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Either Witchman05 or SamCulper has been a confidental police informant since at least 2018 : CafeDread | Torhoo darknet markets

which played a big part in WilliamGibsons arrest.

Also feds scraped 2 million Dread entries to link other accounts to him, finding two unique words only his accounts (CyberPhreak & MrCeline) were using. Also he fucked up in several instances, including:

* ordering William Gibson Merch - Feds were consulting certain (legal) vendors for that in America

Edit:: 100% SamCulper confirmed
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
3 points
2 months ago
Beginning in approximately November 2019, a confidential source cooperating with law enforcement began working as a salaried employee of Versus in various roles of increasing responsibility. The confidential source's duties included, among other things, vetting the qualifications of sellers wishing to sell drugs on Versus, mediating disputes between buyers and sellers, and responding to messages submitted by marketplace users. This confidential source remained a Versus moderator until the marketplace ceased operations in May 2022.

The confidential source worked directly with an individual who used the aliases “William Gibson” and “PapaLegba.” “William Gibson” identified himself in private statements to the confidential source and in public messages as one of the co-founders of Versus. For example, around May 2022, after a hacker claimed to have found a vulnerability in Versus, “William Gibson” publicly announced the decision to shut down Versus on a website. In the public message, “William Gibson” wrote, “Once we identified the vulnerability, we were at a crossroads: rebuild and come back stronger (as we had done before) or bow out gracefully. After much consideration, we have decided on the latter. We built Versus from nothing and operated it for 3 years.”

“William Gibson” communicated with the Confidential Source, among other things, through an encrypted messaging application and the messaging feature of the Versus platform. The same individual who used the handle “William Gibson” in the Versus messaging system corresponded with the Confidential Source through an encrypted messaging application, relying on the fact that “William Gibson” used the Versus messaging feature to provide the Confidential Source with a unique ID—a sequence of letters and numbers—so that the Confidential Source could identify and communicate with this same individual on the encrypted messaging application.

The user of these aliases performed multiple different operational roles at Versus. “William Gibson” was the public face of Versus, whose goal was to promote the marketplace. When Versus was a relatively new marketplace, “William Gibson” posted about Versus on a dark web forum to promote the marketplace and respond to user concerns, criticisms, and requests for help about Versus. “William Gibson” was in charge of marketing and developing a business plan for Versus. William Gibson purchased advertisements for Versus on dark web forums and instructed the Confidential Source to hire staff whose responsibilities would be to promote Versus on this same dark web forum.
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
1 points
2 months ago
Based on his review of information from the confidential source and law enforcement authorities on the Versus platform, “William Gibson” handled Versus’s daily tasks, such as responding to ticket requests, resolving disputes between customers and sellers, and reviewing seller requests. Tickets were generated by users, who requested assistance from Versus staff with their issues. These issues were often technical and involved, for example, how to complete transactions or make payments on the platform. Dispute resolution typically involved issues between sellers and customers in which, for example, a seller failed to ship narcotics as promised, shipped substandard narcotics, or sold a customer stolen credentials that were invalid. Sellers filed requests for exemption from a requirement that they pay a non-refundable bond to sell products on Versus, and “William Gibson” reviewed those requests.

Sometime shortly after May 3, 2020, “William Gibson” delegated responsibility for these tasks to Versus staff, but even then, he recommended how the requests should be resolved. For example, the Confidential Source had numerous conversations with “William Gibson” about how to adjudicate disputes and vendor requests. On or about February 13, 2021, “William Gibson” recommended to the Confidential Source how to handle a dispute when the client alleged that an order of 10 kilograms of amphetamines had been filled with sugar as a counterfeit product.

“William Gibson” created and sold a system for sellers to purchase advertising space for their products on Versus, in addition to taking other steps to promote the use of Versus to sell illegal goods. For example, on June 13, 2021, “William Gibson” explained to the Confidential Source that he had just given free advertising space on Versus to a “wholesale” seller because “that’s exactly the type of seller we’re looking for” on Versus. Based on my training and experience, “William Gibson’s” extensive interactions with the Confidential Source, and the terms “William Gibson” used to advertise Versus to potential sellers on black market forums, I believe that a “wholesale” seller is a seller who sells significant quantities of illegal drugs.

The virtual currency wallets associated with Versus traded cryptocurrency valued at millions of US dollars. For example, four Bitcoin wallets received bonus payments from vendors, commission fees, and were used to pay the confidential source's salary, negotiated at approximately 92 Bitcoins. These four wallets do not represent the total number of Bitcoin wallets trading cryptocurrency on behalf of Versus. However, depending on the value of the Bitcoin, the 92 Bitcoins represent up to $5,895,728 US dollars.

According to the confidential source and legally obtained screenshots of Versus platform activities, “William Gibson” handled the day-to-day operations of the Versus website. These responsibilities included reviewing and approving potential sellers and resolving complaints where, for example, sellers failed to ship drugs as promised, shipped substandard drugs, or sold stolen credentials that did not perform as advertised. For example, as described in paragraph 22, on or about February 13, 2021, “William Gibson” oversaw the resolution of a dispute in which a customer alleged that an order for 10 kilograms of amphetamines had been filled with counterfeit product.
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
1 points
2 months ago
The law enforcement investigation also revealed that “William Gibson” hired, organized, supervised, managed, and paid multiple individuals operating Versus through a series of recurring Monero and Bitcoin transactions. “William Gibson” paid the Confidential Source in Monero and explained that “William Gibson” paid wages in Monero to evade identification by law enforcement. On April 7, 2021, “William Gibson” told the Confidential Source about a Versus employee’s request to be paid weekly instead of monthly, and “William Gibson” explained to the Confidential Source that the reason he pays employees monthly is because he “launders the coins a [sic] few times a month.” “William Gibson,” he added, “we don’t pay in [Bitcoin] so we don’t leave any traces. That’s good for you because you get already cleaned coins and you don’t have to worry about that and it’s good for the market in general not trusting someone else to clean your coins for you.” “William Gibson” further told the confidential source, “I mean I would totally trust you to keep it safe but this guy will 100% screw up if I send him dirty [Bitcoin], which would get him caught or at least expose him, which in turn poses a threat to the entire operation.”

