Working closely with MommaBear right now to try and find a solution for everyone affected. Everyone should remain patient for updates on where they can go from here, it sucks and things aren't looking great, but MB is trying to figure things out.
Why working out on solution when they basically failed on their core value which is SECURITY. I hate to say it but the only mf who's running shit smoothly is /u/BigBossChefOfArchetyp
By solution I don't just mean the market runs again, the situation is fucked. MommaBear is being genuine though and has been left with nothing and was immediately trying to find a way to at least pay back the majority.
Your first thought when seeing me comment on anything is to put a negative spin on it, the market cannot just continue under the same parameters and its unacceptable by any market for this to happen even once, but twice... I'm calling it for what it is, this is an exit scam by the Admin, the difference here being a co-admin still being here to immediately report that and own up to what has happened. There likely isn't much that can be done here, but will talk through it with MB properly once they have rested.
Every single dollar made from that market, plus escrow funds, were all accessible by both admins?? That doesn't seem like a great idea, if I was Momma or Father I would want to be stashing away my own money 1. to protect myself but 2. to be able to keep the market running if your co-owner runs off with their funds and you want to continue.
Damn, did you seriously say this is the second time SM had an Admin run off with all their money?? Tell me I'm high please, lol.
While I respect the honesty and attempt to fix things and MB's dedication, the market shouldn't have gone back online until there were measures taken to avoid the same thing happening.
Nobody can guarantee that the one owner won't run off too, but the owner runs off, exit scam, market done. Period.
I guess I should've done my homework better on the SM.
They lost money to an exploit that can occur in some Monero RPC setups when the network was under attack, as did multiple markets at the time and they replenished the stolen funds and restored everything. This is a different situation but not unique and markets have come back from far worse. I'm still seeing what can be done now, problems like this taint a markets reputation that is for sure, but the only way right now that there would be a chance of everyone getting their funds paid out would be if he is able to once again replenish funds and keep the market running.
There is nothing "confirmed", it still isn't clear, at least not to me, how it occurred. I wasn't able to replicate it, but from the outputs Super shared with me, a single transaction output had the same XMR value duplicated multiple times. This occurred after a timeout on the request to the RPC, during the attacks on the Monero network.
Malicious user input was ruled out as it ocurred on a fixed amount from a dispute refund and they had lock protections for repeat requests. Which if true and if their protections worked as expected, would point to a possibility of the same transaction being possible to become a batch transaction with multiple amounts (all the same in this case) being submitted in the transaction when a timeout occurs. If this was a problem outside of their applications, then it opens the idea to a zero day in the Monero RPC, which I do find unlikely, or possibly they were using a library for the RPC communication which is mis-handling timeout exceptions.
This is an alt account for obvious reasons but yea, I came here to share my thoughts on this.
What I think happened here is literally what the dev claimed did NOT happen. A race condition resulting from a failure to lock db reads/writes during dispute refund process.
-> Endpoint (E) gets called and results in a function (F) responsible for a dispute refund being called
-> Function (F) opens TCP socket to call Monero API endpoint (Let's say via TOR so we can really visualize the amount time this would take)
-> Takes forever [...]
-> Endpoint (E) gets called once again (100 times for example)
-> Function (F) gets called 100 times and hits the code segment responsible for calling the Monero API endpoint as the first RPC call still hasn't finished and the involved db records are not locked.
-> Even if the first RPC call finishes and the code segment responsible for updating the involved DB record to reflect that it has already been refunded does its job, by the time it does, the other API calls will have been made already.
-> Boom
There could be plenty of similar scenarios like failures related to committing db transactions etc. To be fair, I don't know what DB / tech stack in general they use to perform operations like this but I have certainly run into similar problems.
Also, nobody would use such a valuable chain exploit to drain the wallet of such a small project.
The second point doesn't make any sense. As long as you have an internal node (internal meaning within a local network), if you get a timeout or a failed request, it should just return an error. I don't think this could be what happened. Moreover, Feather is missing, funds are missing, and I think Momma is more frontend-oriented than backend-oriented to figure out what really happened.
