Damn, that's brutal, what did the autopsy reveal? It's very interesting that they died from it. What RC was it? Was there poly-substance use involved?
What's odd is that data from some organizations are showing that a majority of samples from the illicit market that are tested are real ketamine, and that the RC substitute boom was more of an issue a few years ago. However, this has not been my experience exploring the dark web, basically everyone on the markets seems to sell these analogs. I am still unsure what percentage is comprised of people with sociopathic tendencies, and what percentage is people who are simply clueless idiots trusting their own suppliers and not testing anything.
The very core fundemental problem with any of these vendors showing off their supposed "Clean Bill of Health" testing is that they managed to send a tiny sample of actual real ketamine to the lab, and then you have to pray that's what they are selling everyone after the fact. I've never heard of anyone dying from fake ketamine unless it was fentanyl because it only takes one small bump to know something is drastically wrong, so indeed I'd be curious about the findings too.
I think it's mostly not DCK but 2-FDCK. Though I know of more novel dissociatives coming out of China now, I don't know how they react with a Morris reagent, so I'm not sure whether some of what I identify as likely 2-FDCK is actually something different at this point. While 2-FDCK has been banned in China now, I do know that thousands of kilograms of it likely entered Europe and vendors are now looking to sell this as ketamine, so at least 2-FDCK should be very easy to find for you. How common DCK still is, I am not sure. Possibly the person in question in this thread ingested a more novel RC though, some of which have more potential for lethality, from the info I've been able to gather.
That's an odd claim. Look at my posts and observe my style of communication. Now find me at least one other poster who communicates in a similar manner, and also raises these specific issues. I might be really disappointed by the people you propose I "sound like", though, lmao.
I only have one account here, but I know how little value a claim of that sort holds. The issue being discussed just happens to pertain to false claims after all.
i actually did, i can't tell you much about the style of communication but this issue has been raised by baby bottle accounts for the past week straight, sorry for being skeptical. anyway I don't know why analogues would be sold 99% of the time instad of ketamine. i feel like they would be more expensive to begin with
They're not, they were really cheap to get from China at one point, and huge quantities were shipped here, I've seen reports of seizures of them, and 2-FDCK is sold on the clear web in the Netherlands below dark web "ketamine" prices.
but that's only for 2-fdck which at the end of they can't be much different than ketamine, like I understand being mad about being mislead but saying it's potentialyl deadly or whatever is justt untrue, furthermore ketamine remains even cheaper to import and it's not like it's not being produced
Specific claim: "ketamine remains cheaper to import than 2-FDCK", what are you basing that on? Any specific numbers you have seen? Besides, I think a big part of the story is that massive suplusses of these RCs have been produced and people feel the need to sell them off. I'll just tell you for the moment that the few people I have found here who seem to do their due diligince are saying ketamine is getting hard to source. If it's getting hard to seemingly decently intelligent people who want to sell it and actively avoid selling RC substitutes as ketamine, I think that points at the vast majority of the supply of what is now sold as ketamine, instead being RCs. I think the primary market segment that limits its exposure is wealthier people with in-person connections that can source stolen vet-or-pharma ketamine. At one point in the past, most ketamine on the market was illicitely produced, I'm not so sure whether that's true now. My sense is that the RCs have taken most of the lower tier market share. Unfortunately, basically every dark web vendor in Europe falls in this category now. But do I think you have good odds of scoring real ketamine, at, for instance, an upscale music event in-person in Barcelona, with testing booths? Yes. And I think it's exactly that sort of testing going on which is why there is so little public awareness of the RC substitutes that dominate the dark web and lower-tier IRL market. We know there's a lot of 2-FDCK out here, but perhaps many kilograms of dodgier compoounds have not been seized. As we speak, people in China are synthesizing another generation of novel dissociatives to circumvent bans, and it's leaking into the global supply chain. I think the Netherlands still has relative luck with it probably being almost all 2-FDCK. It's congruent with my Morris reagent colors. The PCP analogs seem to turn them a different color. Still, I've read articles now where samples from the illicit supply were tested, and very often, it was not 1 RC substitute but a mix. So even if something is mainly 2-FDCK, there might easily be a sprinkle of something darker in there.
I didn't say that 2-FDCK is likely to lead to deaths. I think its side effect profile will be shown to be a little worse than that of ketamine, but not something that's radically dangerous to ingest once. It was the thread author who made a claim about a death of their friend from an RC dissociative. Few specifics, though. They seem to be banned now for violating rules. Would have been interesting to learn more about what happened there exactly. Oh well, maybe it was made up. Let's hope so. Either way, I'm not part of some "baby bottle clan" trying to stir up the pot about the prevalence of these RC dissociatives. I'm pretty new here, reagent tested some samples, all suggested the compound sold as ketamine was not ketamine, found a few credible people to speak to, started reading publications by public health organizations and academic papers and feel fairly certain now that virtually all ketamine sold on the dark web in Europe is not ketamine, there may be rare exceptions.
you might be correct. I am probably stuck in past years when there was the "indian ketamine" etc, being mass produced illicitly. maybe times have changed and indeed at this point rc dissos might be more prominent due to crack down on original ketamine
As someone who was a regular ketamine user for years, in my experience it is 100% true, at least in the UK. Have had dozens of different sources selling fake ketamine. Mostly on the street but 3 on the dark web as well.
Did you manage to find any real ketamine? If so, please do refer me to your supplier, best do it in the DMs maybe. I'll have a talk with them and see if they're credible, don't like to see anyone getting endorsed here publicly when they may not be legit after all. I'll likely abandon my search and simply give up on trying to find ketamine if a few of my current leads don't pan out.
