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FENT POSITIVE - SacredHagiophobia (Saint Judas) China White #4 : Opiates | Torhoo darknet markets

I bought the (Saint Judas) China White #4 Original "NOFENT" after seeing all the reviews on here about it.

Then I tested it. Not one, not two, but THREE dancesafe test sticks popped for fent:

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EXTREMELY disappointing. I was so excited about those prices that I was planning to buy enough to last me the next 2 years lol. I even talked to the guy and gave him OPSEC advice when he asked for it and he seemed like a chill dude.

Maybe he gave me the wrong one, maybe ALL THREE of my fent sticks were bad, maybe all those other reviews were sockpuppets, I don't know...

I do know that I just wasted my money as well as my last three fent strips.

I thought long and hard about whether to write this, but it's the right thing to do. Sorry https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlUyRmpjbVZrU0dGbmFXOXdhRzlpYVdFPQ==#. You seemed like an okay guy, but I can't knowingly allow people to die from mislabeled drugs, even if they're idiots who can't be bothered to test it first. Whether it's the smart thing to do, one can only hope.

Lessons learned:
1)Always test your shit.

2)ALWAYS TEST YOUR SHIT, RETARDS. Fent strips are 2 bucks each with FREE SHIPPING from dancesafe.org. You have no excuse not to.

3)If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

4)Don't needlessly speak to whoever you're buying from. If you do, don't give them a single hint about who you are.

He has my address and knows which day my pack arrived. Hopefully he doesn't try to harm me for telling the truth. If I stop posting or commenting for more than 2 weeks, I guess you guys will know what happened to me lol

5)Don't give them OPSEC advice when they ask for it either, apparently. If this mislabeling was intentional, then I just potentially helped kill some of his future customers. Not a great feeling.

6)If the vendor sells fent products as well as #4, there's a chance that this may happen. Let this serve as a warning.

I don't care that fent is being sold on the markets, but it needs to be labeled correctly. It is quite literally a matter of life and death, and I don't want to watch any more friends die from something that could have been easily prevented by a little fucking honesty.

EDIT: Didn't think I'd have to explain this to you guys, but I am not accusing him of anything. Aside from the hard fact of the three positive fent sticks, these are POSSIBILITIES, not conclusions.

/u/Rob358_dnma

3 points

6 months ago*

I tested my order with the exact same fent strips as yours (new -and apparently improved- dancesafe yellow strips) and it tested negative for fent. Also tested it for xylazine btw and was also negative. Initially I assumed maybe you received the wrong product as he does sell both synthetic and H, but after I opened your photo I can verify the H I received looks just like that as well.

Next thing is did you dilute it properly. Dilution is very important to get accurate results. From the instruction sheet you need 50mg of product for 5 ml of water (10mg/ml) . If you just add any amount of water to any amount of product the dilution will not be appropriate for testing and you can get a false positive or false negative. Now if the dilution was done appropriately, then the only thing left is cross contamination which leaves me scratching my head as they made quite a few statements about how important it is for them to sell fent free product and reduce cross contamination.

Im working on my review currently and was thinking of posting in a couple days but figured I should comment on this thread.

Edit: I do have reagents as well which I will use to test with for the review, I havent done so yet because I had to take out the fridge and let it get down to room temperature before using.

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Yes I used the exact ratio for product and water for all three of them. What are the of chances of getting a false positive three times in a row?

/u/Rob358_dnma

1 points

6 months ago

If all was done as you are supposed to including dilution then highly highly unlikely.

I only tested once myself, since it was negative I didnt want to waste more tests but I will test again before posting my review. I wish you had reagents (I read the other comments) as that would give us a clearer answer to whether this was cross contamination or sent the wrong product. The photo looks just like what I received but its possible they both look similar.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

You could possibly have a bad batch of strips. Too bad you don't have any other reagents

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

It's possible. Like I said in another comment, all I can do is post the photo and give my testimony. If it were just one or two sticks I may not have even said anything. I just figured the chances of three false positives in a row seemed particularly unlikely, and it's better that I say something than not, just in case. Hopefully I'm either mistaken or it's just a one-off thing.

Yea I never got more after losing them cause I figured I wouldn't really need them lol. Plus they're expensive.

/u/MayIBangOnThis

1 points

6 months ago

did you place a full order or you're talking about a sample?