Hoping /u/Hugbunter can discover something. Good luck, guys.
I'm not sure I understand - Are you saying he drained the wallets due to an exploit, rather than having the address keys? Why would he replenish funds in either case?
Now I understand, that's quite the honorable move. I'll be conducting a bit of background research on this team to see if this type of behaviour is pervasive.
I mean I can't think differently when you were literally MIA for months and didn't say anything about AlphaBay 2. If you can hand me hover the head of DeSnake, I'll see you as a genuine admin.
I did... I wasn't MIA. We were rebuilding Dread and I made comments regarding it at the time and then looked into it as much as I could, it was quite clearly an exit scam and if I could dox him then I would. You have no idea how far I digged with that, the only things I confirmed were that he was in fact behind TitanXMPP, 100% and also found some very very old references to something very personal to him, which he published around the time of AB1 launch. I can't do much more than that.
Isn't FatherBear literally one of the owners of super? If so, there's not much that one can do in that scenario, my guy. There will always be holes in security that are unavoidable. What are you gonna lock the owner out of his own site to prevent stuff like this? No obviously not.
Respectfully, your comment seems ignorant to me. If it were that easy, why don't you have a site?
Working out on solution when the admin himself fucked the site? This is not a hole, this a whole failure and there is no reason to find a solution. It opens the possibility that MommaBear could also do that.
It breaks the concept of trust which is absolutely needed in a dark net marketplace.
That sounds more like a failure on your end. And pretty ironic. Tor is literally built off of the distrust we have in people. It is pretty much guaranteed that market's will experience malicious people like this. If you're saying that you actually have trust in things on the DW, you've already failed miserably.
MommaBear hasn't failed so far. So I don't know why you're saying that the entire site is a failure and they should just give up.
Again, how do you expect this be fixed? Assuming FatherBear is the owner, how do you expect one to lock themself out of certain things while also maintaining the security of the site?
If someone wants to keep people from stealing their gun, but still want to access it so they can defend themself, what do you propose prevents that gun owner from shooting innocent people? Have him put it in a safe and throw away the key? That kinda defeats the purpose.
I'm not saying that super is totally innocent & justified. It's still scary and shakes trust a bit, but you're acting like this could've been prevented.
I literally told you that it can't be fixed, trust is broken. This could have been prevented with more secure measure between the two admins and their access to the wallet.
- DS helped Mr White on the back-end which create a connection between them (maybe a stretch but I actually think he bought the market private RSA key).
- They have a rule about not doing anything in Post-Soviet/Russian related country like AlphaBay 2.
- Integrated ONION Jabber server like DS did with TitanXMPP.
I could be wrong but who knows, everything is fucked up in the dark net.
You're overthinking it. The front end looks and functions exactly as WHM did. WHM also had a jabber bot, and DrugHub is also easy with F/E. DeSnake was always escrow only to load up that pot for the exit.
Front-end is just another eckmar rip-off, I am not talking about the notification, this is a fully running private jabber server where people can register. I worked in AlphaBay 2 and there was many F/E vendor especially in the cocaine category which was making the big numbers.
A nice UI is not subjective. It's base on the ease of use for the people browsing a market.
Dread is very much based on postmill[.]xyz so yeah It's like saying DrugHub look like Eckmar .Good job on using irony to deflect the main point. A treat should be rewarded to you.
Nice as a descriptor makes a "nice UI" subjective imo. Nice;"pleasant; agreeable; satisfactory."
Japanese people have webpages that are extremely cluttered & condensed; they would find that nice, but wouldn't like streamlined and efficient pages of the Western world.
Anyway it all gets down to semantics and I'm sure it could go either way.
I actually think the initital design was (for a darknet market) quite ok, of course it had a lot of room of improvment like you have seen after my improvments, but for Vanilla Bootstrap and compared to other market your work was quite decent, especially since it is not your main expertise.
