Does everyone eventually get caught? : DarknetMarketsNoobs | Torhoo darknet markets
Sure you may be fine for the first 2, 5, 10 orders but eventually, the feds gonna come bursting through your door am I right? I dunno this whole thing seems way too complicated and risky. Seems to me you're better off taking your chances IRL
I can tell you in the small city I used to buy heroin in that I became a "known addict" from my plates being recorded at dope spots over and over. Local cops will try to grab you to see if youll flip on your dealer. When I was in jail almost every street dealer in there was there because a customer ratted them out. Dont be that guy btw, jail isnt as bad as you might think it is. Its boring, but not really scary. Say I dont know what your talking about and ask for a lawyer.
Not to mention other addicts plotting to rob me because they see me buy $200 of dope everyday
Compare that to the darkweb. They dont care about the customers, because they cant tell them anything about the dealers. Not to mention they have to catch me. Unless a vendor saves addresses, the only risk is if someone opens the package. Opening USPS mail, in a legal sense, is a HUGE pain in the ass. Then, prove I ordered it. Maybe someone hates me and sent me a few grams of heroin to jam me up. "Reasonable doubt" is a fucking magical thing. And there needs to be a return investment on time on their end. Spending 100k of state money to build a case and get warrants to kick down a door for $300 worth of drugs that were for personal use isnt worth it. You can only kick in so many doors, they want those to be social media photo ops to say "look we took 2 gazillion pounds of fentanyl (and the cash and guns that go with it) off the local market, your children are safe"
nah, if your OPSEC is air tight and you're ordering personal amounts you will always be fine, that is if you're in USA. when i was a buyer i used to order every week for a long time. go with good OPSEC vendors and don't use fake names and shit, you have plausible deniability if its one package each time to each address. anyone can mail anything to anyone.
just stick to 1 order to one address at a time and you will be fine, not sure how it is outside of USA.
No need to worry about personal amounts orders in usa.
If you are ordering big amounts like half a kilo or a kilo, don't send to your house. Set up a mail drop.
It's so much more risky to buy drugs IRL. I absolutely hate driving with drugs, picking up drugs from dealers that might be already under surveillance by the police, etc... many more risk factors involved with picking up IRL. Not to mention, a lot of the street dealers that I've dealt with are straight up cartel mexicans/hondurans. They can be serious assholes, hard to understand, unreliable, and just fucking annoying in general. Not to say that I haven't also dealt with very professional and dependable foreigners that do their job well in an organized fashion - but the fact is it's still more risky.
Like another poster said, in general the feds that are spending time and resources to do these investigations on the dark web to bust people really are typically not going to give a fuck about people who are buying personal amounts. The only reason that I would think they'd bother to fuck with you as a DNM buyer purchasing personal use amounts is if they think they can use you as a tool to get to a bigger fish. And the way the DNMs operate, most of the time we customers aren't really of any use when it comes to helping the feds climb the ladder. They can just pose as a customer and do the same exact thing that we do.
Buying on the DNMs is just superior in nearly every way 95% of the time when in a typical users shoes. There's no doubt about that.
This brings up a thought I've had for a while. I see myself using mdma a few times a few times a year for the forseeable future. I'm always in conflict to whether I should order a little bit, once a year. Or, enough that will last me like 10 years, so I'm just about one-and-done.
I can't figure out which would be the safer method. Especially since 10 years worth for me is still is only like 20g
if everyone got caught there would be many many more arrests related to dark net online. I know more people getting caught with small amounts in person vs online.
As a buyer or vendor? Buyers that follow the opsec bible and aren't morons will likely never run into any issues, even if a pack gets seized (assuming its personal use amount). Now that's not to say the vendor you purchased from isn't a high priority target for LE. If that's the case and you find yourself getting a knock on the door, they will likely use your account to climb the ladder to locate the vendor. From what I've seen, this is rare, and when it does happen, it doesn't necessarily mean you're getting charged for a 1g bag or 10 pills for example. Don't get me wrong, buyers have gotten charges in this same scenario. Many factors always in motion. Best to stay smart and do as much research on any vendors your considering working with.