Finally, “William Gibson” designed a forum used to communicate on Versus, decided which products and services could be sold on Versus, directly mediated disputes involving buyers who claimed they had not received the narcotics they tried to purchase through Versus, and developed the multi-signature escrow system used to ensure sales payments could be confidently sold on the marketplace. “William Gibson” knew that Versus existed to facilitate the sale of illegal goods. On January 9, 2021, “William Gibson” told the Confidential Source how “William Gibson” feared that Versus had been discovered so he shut down the network before realizing there was “nothing to worry about,” but that he preferred to cause a “false alert rather than feel stupid in prison for not doing something.”

Between approximately November 2019 and May 2022, while SCHMITZ operated and promoted Versus with his co-conspirators, law enforcement seized approximately 2.6 kilograms of heroin ordered and shipped through Versus. Additionally, in or about September 2020, law enforcement's investigation revealed that a Versus customer had ordered seven grams of heroin for delivery to an address in the United States. On another occasion, in May 2022, a seller used Versus to offer for sale a quarter of a kilogram of cocaine for delivery from one location in the United States to another location in the United States. The buyer in this transaction paid 33 Monero, of which approximately 1.13 Monero was a commission paid to Versus. The law enforcement investigation also revealed that, around September 2020, multiple transactions occurred through Versus in which stolen credit card information was sold for cryptocurrency, and multiple identification documents were purchased through Versus, including images of legitimate U.S. passports and driver's licenses. For example, on or about October 13, 2020, an undercover law enforcement officer used Versus to purchase a list of U.S. credit card data and a separate list of scans of official government identification documents, such as U.S. passports and driver's licenses.
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
1 points
2 months ago
This investigation has developed multiple layers of evidence that have identified “William Gibson” as SCHMITZ, who is believed to have lived in Colombia since at least 2022, and likely earlier.

First, law enforcement authorities established this connection based on a comparison of statements made by “William Gibson” on a dark web forum and identified identical and unique terms used by another nickname, or alias, that law enforcement authorities have connected to SCHMITZ. For example, law enforcement analyzed approximately two million posts on a dark web forum and determined that two specific words, which are terms that appear in a fictional trilogy to which “William Gibson” frequently referenced, were used by only three users: “William Gibson,” “CypherPhreak,” and “MrCeline.” Both “CypherPhreak” and “MrCeline” are believed to have been created or controlled by SCHMITZ based on the results of further law enforcement investigation.

Second, shortly after “William Gibson” told the Confidential Source that he was going to use a new online moniker, “PapaLegba,” SCHMITZ, using an online account in his real name, purchased merchandise identified as “Papa Legba.” Specifically, on or about May 24, 2022, “William Gibson” contacted the Confidential Source using the moniker “PapaLegba” and instructed the Confidential Source to contact him through this new moniker. Based on records obtained from an online merchant, law enforcement authorities learned that SCHMITZ used an account registered in his real name to purchase a Papa Legba-themed pendant on June 13, 2022, with a credit card in his real name.

Third, law enforcement obtained a search warrant for email accounts (Account 1 and Account 2) hosted with a U.S. service provider (Provider 1). Authorities determined that Account 1 and Account 2 were used by Schmitz because, among other things, they contained emails addressed to Schmitz in his real name, and Account 2 was also used to register an account with a cryptocurrency exchange in Schmitz's real name, using Schmitz's German passport number C2GNZ8K95 to verify his identity.

Provider-1 notified U.S. authorities that, on or about November 3, 2023, Provider-1 notified the user of Account-1 that the provider had received and responded to legal process related to the account after the expiration of a nondisclosure order. The results of the criminal search warrants directed at Account-1 and Account-2 revealed that approximately two weeks later, on or about November 18, 2023, the user of Account-2 sent an email message containing only the name of a book; the name of that book contains the online nickname the Confidential Source used to communicate with William Gibson in its title. Furthermore, on November 18, 2023, Schmitz stopped communicating with the Confidential Source using the nicknames “William Gibson” and “PapaLegba.” Based on my training and experience, I believe Schmitz believed he was under investigation for his activities at Versus based on the November 3, 2024, notification from Vendor-1, and that he had identified the confidential source as a government agent.
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
1 points
2 months ago
Fourth, law enforcement authorities have identified at least two cryptocurrency transactions that support the conclusion that SCHMITZ had transferred cryptocurrency from a personal account registered in SCHMITZ's real name to be used by "William Gibson" to make the Confidential Source's salary payments for the Confidential Source's work at Versus. For example, on or about April 15, 2021, a currency exchange account registered in SCHMITZ's real name received exactly 15 Moneros worth of cryptocurrency. On or about April 17, 2021, "William Gibson" told the Confidential Source that he would receive his monthly salary "today or tomorrow." On or about April 20, 2021, the Confidential Source received exactly 15 Moneros worth of cryptocurrency into a wallet that the Confidential Source had provided to "William Gibson." Based on my training and experience, I believe that SCHMITZ likely transferred Monero cryptocurrency from a Versus wallet to a wallet under SCHMITZ's personal control on or about April 15, 2021, to reimburse himself for salary costs that SCHMITZ had subsequently paid to the Confidential Source.

Fifth, law enforcement authorities have identified numerous connections between “William Gibson” statements to the confidential source and themes, names, and accounts used by SCHMITZ. Among many other examples, “William Gibson” frequently referred to characters or themes from a particular author’s fictional publications in conversations with the confidential source. U.S. authorities lawfully obtained information from U.S. service providers that revealed purchases delivered to, or information stored on, accounts used by SCHMITZ in his real name and/or delivered to his residence in Colombia that are books by or related to this author. Additionally, U.S. authorities have identified a social media account identified by a username that is one of the characters in these fictional works, believed to be used by SCHMITZ, based on the fact that this social media account follows the account of a known Colombian associate of SCHMITZ, which contains photographs of this associate and SCHMITZ together.