I actually redesigned the front page and did general changes (like the footer and header), that apply to all other pages. You can dislike my work, you are free to do so, but how is it an eckmar rip-off?
Everything has felt fucked up since WHM left the scene, quickly after so many decent markets exit scammed or left, havent seen anywhere close to the quality of drugs or vendors that were around at that time, UK lost like 90% of reliable vendors and the DNM have never been the same since.
HugBunter to the rescue once again.The closest thing to zorro we will ever see on the DN.Keep up the good work mate,you make the world a better place.Me love you long time
The last week here has been insane for all of us and the only person left to uphold any form of structure or professionalism day after day while marketplace administrators run off is you, hugbunter. Thank you for everything you do.
MommaBear is trying to do right. This situation is always a risk when there are multiple admins running a market. With recent high profile busts paranoia can grip market admins; they are only human.
Amen. I thought a "papa" would be a mommabear's husband! What the hell you dummies thinking? And you still owe me from a month ago. Memory is truth. Truth is memory, it can't be erased.
Yes completely crazy. Is that what you wanted to hear? My point is simply that it sounds like they are together as a couple with those 2 handles. I have bought from them and I did not know that they are both males. Why would many customers know that? That was my thought anyway for trust that made me want to do business there. I really do not want to do business with multiple owners, Capice?
Whenever I read about a DNM admin getting busted, I feel more safe myself as I notice they all are retards and make the most stupid mistakes you could do, so I feel more bold to engage in illegal activity.
I bet Narco710 probably thought the same thing ... While a entire task force was investigating him. LE invested considerable resources on that case for sure
i bet the employee in inglewood who worked for narco710 who started stealing orders and sending out gutted packs to the customers, a few weeks before the bust, was a task force spy prior to day zero of their employment with narco710. i bet that person already had the whistle between their lips, holding their breath, waiting for narco710 to say the magic words, "YOU'RE FIRED!"
I bet fucking up his operation at its nucleus was their directive long before their actions began to indicate any hint of mutiny.
trust is essential... so trust yourself.
i'm convinced that mommabear is not a bad actor here. i'm sure he wishes he had known enough about how to run things solo and prevent this, in hindsight. i am also speculating that mommabear will achieve just that, someday in the future, with a new market, under a new identity.
Are we assuming mommabear is a he? genuinely asking. I thought it was a she or i guess assumed. I mean to be honest, who's to say mommabear and fatherbear are not the same person? It doesnt make sense to have a co-admin if they aren't capable of creating a market and running the day to day operations on their own. Just playing devils advocate. Personally, i never ordered from Super market but i've deff been fucked by rouge market admins in the past. It never gets easier
Yeah, Paris, but paranoia runs less rampant with solid understanding of good opsec...laziness is probably more dangerous than paranoia imho...the fact is, if you can't take the heat, stay ya ass out the kitchen....hindsight is a bitch, so ya gotta think about what you're REALLY prepared to deal with BEFORE you get put in a trance by the money....and we all know it only takes ONE uncrossed T or undotted I to screw the pooch royally....
but why didn't use a multi-sig wallet for escrow wallet? seems that should be the way when theres more than 1 owner.
that's too bad, new market but had lots of potential, seems lots of buyers won't get their products and lots of vendors who shipped wont get their coins.
give it time. it's not easy to accept the fact that goldie is a slutty little seductress with daddy issues who prefers the company of grizzly men. yes, men, as in, plural mans. simultaneously. uncle fester even tapped that and i video taped it. mommabear has good reason to be holding fatherbear responsible. he's the one with the keys to goldie's loveshack.
JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, I HAD A SIDE DEAL GOING ON AND /u/mommabear WAS/IS HANDLING MY ESCROW FOR THE PURCHASE. SHE REACHED OUT TO ME SO I WAS COULD FIND OUT FROM HER, THAT SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AND THANKFULLY MY FUNDS WEREN'T IN THE MARKETS WALLET DUE TO THIS BEING A FAVOR, SHE WAS DOING FOR ME AT NO COST, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO REVEAL MYSELF TO THE SUPPLIER. SHE ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO I COULD GET THE MONEY BACK OR CONTINUE THE DEAL. I REALLY FEEL BAD FOR HER AS SHE HELPED ME GET MY FIRST PUSH AT FE AND SHOW THAT I WAS A VIABLE VENDOR. DONT THROW SHADE ON HER, SHES NOT THE CULPRIT.
how the fuck isnt she the culprit, i even doubt her, when this is happening for the second time we are the idiots to belive in her, i fucking lost around 20grand, will she pay us
/u/MommaBear has never shown me anything for me to believe I can't trust her - of course I still trust no one on the DNMs, but I have confidence she will make this right to the fullest of her capabilities.
You should never put your trust into anyone; Greed is a very powerful thing.
Keep access to any wallets in the future, to yourself, and yourself only.
Sorry to hear this though, very devastating news to come online and be met with. Wish you guys the best, hope you can recover.
I have been donating to Super, they have a donations tab. And I 100% will continue to donate (in higher quantity) if /u/MotherBear can get through this major blow. We have a decent amount of pending orders that we did not get their shipping information down, so I hope she can get the website back up soon.
Curious to know if /u/BigBossChefOfArchetyp would be willing to lend a hand in some way here. Maybe they and MommaBear can come together as a community. Just my thoughts though.
This lad is special, he runs a twitter account where he gives out "points" and "valuation" based on a random number generator on his Twitter profile.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMqCEHFWAAAPY6X.jpg - can you explain this /u/DarkWebInformer and tell us how you come up with your numbers and what do "points" mean? Why you label certain markets worse than others?
Yes, we felt honored when our valuation reached 30 million. Ever since I was trying to get public, got in touch with Blackrock but they did not respond to my offer yet.
Dont even mention Arche or BigBossChefOfArchetyp. Go ask d/drughub for handouts. Since you are keeping tabs, they were a little short from the last market.
Yet another example of why no one trusts markets anymore - it's beyond ridiculous. Traffic and sales have plummeted and this shit show is only going to compound the problem.
I'm only dealing with vendors directly who have a solid reputation and a proven track record - markets and their admin/owners can NOT be trusted.
i agree and am interested in dealing with vendors directly. anywhere that idea is gathering traction that you know of. like some independent vendor registrar? that'd be so cool!
Another exit scam. As fast as you started, so end. People are losing money and I'm surprised how the trustees (DREAD) have stood up for Mommabear. Hey, people lost money, guys! How do you know she has nothing to do with it? Because she reported it? This is a good step. But we're not all crazy here, as you think. I'm not saying it's her fault but it's suspicious how she wants to save it and thinks how everyone will support her while she and Fatherbear may be enjoying your money together and laughing at how stupid you are!! It is naïve to think that people will continue to trade in this market. And then it happens again, God forbid. So Mommabear won't do anything about it if it doesn't compensate for the damage caused by the market. Dad left the family and fled with full bags. Avoid the supermarket! This is a warning to you!
That sucks, I hope he has a change of heart. These days nobody can be trusted. Why was he the person with exclusive access to both wallets? Not trying to spread blame, just curious why the heirchy put him at the top level of control over finances.
good on the transparency, market is booming and always isr improvings
but if you could take a moment, there are some things that are slowing down business so so much
Honestly, he probably realized he might have been making similar mistakes. People become careless when the money starts rolling in. Any somewhat competent market admin, would not have been spooked by the incognito news. The mistakes that man made were a result of carelessness, laziness and a lack of basic common sense. It's very surprising he was able to construct such a huge enterprise with that tiny brain of his.
i said makes sense but actually it's bullshit, but i get what Raid it's saying.
this market went 100% on marketing and paid much less attention to what users say, usability, security and other important things
it says it logs me in for 6 hours it feels like it logs me out every 15 minutes , the lack of attention to everything apart from marketing is why i almost never use it and now when i try it missing the cryptos. how can a bear run away with money it's hands can't carry all that
Well damn, no matter what you do that black cloud keeps following you. Sorry that you once again find yourself on the short end of the stick. There can be no denying that being a market admin or vendor comes with significant risks from multiple fronts.