Good choice. Do not ingest substances labeled as ketamine without having at least GC-MS or LC-MS performed after your own reagent testing. However, as I learn a bit about analytic chemistry, I am learning that even neither of these methods are adequate by themselves to verify illicit substances sold as "ketamine" are safe to ingest. Stay healthy. :)
/u/real_enquiry: Respect for showing some humility and entertaining the possibility that what I'm saying here may be accurate. I didn't expect that change of tone after you just baselessly accused me of having 5 different accounts posting "the same thing". Perhaps, though, my looking into this, and my communication with some people in DMs, does play some role in establishing a higher tier awareness of this issue on this forum. If so, I'd be very happy to see that. Even if I'll probably only be on these corners of the internet for a short while, if I manage to make people here have a stronger grasp on the prevalance of RC dissociative ketamine "substitutes", I'll have made a positive impact on the community.
why wouldn't I change my mind? You actually provided very credible information that I could verify by myself (especially regarding the cost of about to be banned rcs) and you are obviously more of an expert than me on the subject
too bad you kinda got me worried about my sources and some questionable batches I received recently now so there's that lol
Most people I've encountered so far on these corners of the internet are not very responsive to things like citations and lab work. Glad to hear I got you to give your recently received batches additional scrutiny. If you find any real ketamine out there from a vendor who communicates in a credible manner and appears to operate with integrity, please, send me a message. Btw 2-FDCK is not about to be banned in the Netherlands AFAIK. Not sure if you were referring to a ban on a different RC dissociate, or the ban in China. The ban in China on 2-FDCK happened in 2021 but thousands of kilograms have likely entered Europe before that. Currently, Chinese labs are instead synthesizing other novel dossiatives. Some of these are most definitely sketchier, and I know for a fact that there are samples in the illicit supply where mostly 2-FDCK is mixed with more novel, currently not yet regulated Chinese-synthesized RCs, at varying percentages. Many are PCP analogs, many have completely undocumented psychoactive effects, LD50s etc. Some have been banned in China in 2024, but again, many kilograms likely entered Europe and other parts of the world.
Seriously people, be safe out there. At this point, I'm even starting to question whether (or maybe, when) the Chinese might come up with compounds that that are truly designed to evade our detection. I know you can evade GC-MS, but a good lab would proceed with LC-MS and LC-MS/MS from what I gather. However do agencies like DIMS really do that? I would not be surprised if in the next decade we see the emergence of compounds created with the help of AI that are deliberately designed to throw analytical chemists off track.
I don't have the faintest formal training in analytic or other chemistry and have been on the dark web for less than 2 weeks and I'm seeing these trends but people on the forums seem to have not figured a lot of this stuff out for years, my mind continues to be blown at the brain rot. Just searching on this forum for some of these compounds I'm seeing evidence of being synthesized and not finding any results, or finding a single mention tells me people's minds here are absolutely fucking checked out of the game.
I can just say that the ketamine that felt the best for me was speedlab's. I haven't got it half a year tho, maybe things changed, maybe it was never proper ketamine to begin with. he's one of the most popular vendors (esp. on alphabay, archetyp when they still operated) so i find it hard to beleive you haven't tried it. anyway to me it was great but it's pretty clear I am not an expert so what do i know loool
Recently had an experience with RamboUK2UK, although he acknowledged that it was a bad batch and said he wanted to make it right. No idea if what he would have replaced it with would have been real, as I did not ask him to send a replacement.
Pm me for a free sample, will be happy to gain a new customer. Ketamine we source is s-isomer pharma grade from verified source. Can find us also on almost every market (TopDog). Honestly, cant name even one reason why vendors would sell fake ketamine... Dont know about rembouk2uk much, but i've seen him around already since dream market times... If his product is not good, dont understand how he is still vending for such a long time, can assume something realy went wrong with the specific order.
ok so you bought from us and it was a bad batch which we would've immediately stopped selling and opened a good one and we would of offered you either a reship with extra for the hassle or a full refund. We don't sell fake products or else we would go out of business pretty quickly
If out of thousands of boxes you can get the odd one thats not up to scratch, say you buy 20 and 19 are top and one is not good, but thats so so rare, but not impossible. But we will ALWAYS sort out any problem straight away
I understand you didnt have a good experience and i'm sorry about that, but if you're going round saying that without any context like we ripped you off or something, thats not very fair. I see you've posted about it twice in the last week, and havent looked any further so who knows how many times its been said. If i read that about another vendor i would never buy off them, but as our thousands of reviews across multiple platforms will attest, we don't sell fake products or scam people
Anybody selling DCK as ketamine is an idiot (also nobody does that), DCK is two or three hundred dollars a gram currently, 10x what ketamine sells for.
Even 2f-dck, and most of the other dissociative RCs, are generally more expensive than ketamine currently (except maybe in the Netherlands).
My reagent testing and recent communication with a few rare seemingly credible individuals in the space indicate that among dark web sellers, even those with good reputations on the markets, selling RCs as ketamine is very much the norm, and real ketamine seems virtually out of reach to source on the dark web.
Idk about that Ive got K from two different vendors and it definitely aint no DCK or better disso, it's ket. I would love to find someone selling DCK at ket prices because DCK is one of the best dissos out there imo, it's weird reading about a supposed death on it though because iirc DCK didn't have too much of a safety profile concern aside from its potency but even then it was less potent than MXE.
What's odd is that data from some organizations are showing that a majority of samples from the illicit market that are tested are real ketamine, and that the RC substitute boom was more of an issue a few years ago. However, this has not been my experience exploring the dark web, basically everyone on the markets seems to sell these analogs. I am still unsure what percentage is comprised of people with sociopathic tendencies, and what percentage is people who are simply clueless idiots trusting their own suppliers and not testing anything.