Sixth, information obtained in response to lawfully obtained criminal search warrants issued by the United States has identified numerous connections between statements made by “William Gibson” and actions taken by Schmitz. For example, on one particular date, “William Gibson” informed the confidential source that he would not be available for communication because he was leaving in a few hours and would be available in a week. U.S. authorities have reviewed information lawfully obtained from Provider-1, which reveals that an account used by Schmitz contained a travel itinerary for a trip scheduled to depart the day after the above statement and return in approximately one week.
/u/root P "no more flair" flair
1 points
2 months ago
For example, on or about April 15, 2021, a currency exchange account registered in SCHMITZ's real name received exactly 15 Moneros worth of cryptocurrency. On or about April 17, 2021, "William Gibson" told the Confidential Source that he would receive his monthly salary "today or tomorrow."

Holy shit 15 whole Moneros? €4,200 is an incredible sum of money to be receiving monthly! Lol.
/u/cognac
2 points
2 months ago
4200 a month for a risky position? You might as well work a regular 9-5 at that point and not run the risk of years of jailtime.
/u/Super_godman
1 points
1 month ago
missing a very important monkier here .
/u/enzyme P
1 points
2 months ago
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/u/retards1
1 points
2 months ago
The one he decided to retire after? Yes.

We found a database backup accessible by the web user running the market when utilizing a LFI. Can't make this security-driven meme up.
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/u/realitymixer P
1 points
2 months ago
yoooo enzyme back

Consistent clinical
/u/Yugong P
2 points
2 months ago
/u/fohshizzle2 awesome post should reference the source too.


For example, law enforcement analyzed approximately two million posts on a dark web forum and determined that two specific words, which are terms that appear in a fictional trilogy to which “William Gibson” frequently referenced, were used by only three users: “William Gibson,” “CypherPhreak,” and “MrCeline.” Both “CypherPhreak” and “MrCeline” are believed to have been created or controlled by SCHMITZ based on the results of further law enforcement investigation.

Smells of a tactic used by police when they don't want their methods identified referenced as parallel construction.


Specifically, on or about May 24, 2022, “William Gibson” contacted the Confidential Source using the moniker “PapaLegba” and instructed the Confidential Source to contact him through this new moniker. Based on records obtained from an online merchant, law enforcement authorities learned that SCHMITZ used an account registered in his real name to purchase a Papa Legba-themed pendant on June 13, 2022, with a credit card in his real name.

Gets smellier.


Fourth, law enforcement authorities have identified at least two cryptocurrency transactions that support the conclusion that SCHMITZ had transferred cryptocurrency from a personal account registered in SCHMITZ's real name to be used by "William Gibson" to make the Confidential Source's salary payments for the Confidential Source's work at Versus. For example, on or about April 15, 2021, a currency exchange account registered in SCHMITZ's real name received exactly 15 Moneros worth of cryptocurrency

Actually reeks of it. William Gibson had a Monero wallet registered in his personal name? How does one register Monero account under name? If we assume the account was tied to transactions from CEX, I don't think any admin would be having their Monero wallet controlled by CEX.


The same individual who used the handle “William Gibson” in the Versus messaging system corresponded with the Confidential Source through an encrypted messaging application

I searched on Dread and found this

/post/a2bd644eb90267f49f46/#c-e999cd8d71bc6b8738

I think of it like this: Getting the average DNM user to switch to Tox is kind of like the hassle of getting your grandma to use signal instead of whatscrapp.

Unfortunately people still use jabber + OTR out of ignorance or because they really don't know it better even though OTR is outdated for years and full of bugs, not even talking about the many downsides of jabber like its semi-centralized architecture, non-encrypted nature and vulnerable/bloated clients in general. The OTR developer himself recommended to use OMEMO instead of OTR but you still see everywhere on the darknet as well as on the clearnet that jabber + OTR is the gold standard for "secure messaging". As long as you see this questionable information everywhere and every random user on forums repeating questionable pieces of information they read somewhere we won't see any change in the near future.

What it needs is an educational campaign and trusted services/individuals on the DN promoting Tox and its advantages. Or at least promote OMEMO if it has to be jabber.

Seem he was a fan of using Tox. There was some related usage of Tox in Hansa case if I'm not mistaken. Does seem based on multiple cases P2P solutions like Tox come at advantage for LE when tracing those connecting IP.

Current market admins should be looking who has used resumes from Versus staff to get positions. All from there should be considered person non grata for any darknet activity.

From the information seems clear at least to me feds have more capabilities regarding Tor than what's being shown, perhaps on Monero too (reference OSPEAD). I refuse to believe yet another admin wasn't using Tor or VPN and they stumbled upon him because he had purchased a book or random shit. Too many coincidences piled up too many arrests too many identification of servers. /u/HugBunter /u/Paris
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
3 points
2 months ago

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I think these are just weak evidence points that could suggest he is linked to specific monikers. They always miss out a lot of the more crucial information where it might expose other informants or methods once the information is released, these will likely be true or half-truths but they won't appear as solid information on the outside to us of course.

As for XMR linked to him, I would hazard a guess and say XMR.to was a downfall for him or he sold to feds on Localmonero or similar. I know he used XMR.to for sure and you could see absolutely anyone who cashed out from there by watching their outgoing BTC from their hot wallet. I can't remember for sure, but I believe XMR.to only allowed XMR->BTC, which means any outgoing TX was the result of an XMR conversion. If they linked any BTC coming out there to a CEX under his name and then knew of an exact 15 XMR payment that would be going to WG, they would have requested info on the TX from XMR.to

I cut all contact with SamCulper in 2019/20 after he asked too many questions and I became suspicious of him, others can probably confirm similar experiences. SamCulper also worked closely with Team Trust/GammaGoblin and moderated several markets and forums in his time. I actually accused him of being an informant prior to the complete cut of contact due to another event, but he of course denied it and I just kept distance with him from there.

