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First Love Letter in the 7 Years of Doing This Shit : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

Did my DD and found what i thought was a reputable vendor. After the order was placed it showed up the next morning on Informed Delivery. After ONE SCAN, it was marked as "In Transit to Next Facility" and didn't change from that stage for 10 days. It actually is STILL marked as "In Transit To Next Facility - Arriving Late", but on day 12ish, a love letter was recieved from the USPIS saying that the package has been recieved upon referral a package that may have prohibited or restricted matter.

There is no Reference Number, No Case Number, it doesn't name the sender nor the recipient (other than my name on the letterhead), and it is not signed by the postal inspector. The packet contains 3 pages. The first page is what i described. The second is only an excerpt of the POMs Manual stating the rules regarding mailability, and the third page is a printed picture of the package they are alledging is mine.

Is this normal? this was all domestic. It should have been extremely easy to go unnoticed. What's your guy's experience in all this? I'm assuming my address is BURNED which fucking sucks because i've done this for 7 years with a perfectly clean and successful record.
/u/monkeybrainelvis
3 points
2 weeks ago
Could you post pictures? This sounds a bit strange. I've received two love letters before (different senders, same day) and there are some differences between mine and what you describe above:

1. My letters contained both the Sender and Receiver info
2. My letters didn't include a picture of the package
3. My letters were sent by Priority Mail
4. My letters had a reference number

There have been cases of vendors sending fake love letters to rip buyers off. I can't say for sure whether that's the case here, but I know for a FACT that mine were legit. Maybe different USPIS divisions do things differently (mine came from Chicago), but it's still really suspicious to me.

Btw, I have continued to receive DNM packages at my address. This is probably foolish of me, i got my love letters like 2 years ago and havent had any problems since. If your letter is legit (big IF) then it would be best to take some time off. But again, this sounds fishy to me.
/u/Serial2 🍼
3 points
2 weeks ago
Isn't there some risk of LEO watermarking these? I don't like the picture idea. It could make him easier to trace & therefore prove guilt
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
At the moment I cannot post pictures lol I'm way too paranoid. I'll try to take a couple on something besides my phone and remove any metadata and share with you.

Your letter is exactly what I've been seeing with other people who posted theirs on Reddit. That's why I'm a bit confused as to what I got. I will tell you that mine is not from Chicago. It came from the state it was actually siezed in. The envelope was a normal letter envelope with a sticker label with my name and address on it, a return address sticker label with their PO box (even though when I tried verifying it was their PO box i couldn't, and usually the return addresses for Post Offices are an actual building), and a label 400 USPS tracking sticker. The USPIS emblem on the top left of the first page is in color, and I noticed the emblems on most other people's was mono-chromatic. And like you said, mine had no referene number or anything. This is all it says:

Postal Customer:

The office of Postal Inspection Service received as a referral a parcel which was mailed through the United States Postal Service and lists your name as either the mailer or recipient.

As per the rules and regulations of the United States Postal Service, referred items must be reviewed for possible mail matter probihited ir restricted from/in the mail. It is illegal to mail or receive such items through the U.S. Mail.

Please contact out office at your earliest convenience to address this matter. This parcel will be held for 30 days from the date of this letter and will be handled accordingly thereafter

Regards, US Postal Inspection Service

Edit: The weirdest part is, my Informed Delivery still shows In Transit to Next Facility and hasn't updated for a while. Shouldn't it say "Held for Mailability Determination" or something?
/u/monkeybrainelvis
1 points
2 weeks ago
Ah yeah the tracking sticker does remove the doubt for me. Oh well! You'll be fiiiiine. They care much more about catching the vendor than about busting end users.
/u/newbieforever2018 P
3 points
2 weeks ago
If it is a government envelope it is real. If there is a stamp on it then your vendor scammed you.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
Yeah it's a USPS envelope. I know the DNM bible says domestic LL are non-existent basically, so I was suspicious. Have you dealt with this at all? If they sent me a letter i doubt they would try a controlled delivery or come knocking on my door.. right?
/u/monkeybrainelvis
2 points
2 weeks ago
Correct - they won't CD you for this order, but if its legit your chance of a CD in the future goes up if you keep ordering
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
Yeah I figured. It says they're going to hold the package for 30 days and to reach out to them before then to address the matter, and it will be "handled accordingly" after those 30 days. Hopefully this is the end of that whole ordeal. I'm extremley paranoid of getting a visit. It was under a "30-day supply" of prescriptions so I hope it's not worth their time.
/u/monkeybrainelvis
1 points
2 weeks ago*
Quoting my lawyer on this: If they have probable cause that there's drugs in the package, they've certainly already opened it :) After 30 days it will be officially "abandoned", however, meaning they could open it anyway if they wanted to. But yeah it's safe to assume they already cracked that baby open.