DoingFedTime did you also help this market? are you doing pr damage control for them like you did before. cmonnnnnnn newbie you better post this on your youtube channel. i want to hear the depression in your voice. this is the most nothing burger statement i've heard. pick a opinion for once.
I appreciate that you credit me for being an alt of DoingFedTime whose work I admire and I would love to take a bow for his comments and YouTube videos but alas we are not the same person. This is a compliment to me so even though that was not your intent thank you! /u/DoingFedTime please know that I appreciate you and never lay claim to your achievements.
I am not doing damage control. I doubt that I had more than one, two at most, conversations with Fatherbear in the entire time that Super has been around. /u/Mommabear is a different story who has always been friendly and very communicative with me. It is my sincere belief that MommaBear is a person of good character and if he/she had anything to do with this it would be pointless to hang around to take the blame.
As far as having one market admin solely controlling a market we saw what happened when Desnake failed to update his canary locking down AB2 and his staff helpless to do anything about it. Pharoah also ruled the roost and how did that work out? The flaw is not in having two admins on a market but rather that one of them was less than stellar in character apparently.
You may indeed have heard the depression in my voice because it saddens me that this most likely will be the end of Supermarket, a market that I truly like.
If you were not aware I also like Archetyp market and am subdread moderator of /d/archetyp. My opinion that you seek is that both markets were the best of the bunch prior to this. I did not think that Supermarket would recover from their last incident tbh, but sure was happy that they did so.
If you check my post history you will find me state on multiple occasions that no one should spend more than they can afford to lose with any vendor or market. I also advise vendors to make a mental ceiling regarding how much they are willing to risk in escrow and once that amount is reached they should go on vacay mode until it drops.
thats how it is, when market go away the owners rob the piggy bank. this was only done by one of them tho, so the lesson is for markets to only run by 1 mod.'
This news is definitely a sad one. I logged in some minutes ago and when I saw this news on the front page, I was extremely touched and I tried to reach out to /u/Fatherbear to see if I can convince him and see if I'd succeed, but I noticed that his account has been banned.
I hope you get the justice that you deserve because we all know that you really do not deserve this type of betrayal.
3 weeks ago lost 28k in two min...today walked the dog instead of dropping 15k into new favorite market. Gotta feelz pappabitch might have signed his papers....PS fucktards who take opp to tell cats they are morons when loot goes poof can eat a fat dick....all good its the wildwest fucker...we orderin missles meth muscle n clones,,,,fuckin awesome!
Looks like it, he probably worked with Pharoah AKA Rui-Siang Lin in the past and since LE has Incognito's data from the last few years they already know who FatherBear is via KYC usage or some other mistake.
Yep, wish we accepted and marked shipped some pending orders right away. Got a few orders that are pending, so we didn't get the shipping address down, nor get the FE money begin making its way over to our wallet.
I am little pissed. How can a bear get afraid and run away with money and is a mother and father not family.
I turned off FE to give confidence to customers but only recently returned to using Super because usually it logs me out every fucking 5 seconds
As soon as this type of stuff happens I'll be honest I just start to use other services. Not even worth the risk. Good luck to you all and stay safe but also remember things trend
The truth is, if it happened one time, it could happen in future too, we don't know if it's true, but even if it's true, maybe there is some ssh key or any other rat in Super Market backend. Take care
i can't imagine with how momma carries himself and talks about how much he cares in any world he would let anyone but himself into his own wallets. 100% early exit then another later exit.
Exactly this, why the fuck would there be 2 market admins and no multi-sig? Not that a multi-sig would even matter but they don't even try to hide it anymore. They don't wine us and dine us with the buzz words "walletless, multi-sig trustless" ... Just straight in the ass, no lube.