There's actually some other info we have on this, that adds up now we have this arrest info. It has explained a LOT of things, confirmed multiple theories.
/u/Yugong P
2 points
2 months ago
The Monero part certainly seems plausible. I remember the court documents for Incognito admin referenced something of same deal where they specifically tracked whole number amounts of Monero more.


There's actually some other info we have on this

Would you be releasing it? The whole cloak and dagger of the case instead of big flashy look we got Rick Ross 3 points to you might be right about more informants still actively involved.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
2 points
2 months ago
I would say Witchman was likely busted too based on his disappearance alongside Sam.

Sam was also a moderator at Dread at one point /u/TimothyLeary - I removed him immediately when it became clear that he was likely an informant or at the very least identified. This was mid-early 2019.

To discuss it further on why I was so sure it means discussing something publicly that I have never before, but its an extremely interesting event.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
Holy shit I just remembered, he started claiming I was a scammer because I removed him and then a vendor that him and WG worked very closely with got busted and Sam was accusing me of being at fault because this vendor had been in contact with me also. Vendor was "PachoHerrera" or something like that. The vendor had terrible opsec so I just brushed it off as he likely slipped up enough for LE to find, but this just makes it more likely now that Sam got him busted too.
/u/Yugong P
1 points
2 months ago
If LE tried to keep it out of the papers could be the Sam kid is still running around. If the case that'd be make him the longest running publicly exposed snitch on the darknet.

Do you know if any market admins or other services have hired Versus staff or associated? I mean it can run deep I won't be surprised if feds use previous market experience to gain positions.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
Sam disappeared with Versus afaik. Every past market admin during his time will testify about how he begged to be staff. They all told me how he contacted them regularly. I think he did work at some other markets at the same time as Versus, but I'm not completely sure.
/u/enzyme P
1 points
2 months ago
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/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
As far as I know, it was real. Paris verified it, but it was blown out of proportion I think for what it was, DS wanted to give it extra attention to push them into a corner
/u/enzyme P
1 points
2 months ago
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/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
DeSnake's identity? DS didn't even hack it though, it was someone else, he just pushed it into everyone's view to harm Versus as much as possible. Also you have to go out of your way to leave an identifying trace during a hack.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
This is correct.. DS didnt do the hack but paid for it and blew it up to kill VS.. We had to get to number 1 man by any means necessary.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
Yeah, exactly the problem with him, this was one of the smallest parts of that "any means necessary" and there won't be a re-occurrence of it.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago*
I miss DS. I bet you if he was like coming up in todays age... he would most likely getting some meeting with those trump on that app. 500k and a vist to gorgetown gets you in. You can literally bribe the fbi right now. I bet if you come with enough you can clean your slate and turn the man on everyone else. We live in a time where all this is totally possible. I wouldnt hold your breath on a re-occurrence.. drughub is around a market risen from the WHM exit scam name. I like the guy but facts are facts. He ALso saw archetyp as the best market in the mix and focused heavy on them .. yeah forcing paris into bad descions.. to push past for 1.

everyone takes it to personal .. busniess is busniess you guys gatekeep .. my job was to break that. Brought a winning formula that won
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
WHM didn't exit scam though and I don't see DrugHub pushing any malicious action unless I missed something
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
oh you right my G .. "less than honorable " -paris .. my bad you right you right
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
No not even that, we had to shame them publicly as an exit scam, because we couldn't talk about it at the time, I think we'll be fine to now but no one would believe it so what is the point. The only reason I mention they didn't exit scam is because it gets put on us that we're defending an exit scammer or allowing them to return, when not only do I not believe White is involved with DH, but White didn't actually exit scam.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
Oh yeah ... the eepsite leaked the ip because of that vuln... probelm with that whole reason is the fact the eepsite was down for a year or so before the "honorably exit scammed" .. i just looked and yeah there are comment from me to him asking when hell back his eepsite ...this was 8 months before close.

I may have born at night but not last night huggie.. this is where i shine on here i remember everything
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
This has nothing to do with I2P...
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago*
well okay .. i just remember that line of shit being fed to me . hmmm so what was it ? enlighten me with this ever growing mound of BS.

P.S .. keep in mind i got on record on a podcast while the vulan was back peddling on it.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
That vuln existed, its the reason we didn't return to I2P and probably the same with WHM, but what I am talking about is what really happened in the final moments of the market. I won't publicly discuss it right now and there is very good reason for why we never have, as I said, no one would believe it, there is no way to evidence it so it would just look like we are trying to defend WHM.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
hmmm this is the like this DB you hacked.. like i promise i did it but i have no proof. Huggie bro , this shit might work with the new guys but that shit dont work . unless you come out with a good reason ... then its an exit scam .. also you parneer also called it an exit scam.. I get it got to protect that look like you are not gate keepers.. but holding DH hand after an exit scam is wack as fuck..
just listen to what you are saying " it wasnt an exit scam , we had to protect him even tho he tho dude exits stage left way before his agreed upon date".. that my dude is an exit scam dress it how ever you want .. facts are facts
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
I literally sent you the private key to the market. Get the fuck out of here, you're back to your same shit again.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
Dont get angry man .. i am trying to connect the dots . How the fuck was that not an exit scam and why did DH get pushed past market that have been around longer and just now getting on this superlist.

Yes i am coming from the angle that you guys are cheats , and bigger robbers than me .I am just open and dont lie about it. I am really wondering how we can all do these mental gymnastics. Cause from here looks like hand holding and covering for your homie to make that extra couple hundred thousands from exit scam.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
I called it an exit scam too, something happened that would put risk on someone if we talked about it, so that was that.

