who they sell to.
They will sell until they get another Prison sentences, and come out selling again. And the chain just goes on and on.
No interest in changing.

The second type are different. They are a much younger breed, They start when they are 15 or so, and have big plans for their future enterprise.
And they never touch the stuff themselves. Never.
Their Mother is either dead from drugs, or infected. Their father is either dead, ran off, or infected. And they were probably brought up by Aunts or much older Sisters/Brothers.
And their opinion is it killed my family, so why the fuck should I care what it does to anyone else's. Im gonna make every penny I can from it.
Funnily enough these guys are usually the most loyal and decent kids you'll find. They were just dealt a shitty hand in life, and know fuck all else.
And they would think twice about who they sell too. They arent animals.
They will probably spend the next 30+ years going in and out of prison. But they know that. Thats all they know.
/u/Iphul 📢
2 points
5 years ago
i know alot of people like the second type and the thing is they care genuinley amazing and the most trustworthy people. I just personally couldnt deal with the moral impact of knowing that i am hurting these people and knowing that i am selling them the stuff that will most likely kill them. But hey no disrespect shops who sell cigarettes are just as guilty.
/u/digidy
1 points
5 years ago
Well Ive sold a lot of shit in my day. But H and Crack Ive never sold. Wouldnt inflict that on anyone.
Which is ironic because its what left me fucked.

But those guys that sell when they are young, they grew up with it, were surrounded by it, and now maybe they feel its their turn to get repaid. I kinda get it. It took their childhood.
But its a pity, because some of them have so much potential to do other things. But when they voice their opinion the rest of the group are calling them pussy and bitch, and it puts them off aspiring to be anything else.
10-15 years later and I still seem them the odd time. None of them hang out together, unless its doing business. Over half the group are locked up at any one time, and they are constantly feuding.
At least 3 of them are dead. Car Chase, Shooting, and possible a stabbing or shooting.

But none of them planned past their early twenties. Ill still say they were good kids.
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
Fuck man i know its a big cycle. the thing is these guys are natural entrepreneurs and they would be a great asset to any business or even to start their own. But hey, thats just life i guess
/u/Bigballsacc241
1 points
5 years ago
Why should you feel bad about giving someone a drug that they want to ingest? No matter how bad it is. Its their choice.
Im really curious to hear your reasoning why you think the people who sell deadly substances are somehow guilty of the bad choices the user makes.
/u/dreadoralive
1 points
5 years ago
I'm also of this belief.
If they dont get it from dealer #1 they will from dealer #2.
Now if you're tricking people into trying drugs and getting them addicted unknowingly then yeah you're an asahole but selling drugs to fully willing adults? I dont really see the fault
/u/dash44
1 points
5 years ago
I think a decent argument that can be made regarding the immorality of selling heroin is that in the US about 75% of people who start using heroin started off with synthetic opiates, and many of those people were normal, hardworking individuals who got hooked after being prescribed too much oxy for a broken leg or whatever. Kinda makes me think fuck big pharma and doctors for overprescribing painkillers but the other side of me understands that a hustle is a hustle, so I can't hate on them for dealing drugs while I'm also slanging as much as possible.
/u/dash44
1 points
5 years ago
That being said this only applies to opiates tho, if you're selling meth or crack there's no way to "accidentally" get addicted to those, so if you're a crackhead of a meth fiend that's on you and Imma make bank selling dope to your addicted ass
/u/Bigballsacc241
1 points
5 years ago
Haha for real dog
/u/dreadoralive
1 points
5 years ago
Ayye you're the guy from the empire market post earlier, right? Whatsup man?? Lol
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
ayyy. And no i absolutley agree but ya know personally i just couldnt deal with seeing people in that state after past family members dieing from h and just the state that i saw them in i wouldnt be able to personally do it. But hey thats why i asked :)
/u/dreadoralive
1 points
5 years ago
I get that perspective as well, personally I dont sell it either but I've always been of the belief it's the users choice. Although, with a drug so addictive it sometimes isnt their "choice".
It's hard to pick sides on this topic lol
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
ye man thats why i asked like to me personally i couldnt deal with it but fair enough to whoever does
/u/digidy
1 points
5 years ago
Exactly. They dont get a great start in life. Most have to leave school by 14 or so.
Then they are primed by older guys to bring in some cash. And when you have nothing, that cash is tempting.
But then they get dragged into bigger crimes, and the years drag on.
Eventually they get their first Conviction, which ruins their job prospects.
And its all downhill from there.