/u/Rob358_dnma

1 points

5 months ago

Yes it was a full order not a sample. I wasnt so lucky to get a sample while they were up.

/u/mindstate

2 points

6 months ago

I gave him a positive review (not a sockpuppet) and although I had not tested it when I posted the review, my fent strips came back negative for fent.

Just subjectively, it doesn't SEEM like it has fent (for whatever that's worth... probably not much... lol) especially because it hits me as on the energetic side. Wouldn't fent make it a strong downer? And lots of sedation? Idk... I have never knowingly tried fent.

I'm sorry about your experience.

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

2 points

6 months ago

Thanks man. The other guys are saying it might be bad sticks but I don't know. They were still in their individual packaging. I guess I can always order more and try it again.

/u/heeradog

1 points

6 months ago

Still waiting on an order from last week. Did yours show up on informed delivery?

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Mine did.

/u/mindstate

1 points

6 months ago

Yes it did.

/u/owlshirt

2 points

6 months ago*

If the vendor sells fent products as well as #4

This I just don't understand. Recently I read a review here that stated that X's heroin was clean (despite them selling synthetic stuff too) and that you could trust him, because they were nice in PM's and guaranteed that they work in a clean environment. Why would anyone believe that? Why would you ever take such a risk? Every vendor says that they work super cleanly and that they test all the batches they get, and most are just saying whatever will get them sales.

If you need fentanyl, nitzene, or xylazine free heroin, then don't order from vendors that sell that stuff. It's that simple. And especially don't order from vendors that are okay with selling contaminated product. Even if they happen to come across a clean batch once, they'll just sell you cut shit the moment their source becomes unavailable. And if not that the idiot they pay to pack will screw up and send you the wrong stuff at some point.

/u/[deleted]

2 points

6 months ago

This is what https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlUyRmpjbVZrU0dGbmFXOXdhRzlpYVdFPQ==# DM'd me

"Since im not in opiates cause im banned could you forward a comment since i cant defend myself.... First off being there is no fent in my product and i can 100% guarante that plenty of people have gotten my product and tested it and what would you know FENT FREE also dam i forgot what i was gonna say im so annoyed that i cant answer myself"

/u/PissjugSupreme
/u/Jean4rmAvengers

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Just as he can't be certain that none of us are feds, we can't be certain that he is who he says he is either. I can only go off the fact that 3 of my fent sticks showed positive, and I'm obligated to share that fact because I don't want people to die. As I said above, it could be the sticks, I don't know. Better safe than sorry. If everything turns out okay, then I apologize for causing a ruckus.

Thanks /u/IMissMexicanConnection

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

what do you mean if everything tuirns out okay? you already accused him of trying to do physical harm to you this is the part that just blows my mind..

you go from saying maybe the sticks went bad somehow? to right after it saying "tell people what happened and hope that no harm comes to me because of it."

and again here when you said Now even if it WAS a tiny mistake, I can't even order from him again because I can't trust that he won't try to fuck me over for writing this

These are bold claims and conclusions you came to. Word have meaning.

/u/heeradog

2 points

6 months ago

Damn, blast from the past. This Sacred vendor reminded me of you (stupid low prices) and now you show up. Are you guys linked? Getting back in the game? Bring back the $40gs!

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

2 points

6 months ago*

Yes words have meaning, but you need to read them first:

HOPEFULLY he doesn't try to harm me for telling the truth

MAYBE the sticks went bad

HOPE that no harm comes to me

And no I can't trust that he won't. I have no idea who he is. Neither do you. Not a single person here can tell me with 100% certainty that any of these things are impossible. Even if they did, they'd be lying, or trying to curry favor with the vendor, or possibly even the vendor himself posting under a different name...

I'd much rather be doing something other than getting yelled at and called crazy by a bunch of strangers on the darknet, but it seems crazier to act like one should blindly put his or her life in the hands of a brand new, unvetted vendor.

everything turns out okay = HOPEFULLY nobody dies, HOPEFULLY everybody tests their shit, HOPEFULLY it was just some freak accident that churned out three false positives in a row so I can at least have the solace of being able to enjoy the drugs I bought without having to worry about hitting a hotspot

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

Yeah you seem semi intelligent so im sure you know exactly what your doing when you say stuff like that "hopefully he dosent hurt me" like cmon

The only thing you going to accomplish is by getting a whole lot of thosy shitty type customers the ones that will get one over on you the minute they can to start the whole product has fent and he wont refund bullshit ahhhhh its like it was just yesterday i remmeber it all so clearly why vendors go from nice to no response

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago*

And you seem unusually invested in this for someone who is supposedly a bystander.