I've never stole a single dollar, don't project because that's your low morals.

DH didn't get pushed, they add markets in order of who has completed the requirements first... multiple markets have jumped ahead for the same reason. I have never had any involvement with the Superlist aside from asking them the same questions you're asking me, so again, you're talking out of your ass.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
torzon was around longer and just got on . Dang Huggie , i didnt mean to piss ya off. it isnt low morals , i just under stand capitalism better .. you think elon got to be the richest man by being nice or did he stomp on necks the whole way up. I just dont belive that good /bad guy shit .. its only money .. dont hate !

you have involment maybe not inner but daunt does not use markets unless they have been on super list. not trying to be a dick but that connects you my dude.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
2 points
2 months ago*
Yeah the explanation the mods gave me was that he didn't respond to them when they asked something. /u/Torzon can confirm he just gave up with how long things were taking, when I became aware just how long they have been around I questioned them on why they haven't been processed, asked if there was a reason, a requirement they didn't meet. Sam said they hadn't heard back to their last message and so they hadn't put any more time into it, but there wasn't a requirement issue, so he went ahead and completed their application process shortly after getting in touch with Torzon admin again. You need to see that I was unaware and had the exact same reaction when I realized they were still not on the superlist after such time and so I intervened to query how that can happen.

The system I've built into the update will reduce/prevent this from happening, holding responsible mods accountable for it, with the entire process completely transparent. Every decision for an application publicly logged.

As for Daunt and Dread Ads. I believe the requirements for the superlist are necessary, as you admitted too. Which means that if the process is handled correctly and in a timely manner then there wouldn't be an issue. That is why I decided to use the Superlist as a means of knowing that any market we are to allow to promote has been through a test and meets these high standards that are set in the requirements. I don't want to be involved or responsible for the process itself and be ridiculed if I decided to deny a market, its also a work load Dread staff can't fulfill. So why would we do it any other way? We are not responsible for the process itself, but trust in it when it is done right. Unfortunately, it hasn't been for some time now, which I do believe is genuinely down to time constraints and similar, these are voluntary subdread mods carrying out a process that can take many months for a market to solve issues, provide access to vendor panels and so on, as well as manual testing of the market to make sure they do meet every necessary requirement.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
ill take that as a win .. getting mad and taking the ball home isnt proving a point on why whm didnt exit .. even if it was some reason to protect people. also no explaining why dh got pushed before torzon even tho they where around longer.

it just proves if you have dnm history and common sense .. that you cant argue your way out of the gatekeeping and the cheating and the covering for exit scams.

anyways huggie bear until next time my dude. videos needs 1 bug then its shippable and i think the single vendor shops will be online next week.. got to liberate the mass's from central markets and the grip of dread centralization .. let the vendors liberate them shelves.. no more ghost type owning server exit scams .. a product the vendor can set up them self on a host THEY choose. I am muscling into your biz man.. i think i will do well
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
2 points
2 months ago
I didn't get mad, you need to realize the things you say are incorrect, you think you're stating things that are some hard truths or something, when all it does is leave me confused because of just how wrong it is.

There hasn't been any gatekeeping and you said that yourself when I've explained it to you already, these are tired conversations at this point. You're bipolar, you admit that I've made the point that completely contradicts everything you've said and then you have a beer and feel brave and here we are.

I told you I'm in support of what you're doing too.. so not sure what you're trying to say. Feeling upset that I missed your message about your subdread? I replied and would have made it by now but you didn't respond. I'm guessing this whole meltdown again here is fuelled by that?
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago*
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/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
again claim the win ... unable to intellectual defend you self ..just a bunch of drrrr eew eeek shit . not coherent
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
also no need to respond .. facts are facts
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago*
leary was fro sure the rat. I dont know about you guys , but the constant braggin of gamma goblin who became a non factor long long ago.......there was this crazy vendor. VS was tight knit and gibson if trusted you he would say shit. I liked em but yeah being hacked twice and still keeping on not great. Lastly gibson was one of those that wouldnt exit scam one of the "good guys" and it ended up being his undoing man and they took btc.
/u/retards1
1 points
2 months ago
The 'hack' was real and not done by DeSnake. I did it.
I pulled DS into it, because nobody believed my baby bottle account. I contacted him with the sole condition that I didn't want this to turn into an ad for his market (aside from the influx all markets will gain from this anways). I didn't want any money or anything. We exchanged PGP keys and he suggested we move the conversation to XMPP. What followed was an all-nighter by DS and me, because he wanted ultimate verification this is not a honeypot. We tried finding as many files as possible. As I noted, this was a LFI, so we had to blindly guess paths or bruteforce them. Interesting that we found a database backup so easily. The path and name were extremely predictable.
When he was convinced that it is real, he contacted Paris to verify and allow the publication. At least this is what he told me, I obviously cannot verify this. But it aligns with what /u/HugBunter said here: /post/304b58b0ae0a108d7678/#c-fde76ef23f1a90e8d1
He did kind of point to his market in the final post though. I let it slip, because of the time he invested all night to verify this.

I don't necessarily agree with HugBunter that it was blown out of proportion. The market was advertised as 'security-driven', which is why I shit on the market in my initial post the way I did. What we found was anything but security-driven. Considering that it was one of the top players back then, this was even more dangerous.

Some stuff I remember (beyond the fact that it took me a few minutes to find the vulnerability, combine this with the previous paragraph):
- Database backup
- SSH access logs (I think it was the wtmp file specifically that showed very interesting IPs)
- IP addresses of other hosts (I think there was some kind of monitoring host the main server sent data to)
- ...

I still have a few of these files if I'm not mistaken - would have to take a look into them again.

He pushed it into everyone's view, correct. But I asked him to verify my post and I believe this was much needed. After all the previous Versus hacks and all these things that are anything but security-driven, users had to be warned. If they want to keep using a site like that, at least they knew and had the information to make a decision for themselves. I didn't have the audience to do so.