All because their parents chose to pick up a syringe 10-15 years before.

One of the kids that was shot was killed because he held on to the guns used in another hit. He didnt even do the Hit, or know who the gun was for. But through process of connection, he was taken out.
There were 2 other local guys around the same age, but from a different group that both got shot, all because they were giving lifts to members of feuding gang members.
They were nice kids and had nothing to do with anything. They probably got a bit of Coke or Weed for giving the lifts.
But that seems to be the mentality of this younger breed. They want to be Feuding all the time. Its like it gives them status or something.

In my day everyone kept to their own, and the last thing anyone wanted was shots fired. Because that brought LE. Everything was sorted with a straightner, and then do a deal that everyone made something from in future.
Then you didnt spend your days looking over your shoulder, and the cash constantly flowed.
/u/Iphul 📢
2 points
5 years ago
i know i hate seeing people get shot for very unworthy reasons especially in the uk it happens all the time. Just dont see why they shoot people 99.9% of the time the person who fired the shot is arrested the same day.
/u/entheoBob
3 points
5 years ago*
I rarely sell opioids because 1. they attract law enforcement + social disdain, and 2. I don't personally care for them (they often nauseate me).

Whenever I have sold them, I apply the same rules to my customers of other drugs -- I won't allow drug dependency. If I discover it, my service is no longer available to them. Shitshows are not allowed per my policy. I'm not knowingly going to fuel someone's self-destruction through drug abuse. I preach, practice, and require harm reduction techniques and knowledge.

I'm not real stringent about this, either, mind you. You have to be really fucking up before I cut you off. I've sold coke, meth, molly, ketamine, 2C-B, DMT, mushrooms, acid, etc. and have had repeat customers every week for years, but nothing seems to cause the breakdown in functionality like opiates do. Functional users typically are only marginally functional and only one minor financial disaster away from becoming desperate and dope sick.

However, even carrying this anti-drug-abuse/no-shitshow policy, it's not been worth the trouble and risk for me. The profits are slim and I've had to cut people off every time because of the above policy. This isn't good for business and can even build resentment. Last thing I want is for some strung-out, grudge-bearing asshole to drop a kite or flip evidence on me, so I had to lie and tactfully cut people off without their specific knowledge that's what I was doing. It gets stressful, so I stopped selling heavier opiates years ago, and only occasionally have vicodins or percs, plus I only sell them to people who have proven they know how to use them responsibly.

Your mileage may vary.

Answering your question directly: yes, I've felt badly enough selling heroin in the past that I no longer sell it. To me, there's a giant ethical dilemma in profiting from someone else's drug dependency and compulsive behavior pattern disorder. (I don't like the term "addiction", the etymology of which means "spoken for"; hence the "diction" part of "addiction").
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
hey thanks for the reply and ye ive also sold a few grams of molly and some lsd here and there ya know just to make a small profit mostley to friends etc. At the same time there was certain people that i wouldnt sell lsd to especially my friends who wanted to buy who i know is very careless when it comes to drugs and was also in a very bad plae at that time. didnt want to be the one responsible if his trip took a dark path as hed been suicidal before.
But thanks for the reply and all the best in the future :)
/u/supcap
3 points
5 years ago
I see something like this post every month or so on any given drug/dnm forum and I always think up the same answer:

What makes you think the dealers are hurting these people?

I've been a heroin addict for over a decade now, and the god's honest truth is that neither drugs nor dealers are giving these people any pain. The people who use these may get themselves into shitty situations and that causes them pain, but opiates and most other drugs are used as a style of self-medication. Depressed? I promise you for that first hour after a shot you won't be.

These people were in pain and hurting long before the drugs. And until we/they confront and deal with that pain, there's nothing that's gonna change that, especially not one single dealer going down. At the end of the day all that does is force you to look for other sources--such as the DNM's.