I need to protect myself however I can, and vendor retaliation has happened before. More times than one can count. It is a legitimate concern, and one felt by most buyers. I don't know why you keep trying to play it down.

It is both weird and ironic that he applauded this same sense of caution when I was giving him OPSEC advice, but all of a sudden it's "crazy" when it's applied toward him.

It's not like I wanted this to happen. I'd much rather have gotten a negative result and been enjoying my drugs quietly and peacefully on my own, and not having to deal with a bunch of bullshit from randos on the darkweb. Even just one negative result out of the three, and I may not have even said anything, but the chances of three false positives in a row are exceedingly slim and I've already lost way too many friends to that shit. Bad luck for me, I guess.

Not only that, but another guy said it popped hot for him too, so maybe I actually did do the right thing by speaking up.

Assuming the guy had enough supply, why even sell anything with fent in it in the first place? The demand for decent clean domestic #4 is INSANE right now. At those prices, he would have cornered the market. Nobody would be buying from anybody BUT him. The fent just seems to invite distrust. I don't get it.

/u/waxman440

2 points

6 months ago

I just got my 5g order in and all 3 of my dance safe fent strips popped hot :( seems like another new vendor is down the drain for me. I knew his prices were to good to be true but fuck man without his shit i am out

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago*

Shit man I'm sorry to hear that. I was starting to get my hopes up that it was a stick malfunction or something... At least you're in good company lol

/u/MayIBangOnThis made a great comment on how to do some even while hot(thanks again man), hopefully it helps:

/post/8a00ba81e7817334a128/#c-07a4ff9e987b220b56

/u/theminimalist481

2 points

6 months ago

Same thing with me 3 diff bags, 3 positive for fent. Liebermann regeant came out black indicating that it is H though.

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Thanks man, this is making me glad I said something. Hopefully everybody else is testing as well.

/u/theminimalist481

2 points

5 months ago

Actually now looking back one test has an extremely faint line

/u/Rob358_dnma

1 points

5 months ago

Yeah a faint line is still a negative. It says so in the package itself you may have to use a bright light to see it. As I mentioned in DMs I didnt know what an actual positive looks like until I tested fent. There no shadow of a line even barely. If you can see an outline of a line or where the line should be then it is a negative. Im working on posting my review though idk how much it will even matter at this point. Everyone should test their own product at least hopefully now people start doing that.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago*

Nooooooooo!

Are you sure? /u/cthulhuskittens tested it and got a negative.

They also sent it to a lab and still are waiting on that test though,

cthulhuskittens is pretty reputable too

/post/8bff522e9c01be4c9274

Another test saying fent negative
/post/c0ca8f274b587166ec1c

Does anyone else have any other recent reviews?

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

All three popped. Like I said, he may have sent me the wrong one or something, but who knows...

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

That sucks. He was gonna be my next purchase

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Tell me about it. I was crazy excited, and now I have to worry about if he'll try to fuck with me for posting this. Bullshit.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

Maybe cross contamination. Do you have any reagent test kits besides the strips?

cthulhuskittens and mindstate are def not a sock puppet thats for sure

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

No they got thrown out when I moved, unfortunately. Yea he seems legit. I don't know, too disappointed to bother any further. Hopefully everybody else who ordered from him will actually test their stuff so we can find out.

/u/waxman440

1 points

6 months ago

So my pack just landed. Reagent showed it was heroin but 3 different samples of his h popped hot for fent. Just got my batch today. I messaged him and asked what was up. Maybe he sent me the wrong powder? I don't wanna go and accuse this guy of purposely sending me fent when he could've easily sent me his fent mix since he was so bogged with orders. I'll update after I talk to him but so far I ordered his clean #4 and I got fent.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

Also I don't understand the opsec advice part? Why would it be intentional?

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

I said IF it was intentional. There's no way for me to tell if it was or not.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

I just don't understand the statement I guess. Like why not give opsec advice? Anyway. sucks it happened. Maybe its just a mix up, hopefully they respond

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

2 points

6 months ago

Because IF it was intentional, I would have been helping somebody who didn't give a single fuck about how many people his negligence killed. Which means that in the future, if somebody dies from his shit and he doesn't get punished for it because of the things I told him, I would be partly responsible.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

Ok I get you now. Thanks for the explanation.