And yea, as HugBunter said, it is highly unlikely any forensics could reveal his identity based on the hack. It was just requests sent to the application, which were answered with server files it should not answer with.
I'm not sure what he may have done with the host IP though. For instance, when we had a host IP, he said he can verify that it is behind the onion address by attacking it.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
I'm not downplaying the vulnerability itself, I mean how DeSnake portrayed it to try and ensure they were completely done and wouldn't recover from it. I take anything a market says about "security" with a grain of salt, its a marketing buzz word, the markets I've found an IP for in 60 seconds flat said the same thing. Usually with any hacks I have carried out on ESTABLISHED markets, I try to handle it as delicately as possible, only exposing it after its solved or not exposing it at all, if I don't feel it is necessary, when damage has been controlled etc. The problem with exposing these things on a large established market is: firstly, the risk it puts on users if exposed before it is solved and secondly it forces the admins into a corner where they can feel like they have no option but to exit scam and at least take some money before they have to shut down.

Pressure forces bad decisions and it should be handled with care when there are high stakes for end users or the admins themselves, whether that be opsec risk or loss of funds. In future, know that you can contact me to verify, it will always be taken seriously. I know I wasn't too active for some months at the time, but I don't have any plans to be away like that again.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
Lastly why DS is the best the .. until yosi retires if it runs right but currently DS and Alpha02 .. because every convo about any of this DS is always brought up. For me For my job i love that because it means i did my job .
/u/enzyme P
1 points
2 months ago
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/u/retards1
1 points
2 months ago
If only everyone in your family would care about traces being left as much as you do. I have an LGTBQ+ flag cock from all the different lipsticks your mum uses.

NIGGA HEIL HITLER
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
DS did this to get VS out of the way.. it was all business man.
/u/Shakybeats M an molester
1 points
2 months ago
Yes he worked at multiple markets then. I remember a few of them. Actually now that I think about it. A few of them vanished under mysterious circumstances. A few I always thought were LE involvement.

I also remember him bitching me out, and then apologizing because he "hates /u/hugbunter for all his lies"
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
Do you remember if he was involved with Berlusconi or DeepSea, that would be interesting if so.
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
Not berlusconi ... not deep sea wither . But he did get his start at darknet heros league .. you remeber that market ? this is before this TR run.
/u/Shakybeats M an molester
1 points
2 months ago
I don't think he was part of either of those. He was 100% part of Rapture and Traderoute. I know he was also involved with smaller markets. I would have to do some digging, but I think Tor2door as well.
/u/Anorial_newacc
1 points
2 months ago
i think he was working the hole time for the feds that is why was begging so much to be a part of DNM teams and forum teams i think. Its crazy the hole situation
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
2 points
2 months ago
> should reference the source too.

cp080-2025(67151)
/u/enzyme P
1 points
2 months ago
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/u/MaximumHarm
1 points
2 months ago
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/u/Yugong P
1 points
2 months ago
Now replies to you /u/enzyme is in [pending moderation]. Feds have deployed their full attack tool against Dread. Time to tinfoil hat up.
/u/Yugong P
1 points
2 months ago
Damn it. I wonder what word triggered it. Does it show on moderation panel at all? /u/TTTz /u/samwhiskey save us
/u/Phobos36 P 100% not a retard
2 points
2 months ago
[pending Kevination]
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/u/Yugong P
1 points
2 months ago
Is this how Kevins are born?
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/u/Yugong P
1 points
2 months ago
Automoderator seems to be one, probably the same asshole stopping the comments. Are you?
/u/Phobos36 P 100% not a retard
1 points
2 months ago
Maybe, you should ask your friend Kevin Wu.
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/u/Yugong P
1 points
2 months ago
I would but my message would only get as far as [pending moderation]. Seems Kevin isn't here for any of us.
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/u/Phobos36 P 100% not a retard
1 points
2 months ago
/u/Kevin

What do you have to say for your defense?
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/u/Kevin
1 points
2 months ago
What does Kevin need to defend?
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/u/Phobos36 P 100% not a retard
1 points
2 months ago
His honor.
/u/realitymixer P
1 points
2 months ago
tox is shit glad i used it for limited space

fuckkkk
/u/R00tRot
1 points
2 months ago
also correct .. everytime i spoke with him was via tox.
/u/TTTz Ⓜ️ Looking for Twerk
1 points
2 months ago
This is a lot of info!
/u/Hektor 🌀
1 points
2 months ago
So at least few years ago they still couldn't track xmr, but looks quantity is really important. Never send same amount you receive.
/u/retards1
1 points
2 months ago

My connections run deep. Be wary. You will be exposed shortly.


- /post/ff254bac1ccde15c27fb/

Who would have thought this was his coming out?
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah I linked that post to someone earlier. Another thing from him is also "funny" looking back:

> I became Sam Culper for one reason. It is all about respect for the greatest US Spy in the world. He was the main spy in George Washington’s First every Spy ring. The Culper Ring.
/u/retards1
1 points
2 months ago
Taking this into consideration... for all that we know, Obamaphone could have been next to Obama's balls every single day.
/u/Fyodor-MD 0pac
1 points
2 months ago
we upvoted a fed to 6k + upvotes.. unreal
> 100% SamCulper confirmed

It's always the people you expect the least.
/u/realitymixer P
1 points
2 months ago
how does he know
/u/fohshizzle2 ?