Supermarket- 2
Simps- 0
I fuck with dread but they are way off base with this shit.
We would like to report that we received a XMR withdrawal yesterday. Hope things get sorted out, /d/Super has the best usability out of all the new markets.
It is really SUPER, but guys, what are we talking about? :D What reboot? This is already over, no matter whose fault it is, trust has been lost, I think that if you really think so, you have to start all over again, because after that, anyone who is serious will no longer participate. I certainly don't, but good luck
DNMs and such services should be operated by individuals, not groups. Specially not with people you don't know in real life. Fellow man is the most volatile point of failure. (Or rather, fellow bear in this case.)
this market stunk from the first time they lost funds and now this... we stayed away to see how they would progress after the first problem and we were correct to not continue on it as they fell on their face quite fast.
Thank You for letting us know. Hope everything gets fixed, because this stuff is starting to get old... None the less much love from our team.
- ExpressDrugs
This is a shame. I am skeptical now and will remain careful. Remember that the feds can sometimes take over
markets and act like this type of situation is going down. Then reopen the market and watch transactions and
find loops in opsec. This could also be an exit scam and the end of the super market among other things. Either way
be incredibly careful especially for any vendors on this market.
I am just hoping mama bear will make this right. Who knows.
I may be jumping the gun but it appears that boar hunting season has started early. The bloke deserves to catch a 308 to the skull if the accusations are truthful. /u/mommabear
I'm sorry to hear this has happened I hope that you Eva decide to keep your cave to your self or find someone who is not the type to turn tail and run with the property of the Pack because due to cowardly nature or greed. Thanks /u/hugbunter for being the type of person who has the inner bravery and inherent moral Compass that never strays from North.
You're such a fucking sucker?
If you are both admins it means that you know him and that you trust him, we would have already kicked him out where he has the funds, and he would be at the bottom of the sea with a fucking stone.
This is not serious!
Do you take us for fools or are you the fool?
With business you don't mess around with bullshit!!!!
I think you're a fucking swindler!
What you say nobody believes it!!!!
Let's see if you're lucky, but you'll probably end up in prison or dead.
No market lasts forever, they all either get caught, shutdown or exitscam.
It's rare that one of the admins actually remains and attempts to do damage control.
this is still going to be an issue on every market but i would suggest that the wallets have to get double permission from both owners in every large transaction idk how would that be done tho but maybe some smart person can figure that out
well i hope you get things get fixed /u/MommaBear youve alway been good to me as for /u/FatherBear youre a POS hands down thats the only thing to say for you!
Echoes of Bohemia dancing in my head. Spooked indeed. A protracted exit scam seems to be the new thing. Wait and watch kiddies, I had many a late night pow-wow with DPR, and after a while, you see these things coming down Sixth Avenue before anyone even knows what's happening.
Of course, I could be wrong, but then I thought the 3 little bears just had bad house guest manners. Ate all the porridge, that sort of thing.
I thought MommaBear and FatherBear were totally cool, but in hindsight, the first clue should've been - they were named Momma and Father, not Mama and Papa like in the story,
Never once thought there was any trouble in paradise, but the writing was on the wall,
Just spare us the long drawn out messy scam. Do it like a Band-Aid. One clean rip-off!
If /u/MotherBear works through this issue, with or without /u/FatherBear's participation, PLEASE donate to the market. They have a donation tab and many of us vendors do already send donations their way for their great service and customer support. If MotherBear can work through losing so many funds for a second time in a short span and make things whole for the customers and vendors, she owes to be repaid for some of those lost funds.
I have had nothing but great interactions with MotherBear, I trust her more than any other market's admins I've spoken to.
It's never supposed to be a compliment. Telling someone they'd make a good politician means that you're a good liar that makes a ton of good sounding promises in order to b8 people to believe and fall for your words then as soon as everything is said and done, you pull the rug under everyone's feet and walk away laughing your ass off.
Don't really see why McMahon would've told you that since you don't seem to work for SM but it's McMahon dude, don't take anything seriously coming from him.