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

It's possible he ran out of #4 and used some of the synthetic stuff hoping nobody would notice.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

that'd be crazy irresponsible lol

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

I am as shocked as you are, if not more so. Now even if it WAS a tiny mistake, I can't even order from him again because I can't trust that he won't try to fuck me over for writing this. But it's not like I can't tell people what happened, since that'd be even more irresponsible. I'm pissed that I even have to be put in this position at all.

/u/MayIBangOnThis

2 points

6 months ago

check out my comment for the proper dilution for the fent test. r

regardless, if you want to safely try it out, you should dissolve 500mg into 50ml of water within a spray bottle (can buy them at CVS - saline nasal spray, comes in an orange bottle). each spray is about 0.1ml (ranges from 0.05ml to 0.1ml), so each spray therefore yields 0.01ml * (500mg / 50 ml) = 1mg. thus, each spray is a single milligram. if it were *pure fentanyl*, this would be about 50-75mg of H, well under the lethal amount. you can further dilute if you'd like - for instance, 50mg into 50ml to yield 0.1mg per spray to be extra careful. then titrate up from there. this is what i did when i suspected the dog food had fent because of my positive hits. through this process (and by stepping upward), i ultimately realized it felt just like H and likely did not have fent in it, or if it did, had vanishingly small amounts. this is safe because the water makes sure the drug is distributed evenly.

if it does have perceptible fent in it, it will be pretty obvious from the effect. then you can toss it out. if it doesn't, you can continue using it via the spray bottle, just increasing the potency of future mixtures carefully.

you can also call Never Use Alone while doing this in the extremely unlikely case of, like, carfent being in there or something. or just to have someone watching over you. NUA has never had someone die on them who used the service. it's brilliant.

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Thanks for taking the time to try and help, man. I still have a bunch of clean #4 on hand so I'm not running out any time soon. I'm just exasperated at losing money and a possible new hookup and being forced into a situation that potentially puts my well-being at risk.

/u/MayIBangOnThis

1 points

6 months ago

i got you! just saying i've had false positives before so not all might be lost. it was all due to the dilution. but that really sucks if it is indeed really tainted. fuck fent

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Yea I mean I'll probably still use it if I ever run out of the clean stuff lol. You know how it is.

I had the ratio right too. Like I said in my post, maybe the sticks went bad somehow? They were all still in their original packaging. I don't know. One would think that there would be a line on at least one out of the three if they were false positives.

All I can do is post the photo of it and tell people what happened and hope that no harm comes to me because of it. He didn't seem like a terrible person when I talked to him, but it's the darknet and you can never really tell, unfortunately.

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

Shit, If I was a vendor I wouldnt even let you order from me you sound like a fucking looney i have only been back for 15 minutes and some of the shit im read coming from you is insane. You have literally thrown out 3 or 4 different conclusions. Not a single one giving him the benefit of the doubt. Definately a customer you dont want purchasing from you but what do I know.

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Possibilities, not conclusions. And I stopped being able to afford to give him the benefit of the doubt when I talked to him off-market and told him the day I expected my package, which I admit was my own fault.

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

So wait is this about the fent positive test you say got or that your pack was late?

told him the day I expected my package

May I ask why you recieved your pack late? vendors fault? usps fault? no ones fault shit happens?

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

Never said I received my pack late. The fact that he knows what day my pack came means he can check the tracking of the orders and find out who I am, which means I need to bring up the fact that he could possibly do harm to me and head it off in order to protect myself. I figured that part was self-explanatory, but I guess not.

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

You know what else is crazy irresponsible?

The op being allowed to wildly say these crazy ideas shes coming up with first off you must not seem to know much about H and Fent. Syntethic China White what they seem to be calling it now adays is White very white. Natural H is not white at all but A creamish tan color theres no "not noticing"

/u/MayIBangOnThis

1 points

6 months ago*

there's no way he ran out already. he just got started. unless it's a get-rich-quick scheme that will blow up in his face summarily.

fwiw, my dancesafe strips popped positive on el bandito's dog food back in the day. i don't know if i didn't get the concentration right or what. but multiple strips popped.

i sent it to GYDT (professional lab-testing service in Canada), and it was negative. only diacetylmorphine, 6-MAM, and vitamin B - as stated. those strips were picking up on something that wasn't there.

sacred sells fent-heavy shit as well (other listings), so it's indeed possible he just sent the wrong one. pretty irresponsible, but that would align with other folks getting negative tests. i'll test myself once i get the chance.

just to be sure, you tested by putting 10mg in 2.5ml of water, right? sometimes the ratio of water can screw with the dancesafe strips. if you haven't tested at this concentration, try one more time.