Where the text from?
/u/retards1
1 points
2 months ago
Probably PACER.
My knowledge here is limited, but Colombia recently decided to give him to the U.S., right? That would mean sooner or later - potentially sooner - there should be records available. This post might mean there are records available by now.
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
1 points
2 months ago
As stated elsewhere, HSI had even back then last year no interest in that shit getting public lol so 0 traces on PACER

cp080-2025(67151) is your friend :)
/u/AncientIdai I want money
1 points
2 months ago
in tears about witchy possibly being busted/an informant :(
Would make a lot sense why he so suddenly varnished. I do not think he was an informant though, rather a way too close friend with SamCulper. :(
/u/Cyber34
1 points
2 months ago
STAY SAFE FOLKS Always review your security
fuck.. and to think i thought /u/samculper was just /u/samwhiskey hazing me as a new DNM mod.
/u/TTTz Ⓜ️ Looking for Twerk
1 points
2 months ago
Wouldnt that be some shit
/u/dopelinks
1 points
2 months ago
Anyone using the same username for the past 5 years is probably an informant.
/u/torcracked
1 points
2 months ago
any. relation to SamWhiskey? lol

idc
/u/Tre
1 points
2 months ago*
I read a Columbian news article that said this about a Patrick Schmitz

"A satanic altar, weapons, an elaborate surveillance system and images of demonic entities are some of the items that Colombian authorities found in the secluded luxury cabin where Patrick Schmitz 'Patrick Smith', a website management expert on the dark web who worked for the Gulf Clan and the Sinaloa Cartel, was hiding. Infobae reports indicate that Patrick would also be linked to the CJNG.

The German-born individual was in the sights of the Department of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and other United States agencies due to his activities linked to drug trafficking and money laundering for those criminal groups. Director General of the Colombian National Police General Salamanca Ramírez stated that Schmitz was arrested in compliance with an order issued by a District Court of New Jersey.

Dark Web Coordinator

On Dark Web portals, Patrick Schmitz participated in the sale of cocaine and fentanyl, arms trafficking and distribution of child pornography, according to details from the Colombian National Police. He used methods such as Hawala, Espejo (Mirror) and/or Token to facilitate payments for illegal services between criminal organizations operating in Colombia, Central America and the United States.

In addition, he made illegal investments in Colombia to conceal the illicit income through the purchase of movable and immovable property and investments in the hotel sector, especially in tourist areas of Magdalena and La Guajira.

“Alias Patrick had a criminal network of collaborators who facilitated the shipment of narcotics to the United States by contaminating containers,” the police explained.

"He owned several portals on the Dark Web, with a high criminal reputation, through which he sold cocaine in North America in different presentations and sizes, child pornography, false documents, hacking services, synthetic drugs such as fentanyl and accessories to hide illegal information storage devices," the Colombian National Police said in a statement.

Investigations also revealed that Schmitz frequented various hotels located in exclusive areas of the city of Santa Marta and in La Guajira, where he met with drug traffickers and investors to coordinate his illicit activities. He also "maintained a criminal network through professionals in accounting, business administration and law, who advised him to give the appearance of legality to the money from his illegal activities," according to Colombian police.


Undercover Takedown

Investigations show that Patrick Schmitz arrived in Colombia in 2015. He was under investigation at the time and wanted by US authorities. He set up shop in a remote mansion in the city of Santa Marta, where he installed an elaborate CCTV system that monitored any movement outside 24 hours a day. A pistol and several demonic images, statues and Santa Muerte style motifs.

Agents from the Colombian Attorney General's Office, in addition to US HSI agents participated in the arrest, after a user named William Gibson was detected, as well as an account named PapaLegba, which marked their location in Colombia.

Authorities learned that some locations of the IP protocol for this user was on the Colombian Caribbean coast. Specialized intelligence and investigation activities carried out jointly by Colombian and United States authorities included, "specific queries were made regarding IP addresses, in order to establish and track the virtual sites that were being used by this individual to carry out his criminal activities through the dark internet."

Police say that during one of the surveillance operations it was possible to obtain the alcoholic drink he had consumed from the trash to gather his fingerprints which were matched to that of Patrick Schmitz.

Once he was fully identified, it was decided to "infiltrate an expert from Intelligence to make contact with Patrick, which allowed us to learn the details of his criminal scheme." According to the police, the infiltrator managed to "identify contacts of interest for carrying out illegal activities. One important aspect was to find out what happened between Patrick and people he trusted."

Based on the information gathered by the undercover police, it was established that he only communicated via "iPhone through iCloud applications, being prohibited from establishing communication through chat applications such as Threem, since according to the leader, they could be detected by the authorities."

Patrick Schmitz was arrested and is subject to extradition to the United States. Colombia informed American and German authorities about the capture."
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
1 points
2 months ago
old news, this comes from the supreme court of Colombia
/u/Tre
1 points
2 months ago
Was this the same guy? If so i mean he was cooked before he even opened Versus
/u/fohshizzle2 📢 DM ME 4 XMR
1 points
2 months ago
Same guy but the 2015 part from HSI is muddy since they are (inofficially, well, now "officially" lol) are saying in the official docs

> who is believed to have lived in Colombia since at least 2022, and likely earlier.

Also, I found news about his bust back then by rather accident. Same as those now (in spanish) theoretically public available court documents HSI did NOT want those news to come out, neither back then nor now.
/u/Tre
1 points
2 months ago*
Yeah this is actually insane. Dude worked for the Gulf Clan, Sinaloa Cartel and was linked to the CJNG. I'm assuming thats where the arms trafficking came from but what about the pedo shit? That wasn't sold on the market i mean.

Wonder what made him think it was a good idea to open a market considering how much heat was on him. I mean sheeeeesh.

All of this is news to me but anyway when you start looking into the columbian news it gets crazy.
/u/miner21 P
1 points
2 months ago
Interesting read. Gotta be careful who you work with
/u/smoker247365
1 points
2 months ago
How did i miss the news? why not front page WTF!!!
/u/Hex1984
1 points
1 month ago
I've found this post to be an execllent read.
I've, of course used the article to dig into other areas to learn what I can about this.
Are there any external sites that have more info?

Where is /u/HugBunter?

/u/fohshizzle2 Than you for the writeup.
/u/root P "no more flair" flair
-1 points
2 months ago
I told my AI to categorize Schmitz's mistakes by severity. Here is what it thought. Maybe it is useful for somebody.
What were Schmitz's most critical mistakes ordered by severity?