Thanks Captain Obvious haha. But yeah in fact Super does have a pretty substantial lobbying group who takes all Dread admins, mods, and top vendors on lavish vacations every few months so we shill for them.
I'm a vendor on Super. The site isn't even up, you can't send XMR to Super right now... if you are logging into Super right now you are on a phishing site. If you did any amount of research you'd see I've been telling people that I do not think funds will be recovered from Super. HugBunter has said pretty clearly the situation is fucked.
No, it wasn't. If MommaBear replaces everyone's funds and gets the market afloat again after her partner stole every dollar they had, I will be donating a large sum to the market.
It's certainly possible MommaBear and FatherBear are just the same person, and they're POS's. I've had quite a few interactions with MommaBear though and she was always extremely helpful and intelligent. From what I've been told by people more in the know, it does seem like FatherBear robbed the project blind. Although, I would find it incredibly dumb for them not to have multisig wallets where they both need to sign off movement of funds. I'm diligently waiting for an official update from MommaBear.
I'm now considering it a lose though ultimately. I don't imagine MommaBear has enough funds to fix this issue and keep everything running smoothly. People smarter and more in the know than either of us are working to figure out what happened and where to go from here.
That was exceedingly foolish, to say the least, and it raises the possibility that mama and father are the same person. He was able to recover from his earlier XMR glitch and return online; but, when he recovered the cash and noticed a large sum in escrow, he decided to pull the string and accuse his alt account, fatherbear. Two administrators can operate a market, but the majority are close friends or even brothers, so there will be no foul play. How on earth could they both not consider doing a mulsig? Everyone is convinced, and I can't blame them. Mommabear was convincing and kind too.
You're naive at best for trusting "her". Did you learn nothing from Bohemia? I'm having nothing to do with Supermarket ever again. Go over the details of what happened with Bohemia and how that owner strung everyone along like the Grinch saying he was merely taking the tree back to Santa's workshop to fix a bulb that was out, and everyone playing along. It was sad. What's just as sad, is seeing history repeating so soon and people still falling for the same routine.
I didn't say I trust her, I said I trust her more than any other market admin I've spoken to.
History will always repeat itself. Unless a market REQUIRES multisig, why would you trust any of them?
^ THIS ^ LMAO! Holy shit! When they passed out the bullshit, you took more than your fair share. You remind me of someone from the Hub whom I used to spar with now and then. Ring any bells? Because you're a dead ringer.
I literally have zero interest to argue or debate with you. You've provided nothing, you just have nothing better to do. No one gives a fuck about the fucking Grinch and Santa and shit. I am an involved vendor on Super and care about the community, I've spoken to HugBunter, Paris, newbie, HeadJanitor, and more to help figure what happened and where to go from here. Also, stop signing your messages like some big shot John Hancock, it looks fuckin stupid.
You're not who i thought you are but you're still full of shit. That's a nice as I can put it. Who you spoke with doesn't impress me as I'm not a part of this community. I just post here occasionally. I wouldn't want to be a part of any group or organization that would have someone like me for a member, anyway. My sig is supposed to mimick two sperm cells with sunglasses on, just to show my disdain for forums. Just for old times sake, I'll give you my original one. John Hancock? Never got that compliment before, but thanks. Good luck "figuring it out" I'm certain those names you've dropped already have.
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Your first thought when seeing me comment on anything is to put a negative spin on it, the market cannot just continue under the same parameters and its unacceptable by any market for this to happen even once, but twice... I'm calling it for what it is, this is an exit scam by the Admin, the difference here being a co-admin still being here to immediately report that and own up to what has happened. There likely isn't much that can be done here, but will talk through it with MB properly once they have rested.
While I respect the honesty and attempt to fix things and MB's dedication, the market shouldn't have gone back online until there were measures taken to avoid the same thing happening.
Nobody can guarantee that the one owner won't run off too, but the owner runs off, exit scam, market done. Period.