/u/Jean4rmAvengers Moderator

1 points

6 months ago

Its 10mg of product per ml water, based on dancesafe's own website. I do agree though that dilution ratio is HIGHLY important and a lot of people dont dilute properly. Down below he replied to another comment and said he did do the dilution properly though.

/u/MayIBangOnThis

1 points

6 months ago

i used a different guide personally, which states 10mg into 0.5 tsp of water. maybe their guidance is why dance safe strips are known to yield higher false positives than others. but regardless, the point is the same - you must dilute properly or you will yield false positives.

i actually had two false positives on swplug's recent batch. i was super sad as he spotted me a g for free. but i had done the test really sloppily - once i fixed the dilution, it was negative. then i used the g and, indeed, it was all just plain ol' H.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

I was dm'd this

"Since im not in opiates cause im banned could you forward a comment since i cant defend myself.... First off being there is no fent in my product and i can 100% guarante that plenty of people have gotten my product and tested it and what would you know FENT FREE also dam i forgot what i was gonna say im so annoyed that i cant answer myself"

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago*

https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlUyRmpjbVZrU0dGbmFXOXdhRzlpYVdFPQ==# would you like to comment?

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

I saw somehwere else on a post that he was banned from here so how is he suppose to do this? Just curious is all

/u/[deleted]

1 points

6 months ago

Ya he DM'd me saying that as well

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

Just shine ultraviolet light on the product after you burn a lil bit on foil and if it lights up you got fent if not then no simple really!

/u/thegreateste4st

1 points

6 months ago

This is interesting, never heard of doing that. Will it only pop up under UV if it was burnt?

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

You mean hitting the sack before burning it too see if the powder or the rocks light up? nahh probally be harder to tell i would think i just grab a tiny piece of the brick and throw it on some foil run it like if you was smoking a M30 and then let it sit and blast it and watch it light up

/u/yayoblisss

2 points

6 months ago

If you the real Raux you owe alotta mfers some bread. I know you owe me some from nightmare market ... bitch ass sent me an empty pack. Yea, I remember your lil scheming ass.

If you the fake raux, well you choose a bitch ass name

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

First off kick rocks aint no one send you an empty pack thats retarded as fuck to try and do, Secondly are you kidding me nightmare market you crying about nightmare market really you know how much i lost on that exit scam so miss me with the sob story everyone lost on nightmare the minute they exit scammed...

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

Oh and another thing find out what actually went down before you run that pretty lil mouth of yours i got pushed out of that partnership before it went to shit matter of fact im the reason it went so well when it was doing so good..... Dont believe me go back and check the PGP keys for Raux accounts at the begingin and then go look at the pgp key at the end they changed like three times over a few months... When i got pushed out i didint give up the pgp keys and i still have them this set at least

/u/yayoblisss

1 points

6 months ago

Nigga you shipped my pack UPS if i remember correctly. So either they took my shit out of the pack and gave me an empty pack, or you sent me an empty pack.

It was about a $700 pack is why i specifically remember you / your name. So i guess i just got unlucky and ordered from you when everything went to shit.

All i know is, i got a empty pack. Is it possible one of your runners jacked my shit? is is possible UPS took it (doubtful bc of the amount they'd of tried a CD) i dunno.

(This was pre nightmare exiting. At the time it was still a functioning market)

If your a "good" team member of raux and not one of the shit ones seems like youd distinguish yourself from the shitbag raux team that fucked not just me but A LOTTA niggas. It's all on paper right here on dread you just gotta go back some years.