Just a user's 2c
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
True and i get that. Just personaly seeing these people who are in so much pain and have so many problems in their life that i wish i could fix. and although i have respect for the dealers etc i couldnt sell them the drugs that further stop them from dealing with their trauma and problems
/u/supcap
1 points
5 years ago
They'd just become alcoholics or find another addiction. Unless you're a medical psychological professional, you cannot help these people. Even then.
/u/itsherschel
1 points
5 years ago
I second that
/u/Cesterkid1392
1 points
5 years ago
Not H but oxy. Small group of people. Half my people have scripts themselves and need to supplement. I sniped a lot of my custies from some chick that was middling fent presses to these people and often ripping them off left and right. Since oxy is so rare, if I didn't provide, they would be right back to pressies. Oxy attracts a slightly different group of people than H even though its still an opi. A few of my people are elite class business types. Basically for a few people money is not an issue so their use doesn't really have consequences. The only issue with using opis is running out of money, thats what leads to the desperation, law breaking, etc... Couple of my people are broke, but they are the type that will just be dopesick at home and not go ruin their lives over it.

I certainly understand the point of this post tho. Defintly something to think about, but what about benzos? Xans is super popular amongst the folks here, and those WDs are actually deadly. Opiate WD is just a flu on steroids. Abruptly stop benzos and you can seize and die, not to mention the reckless bartard shit such as crashing cars. Also a lot of people become kleptomaniacs when they are blacked out on bars. Just another thought to add to the discussion.
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
Exatly i agree benzos are oftenoverlooked and not compared to herion when in fact they can be worse. Where im from theres a massive problem with valium and this has further worsened the herion problem.

Im also not from US and dont think that oxy is as big here but ya never know could just be that i don know enough

thanks for the reply and all the best :)
/u/Bigballsacc241
1 points
5 years ago
As a small time dealer just trying to make some easy money while doing school, I choose not to sell benzos/opiates. Its not worth the risk.

As someone mentioned, it attracts LE and all my friends look down on people who sell them. I care about the former much more than the latter. Im trying to make a few thousand and get a normal job in the future, not trying to live off my drug money.
So I stick to weed, psychedelics and occasionally coke and molly.
Weed is easy since im in a place where LE doesn't really care about weed dealers, i feel pretty safe selling to my regular returning customers who have good things going for them, there is really no chance they will get caught up and rat on me.
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
Very intersting mate all the best and stay safe :)
/u/Disposable
1 points
5 years ago
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/u/Bigballsacc241
1 points
5 years ago
Where I live, selling weed is a misdemeanor, which means its basically a few hundred usd fine, and thats it.

I am worried about undercovers, for that, there are none searching to bust weed dealers in my area. The undercovers here try to bust big Heroin, Meth and coke dealers.
/u/Bigballsacc241
1 points
5 years ago
Should people who sell alcohol and fast food feel bad for all the problems caused by the substances they sell? IMO, i dont think so.
These people choose to ingest substances whether it be caffine, alcohol, sugar, fast food, or crack. Its all addictive and most of it can fuck you up.
I dont look down on anyone who sells anything. Its honest work. Providing a service that people want to pay for.
/u/Iphul 📢
1 points
5 years ago
Honestly im the same id never look down on a h dealer or anything unless they were putting it into other things without customers knowing. Just that personally i couldnt do it

thanks for the reply and all the best :)
/u/pachoherrera12
1 points
5 years ago
I sell in bulk to smaller dealers. Those people are shit heads who dont care about who they sell to. I personally dont care
/u/Iphul 📢
2 points
5 years ago
fair enough my friend, all the best :)
/u/Sd1218
1 points
5 years ago
Everyone has a choice, I dont think dealers should be blamed for an OD. It's different when a plug sells a product but lie about what it is/ what it's cut with. The fact remains, users have the choice to consume the drug or not to, and should always do test doses and be careful in general knowing that the high they are after is possibly deadly.
/u/baghdadrasputin
1 points
5 years ago
IMO there is karmic debt when dealing with substances such as H. Destroying someones life in such a massive way surely will not leave you unscathed. That why people need to be picky on what they sell and who they sell too. Your may not care that you destroying there life but i bet you would if you realized the damage you are inflicting on to yourself.
/u/theboiboi
1 points
5 years ago
yes.......