As for IRL vs DNM purchases, hands down DNM purchases are far safer. It can seem like quite the opposite initially but keep in mind DNM busts are very time consuming and require loads of resources. Plus they're still relatively new to the whole ecosystem of vending, whereas IRL busts have been going down for decades, such a higher gamble especially if you're not originally from that area or do not personally know the vendor.
I felt more comfortable receiving something to a drop than on the way back home with the parcel. Of course the police might watch the drop, but if you visit the drop at a not busy hour it is quite easy to notice something fishy.
When ordering to my house I pretty much only worry about the vendor saving my address. This has happened a few times in the past as you can read on the internet (Shiny Flakes is an example).
It is not impossible that he gets profiled and you order during that time, but this is very unlikely.
This scenery is probably as likely as to get caught by the police while buying drugs locally at your dealer's house, but he gets raided while you hang there.
They get the chance of having a lower sentence or less jail time. The police don't look for someone that bought 3g of weed once on those lists. But some People that frequently ordered multiple kilos will be fucked from A to Z.
It's basically just online-snitching. Always order to a drop. A traphouse, a junkies home, a empty house. Look for them on Zillow if you're in the US. Paste over the doorbell sign with the name you're receiving the parcel in and put a note on the door "Coming back later. Just put Packages on the porch".
This should do the Job and save your ass as best as possible. Buying IRL is WAY more risky. You have the risk of being scammed, jumped, being in the middle of a raid, and so on.
Even if I was buying kilos id choose the darkweb over IRL. Buying a kilo locally you get pulled over your fucked, theres no way out of that. Not to mention if they were watching the place. But i'd be much more concerned about another customers watching the dudes house for people making buys and then following them home. Id be way more worried about them. At least the cops probably wont shoot you.
If you get busted with a kilo in the mail they still have to connect the buy to you. Maybe someone sent it to the wrong address. Maybe its an ex that hates me. Prove it. Theres a slight chance you'll get out of it unless they were inside the market and watching all the transactions.
Yes! You have a WAY better chance in court if you get caught when receiving a package.
I can send my old teacher a brick and he won't be automatically get locked up.
We have 2023, you have to go with the time. Working online is way safer nowadays.
Making a kilo meetup is a WHOLE different thing then just buying it with escrow from a trusted vendor.
possible reasons (in rough order of probability, IMO):
- laziness
- kept as a "mailing list" to send updates to past customers at a future date
- to attempt to blackmail past customers
- thinking it would give them leverage if they get caught
No, People really overestimate how much LE care about personal buyers. 1 : they don't really care about your small orders. 2 if you ordered with good opsec its hard to prove you actually ordered the item and 3 : most police don't have the resources or time to burst through doors of people ordering.
They want vendors and big buyers. I would never go back to IRL. More expensive , a lot will try to short you and quality is no where near as good as the darknet
thats something ou dont think about. when you in the game its always a chance you may be caught. fuck that shit get as much money as you can to get yourself out of the pickle nah mean.
I can tell you in the small city I used to buy heroin in that I became a "known addict" from my plates being recorded at dope spots over and over. Local cops will try to grab you to see if youll flip on your dealer. When I was in jail almost every street dealer in there was there because a customer ratted them out. Dont be that guy btw, jail isnt as bad as you might think it is. Its boring, but not really scary. Say I dont know what your talking about and ask for a lawyer.
Not to mention other addicts plotting to rob me because they see me buy $200 of dope everyday
Compare that to the darkweb. They dont care about the customers, because they cant tell them anything about the dealers. Not to mention they have to catch me. Unless a vendor saves addresses, the only risk is if someone opens the package. Opening USPS mail, in a legal sense, is a HUGE pain in the ass. Then, prove I ordered it. Maybe someone hates me and sent me a few grams of heroin to jam me up. "Reasonable doubt" is a fucking magical thing. And there needs to be a return investment on time on their end. Spending 100k of state money to build a case and get warrants to kick down a door for $300 worth of drugs that were for personal use isnt worth it. You can only kick in so many doors, they want those to be social media photo ops to say "look we took 2 gazillion pounds of fentanyl (and the cash and guns that go with it) off the local market, your children are safe"