You saying you new / a "good team member" ... Well if your vending again i guess time will tell

/u/Raux18faux

1 points

6 months ago

ohh nahhh if this was pre nightmare market that was when we first started that was the first market we vended on i diidnt get pushed out till way after hmmm i dont remmeber your pack though there were alot of lil fuck ups that i should of noticed that lead to me getting pushed out people are greedy as fuck in the end and will take you for everything you got... OH SHITTT u just reread what you said that we shipped UPS hahah brooo that was literally like right at the begining UPS is grimey as fuck why you think we stopped it and switched to usps also for opsec but way to many packs was going missing thru ups... what was the order for anyways? I might be able to fix that now i still got a few contacts

Regarding vending I dont know if I would come back they really did a number on the name and starting from scratch is just not something im really trying to do and build it takes alot alot of work and headaches... altough youd be surprised how many messeges ive gotten askiing if they can put an order in if im vending again!

/u/Tre Moderator

1 points

6 months ago

niggas like that should be drug out in the streets & be introduced to a curb with a quickness. Same exact way dope dealers got everyone on fent back in the day.

I remember a time i could do a quarter of H on a bender for a week. Run out ... Wait 12-24 hours or until i felt a little sick and go to work the next day feeling fine taking subutex. Not anymore with this fent shit, you end up in line at 5am for your on 120mgs of methadone, then score some fent when you can.

I just went through detox and i promise you that shit damn near kills you. Hospitals Should be required to monitor someone in PW or switching from fent to sub. Shit is horrendous & last for DAYS, im talking 3-4 days of pure hell

/u/thegreateste4st

1 points

6 months ago

Right there with you.. the street dope is god awful. Half the time it's bunk and the other half is cut with who knows what. The "better" bags out there will keep me well enough but i can tell its not real H because it makes me nauseous and agitated. The high is soulless. No joy, no euphoria.. just irritated & zombied out. I hate it and whenever i run out of my real stash, I reconsider why i even still use. If there was no DW, I'd be getting clean. It not worth it.

Grabbed half a sleeve recently and it was some of the worst dope I've ever had, if you can even call it dope. No euphoria, didn't keep me well, burned like hell snorted. I couldn't even get through 5 bags of it. It scabbed up my nose, felt like complete shit n now i got a sinus infection... like wtf these dealers should be ashamed of they selves. Peddling straight poison, literally.

Im approaching dire straits. Tryna find a solid vendor is getting more difficult by the days. Long past is the golden era. We had it so lucky when there were at least 6+ great vendors serving up fire dog food. We gotta get someone from the community down to Mexico to show one of the cartels what a massive market they're missing out on. Seriously..

/u/thegreateste4st

1 points

6 months ago

So bad that I'm scraping emptys from the past couple years xD straight up fiend show

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

I'm right there with you man. Makes me want to start trying to grow poppies myself lol

/u/PissjugSupreme 📢

1 points

6 months ago

I remember getting off suboxone was fucking HORRIBLE. Easily 5-10 times worse than any heroin withdrawal I've ever had. Fent would always give me a headache while using it. Something about the synthetic stuff, I think, like the further it gets from being "natural", the more destruction it causes.

/u/Tre Moderator

1 points

6 months ago

Yea but im an addict bro. I've accepted that. No plans to quit subs.

I cut back from 32mgs a day to 16mgs to 8mgs and now im down to around 5-6mgs / breaking off crumbs. I'm also doing the 54 411 Subutex, no difference in Suboxone withdraws of course but i prefer these much more over actual suboxone (fuck that orange bullshit flavor & naloxone)

Goal is just to maintain myself around 2mgs & stay there for maintenance

/u/phatbagz P

1 points

5 months ago

Yooo homie... after I came back and went through my notifications I saw a mention by you where you said you flushed your SR because I disappeared. I wanted to personally apologize to you if you truly did get rid of your SR supply because of my lack of activity. I get why that would cause you uncertainty regarding the fairly new chemical... can't say I would have flushed it myself if I was in your shoes, but I also can't say that I don't have a level of understanding on why you did end up doing that.

Anyways, just going through your posts it looks like you still may be experiencing discomfort and going through tweaks and shit adjusting your intake of various chemicals and fucking around with dosages and your physical dependency...

I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of another "miracle" solution when it comes to finding comfort in the midst of opiate/ioid withdrawals and detox situations. Vitamin C. Liposomal Vitamin C in particular. I mentioned it in my thread I posted announcing my return from hiatus, but I just want to make sure you didn't overlook it because it actually works. You may even find it effective enough to drop the subs if you give it a try.