Based on the provided news articles, here are Schmitz’s most critical mistakes, ordered by severity (how directly they led to his identification/arrest), along with explanations:

1. Using His Real Name for Purchases & Accounts (Highest Severity): This was arguably his biggest blunder. Multiple instances of using his real name – registering accounts with cryptocurrency exchanges, purchasing "Papa Legba" merchandise online, and email account registrations - provided direct links between “William Gibson” and Patrick Schmitz. It created a clear trail that law enforcement could follow.

2. Communicating via Identifiable Patterns (High Severity): His unique language patterns on dark web forums, specifically the use of specific terms from a fictional trilogy, allowed investigators to connect "William Gibson," "CypherPhreak" and “MrCeline” as likely being controlled by the same person. This narrowed down the search significantly.

3. Paying Employees in Monero & Boasting About it (Medium-High Severity): While attempting to evade detection, Schmitz told his confidential source about using Monero to "clean coins" and avoid leaving traces. This boastful admission provided key evidence of intent and a specific financial trail investigators could follow.

4. Travel Itinerary Found in Email Account (Medium Severity): The discovery of a travel itinerary matching statements made by “William Gibson” regarding his availability further solidified the link between Schmitz and the alias, confirming patterns of behavior. -

5. Leaving Physical Evidence (Medium Severity): While seemingly minor, leaving trash with fingerprints that matched Schmitz’s allowed authorities to confirm his presence at the Colombian hideout. It was a piece of corroborating evidence in a larger picture.

6. Relying on iCloud Communication Only (Low-Medium Severity): His insistence on only using iPhone/iCloud communication, believing it was secure enough, narrowed his communication channels and made tracking easier for investigators. While not directly identifying him, it limited his options and increased the chances of interception.

7. Not Recognizing the Notification from Provider-1 (Low Severity): Failing to recognize the notification about legal process related to his account likely triggered his panic and abrupt end to communications with the confidential source, further confirming suspicions.

It's important to note that these mistakes weren’t isolated incidents; they built upon each other, creating a cumulative effect that ultimately led to Schmitz’s identification and arrest. The most critical errors were those that directly linked him to the "William Gibson" persona using his real-world identity.
/u/Yugong P
0 points
2 months ago

Multiple instances of using his real name – registering accounts with cryptocurrency exchanges, purchasing "Papa Legba" merchandise online, and email account registrations - provided direct links between “William Gibson” and Patrick Schmitz. It created a clear trail that law enforcement could follow.

Doesn't answer the question how he was identified. LE seem to be trying to catch straws to explain it. I'm sure William Gibson knew better to churn his Monero coins and if he had registrations on CEX to have used cleaned coins only. No visible links.
/u/Enchitheyojimbo
-1 points
2 months ago
Probably both me and opiateconnect369 exposed dread for shady practices years ago, OC stopped talking about it due to threats from dread and I more or less stopped due to everyone dick riding dread staff and not wanting to hear it but dread staff has been doing shady shit shilling for vendors and markets covering up exit scams and promoting markets to boost their exit scam amounts while exhorting good reliable vendors now samspade is dead staff again after they talked shit about him saying he was caught exhorting vendors dread has never been trust worthy it's just the best forum option we have on the darknet but there are other good ones too if people would just use them they'd be even better than dread
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
2 points
2 months ago*
Not only is none of this related to Dread, but Opiateconnect was a huge support for Dread and we have never threatened anyone, so what the fuck are you talking about? Since Dread, there has been an increase of markets who have retired amicably and a huge reduction in the effects of exit scams, whether that be the potential for money lost or just staying connected with vendors. The news spreads faster now and puts a much faster end to the profitability of exit scams.

The majority of people use Dread because we have been able to hold more people accountable. I have single handedly solved a huge amount of issues that have occurred over the years, outed scams that would have flew under the radar, literally got money returned to vendors from a currently exit scamming market, put an end to the largest extortion attempt and have never been paid off to censor anything, you won't find that elsewhere.

Edit: Just saw your Dr Piff post too, which means you definitely did work closely with him. Opiateconnect was never threatened by any Dread staff and I considered him a good friend, Dr Piff will reiterate that and I have personally been in contact with him in the past month, he hasn't been around much for a while however.
/u/Preview-Of-Freedom P
1 points
2 months ago
please inform me of my dread corruption benefits from my donations and bags of sand purchases i would like to get in on the action
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
Everyone knows you get one post censorship request per bag of sand!
Your bags of sand purchases have greatly protected our coasts from erosion due to rising sea levels caused by global warming. That has not gone unnoticed. Thanks for making America great again.
/u/Enchitheyojimbo
1 points
2 months ago
Sam Spade was dread staff, I know you denounced him but when he was dread staff he tried to exthort OC, honestly I've always said you're the only person on dread staff I even half way trust, but everything I said was true though none of it was aimed at you
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 months ago
Sam Spade? Do you mean SamCulper? If not, then they weren't Dread staff, I don't know who Sam Spade is, but do recognize the name. If it was SamCulper, I can believe it but I was certainly never aware and he was removed for good other reasons. OC never mentioned any of this to me so yeah, completely unaware.
/u/Cryptobender999
1 points
2 months ago
opiateconnect was one of the most generous vendors of all time. He made a lot of mistakes being comfortable but was an exceptional vendor. OC would still be in the top 10 donations for dread if he wasn't busted and still sitting in the top 25.
/u/Enchitheyojimbo this is bogus
/u/Enchitheyojimbo
0 points
2 months ago
Go look through my post history your claims of this being bogus are ridiculous. Samspade was dread staff. OC was exthroted by dread he wasn't a big presence on here due to that. He wasn't even a big dread donor you're a joke
/u/Cryptobender999
1 points
2 months ago
Samspade is a vendor an excellent one. That's why i know you don't know what you're talking about. SamCulper was an admin for GG and other markets lates. Take care have a good weekend