I guess I should've done my homework better on the SM.
That is definitely a different story than an Admin theft and is understandable.
I'll keep the faith. Good of you to help MB out, best of luck to you all!
Malicious user input was ruled out as it ocurred on a fixed amount from a dispute refund and they had lock protections for repeat requests. Which if true and if their protections worked as expected, would point to a possibility of the same transaction being possible to become a batch transaction with multiple amounts (all the same in this case) being submitted in the transaction when a timeout occurs. If this was a problem outside of their applications, then it opens the idea to a zero day in the Monero RPC, which I do find unlikely, or possibly they were using a library for the RPC communication which is mis-handling timeout exceptions.
This is an alt account for obvious reasons but yea, I came here to share my thoughts on this.
What I think happened here is literally what the dev claimed did NOT happen. A race condition resulting from a failure to lock db reads/writes during dispute refund process.
-> Endpoint (E) gets called and results in a function (F) responsible for a dispute refund being called
-> Function (F) opens TCP socket to call Monero API endpoint (Let's say via TOR so we can really visualize the amount time this would take)
-> Takes forever [...]
-> Endpoint (E) gets called once again (100 times for example)
-> Function (F) gets called 100 times and hits the code segment responsible for calling the Monero API endpoint as the first RPC call still hasn't finished and the involved db records are not locked.
-> Even if the first RPC call finishes and the code segment responsible for updating the involved DB record to reflect that it has already been refunded does its job, by the time it does, the other API calls will have been made already.
-> Boom
There could be plenty of similar scenarios like failures related to committing db transactions etc. To be fair, I don't know what DB / tech stack in general they use to perform operations like this but I have certainly run into similar problems.
Also, nobody would use such a valuable chain exploit to drain the wallet of such a small project.
Cheers Hug :)
Hoping /u/Hugbunter can discover something. Good luck, guys.
He once said I'll ask the admin to restart the Titan server, and magically the restart was done instantly.
Someone told me you like childrens, and this is why you are so angry at the world.
Respectfully, your comment seems ignorant to me. If it were that easy, why don't you have a site?
It breaks the concept of trust which is absolutely needed in a dark net marketplace.
MommaBear hasn't failed so far. So I don't know why you're saying that the entire site is a failure and they should just give up.
If someone wants to keep people from stealing their gun, but still want to access it so they can defend themself, what do you propose prevents that gun owner from shooting innocent people? Have him put it in a safe and throw away the key? That kinda defeats the purpose.
I'm not saying that super is totally innocent & justified. It's still scary and shakes trust a bit, but you're acting like this could've been prevented.
But I don't comprehend any of the core coding/site building and maintenance stuff. That is far beyond me.
Sorry to everyone affected by SM.
Just got caught up on the Pharoah stuff a few days ago. But I'll pop into that thread for that.
- They have a rule about not doing anything in Post-Soviet/Russian related country like AlphaBay 2.
- Integrated ONION Jabber server like DS did with TitanXMPP.
I could be wrong but who knows, everything is fucked up in the dark net.
Eckmar ? Lmao.
Come on Snake, you said you'll update the design of DrugHub and haven't done so.. is that because you told me you are shit with Front-end?
Here you are right, that's why someone else was hired to do the UI. "Nice UI" is subjective, some like it some don't, that's fine.
But saying it's Eckmar it's like saying Dread is phpBB lmao. Keep'em coming chief, I find your deep knowledge of everything quite amusing.
Dread is very much based on postmill[.]xyz so yeah It's like saying DrugHub look like Eckmar .Good job on using irony to deflect the main point. A treat should be rewarded to you.
Japanese people have webpages that are extremely cluttered & condensed; they would find that nice, but wouldn't like streamlined and efficient pages of the Western world.
Anyway it all gets down to semantics and I'm sure it could go either way.
ffs this last year has been fucking brutal sadly.
FYI, if you are unable to connect, try SHIFT + CTRL + L. That'll refresh with new circuit that's hopefully filled with less traffic.