Search this on reddit: "Attenuation of opioid withdrawal with high dose ascorbic acid" and you'll find mentioned there the dosing to combat discomfort and feel pretty much 100% normal is 155mg/kg of Liposomal (very important that it's liposomal) Vitamin C.

/u/Tre Moderator

1 points

5 months ago*

What's up brother. Glad your ok. Yeah i flushed not only the 5gs of SR but i dumped all the fent i had as well. initially i was gonna try the SR but with you disappearing it kinda freaked me out :D

I had a back up plan and every med at my disposal to get through withdraws ... i'd been planning to detox for 2-3 months.

I ended up qutting fent 100% on my first day of pto / my leave, which was for 2 weeks initially.

Started on 160mgs of methadone which i bought from biosphere on arch. I felt no withdraws on 160mgs of methadone and actually felt high so on day 2, i only dosed 100mgs of methadone. Day 3 i dosed 80mgs and day 4 i dosed 60mgs.

On day 5, i had around 36 grams of TGT's CW and 321's paki / CW, saved up. I didn't do my first dose of H until about 24 hours after my last methadone dose. Up until this point, i had zero withdrawal symptoms, switching from fentanyl / zenes to pure heroin.

However, 36gs of pure H only lasted me about 7 days. I blew through 36gs in less than a week trying to keep withdraws at bay. By this point it had been 12 days since i touched fent and 7 since i did any methadone. So i waited as long as i could which was about 40hours from my last H dose and did 2mgs of subutex.

Almost Immediately, i knew i was fucked. I felt like i got Narcaned. There was a chill up my spine, i broke out in sweats. Then started throwing up, shitting and shaking uncontrollably. That whole ordeal lasted about 5 days. During that time i ate 30mgs of Zofran a day / the 8mg dissolve able tablets, 20mgs of Lopermine, 0.1mg of clonidine 3 times a day and A LOT OF benzos.

Every 3 hours i put a full 8mg subutex under my tongue plus all those other meds. I kept doing the sub until i reached 32mgs then quit and just did everything else.

For 4 full days it was like my body rejected the bupe. Id throw up bile or explode with diarrhea usually both at the same time every dose, but by the 5th day i could walk and drink fluids and keep food down. By the 7th day i was 90% better and now i guess it's been over a month / month and a half, im stabilized on 8-10mgs of subutex.

All in all i was out of work for almost 3 weeks but i had plently of pto to cover all that. When i finally did return to work i told them i had caught a cold bc i looked like shit but now / today im on 100% subutex. Nothing else and i feel great. I lost about 20 pounds in that time but have gained a little back now.

Sex and simple pleasures are returning / like the desire to have sex and doing things like going out to eat for dinner or spending money shopping / buying new shoes or clothes etc has been fun.

It took a fuck load of bullshit to get here but im so glad i went through all that because on the other side of it i can tell you its 100% worth it.

Again glad you're ok and im 100% better now. Other than using the restroom 2-3 times a day, it's gonna take some time for my intestines to readjust from a 3-4 year chronic Fent / H habit.

I forced myself to do this bc i wanted my life back. I probably spent over half a mill or more on dope. Like you i have a good job that pays well + i hustle on the side.

This year im just stacking as much cash as possible. I promised myself 1 year on subs and save as much cash as possible just to see where im at in life. As i get closer to my 30's, i've realized i need the money for comfort later in life. So thats a short term goal. Which ill add to as time goes on

/u/phatbagz P

1 points

5 months ago

That's awesome man. Congrats on having the resolve to stick to it and get through what sounds like a pretty hellish time.

I've mentioned the vitamin C thing a couple times and nobody has reacted lol. I was mindblown when I saw that it was basically as effective at relieving withdrawals as SR-17018 when taken in mega-doses.

Anyways, if you're anything like me... you'll want to get off the sub at some point. Maybe when that time comes you can grab some SR and remember about the liposomal Vitamin C and kick that too as the final step. I personally cannot fucking stand that orange flavor of subs. Makes me wanna gag thinking about it. But yeah, I've seen multiple people successfully use SR to get off of subs and get to complete 100% dependency free living.

/u/BabyBeluga7

1 points

5 months ago

What dose and how often per day do you find the liposomal vitamin C to be most effective? Its mind boggling something so readily available to combat wd was there hiding in plain sight all along... Also thats great to hear about the SR since I was pretty skeptical at first. Do you know the optimal dosing protocol for the SR as well?

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