Whether or not it's worth their time depends on 1) the drug, 2) the quantity, 3) the jurisdiction

If it was a "30 day supply" of heroin, they probably care.
If it were just weed, but 10 lbs of it, they probably care.
If you live in small town Nebraska, they might take an interest.

From your post history it sounds like it was Xanax? Assuming you're in a moderately enlightened city, they probably don't care.

PS - After I got my love letters, I was Level 10 Anxiety for two solid months. Every single car of the street and every person walking their dog was an undercover cop. Obviously this was paranoid thinking and nothing ever came of it. Just try to relax a bit :)
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
I'm well aware of my rights and how the legal system works, it's just nerve wracking living in perpetual anxiety of the "what if". Even when you read their manual, it says if they opened it without permission they cannot use it as evidence. Plus i was never in posession of the actual pacakge. (i love how i'm reassuring myself right now lol). And your assumption may or may not be right about what it was, but who knows, i have no prior knowledge of what the package they're alleging was mine contained ;).

If you don't mind asking, what was your love letter for? Domestic? International? Did you get any visits?

Yeah i was TRYING to relax bro but they really fucked that up for me hahaha

I appreciate
/u/slimparsnip
2 points
2 weeks ago
That last line made me chuckle. I'm glad you are maintaining a sense of humor despite the situation. Try to take a step back and pretend this did not happen to you and you are reading this same post from someone else. I am gonna guess you'd be thinking "damn that sucks. That address is burned, I hope they don't try to order again next week", and not "oh shit, that dudes door is about to get kicked in!". I'm not trying to minimize your anxiety, I'd be freaking the fuck out, I'm just trying to reassure you and put it in perspecive a little bit. If they were planning on kicking down the door, they wouldn't have told you they got the package. It sucks, it sucks a lot, but that letter is the last you're going to hear about it (unless you keep ordering to your address, which I know you aren't going to do).
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
You're right bro, I don't think it's going to be that serious. But if it does get to that point, y'all would be the first I'd come tell lol. I appreciate the kind words of encouragement. I don't think much more will come of it, and I don't plan on making any purchases for the forseeable future. Cheers my man.
/u/monkeybrainelvis
1 points
2 weeks ago*
bro i had the exact same cycle of thoughts over and over for months - just trying to reassure myself that I was safe. When logic and fear collide, fear always wins. I read EVERY piece of info i could find. I obsessed about it. I could barely do anything else. But it was all wasted energy.

My love letters were for 2 domestic packs which arrived on the same day, from different sides of the country. One was a 2 lbs of flower, the other was 1 lb of dry mushroom powder. The flower came from a vendor I trusted, but the mushrooms were from a newer vendor with good prices. I think what happened was that the mushroom powder leaked, causing the USPS to seize both packs. They were probably creaming their pants over the unidentified powder, until they field-tested it and saw it was the most boring thing imaginable.

I live in a large city in a legal marijuana state. I consider myself to be lucky as hell to have gotten off with just a couple love letters. If I lived anywhere else, I'm sure I'd be behind bars right now.

Think about it this way -- if they send the letter, they're saying "We're onto you, get rid of the evidence!" If they came for a visit 30 days later, your house would probably be clean, so it would be a massive waste of resources on their part. The letter is the end of it.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
God you just took a giant weight off my shoulders. Thank you man. Really. This has been eating away at me since i found out. House has already been cleaned lmfao. Everything was flushed that i already had.

Your logic makes a lot of sense. I think they already had eyes on this guy, because they caught the package the same day it was dropped off. The envelope didn't look suspicous from the picture they sent me. Just yesterday another review popped up on his store with the same issue I'm having, so that tells me they know something about him. Just my fucking luck lol.

But again, thank you bro. My hair was falling out over this shit lol.
/u/Tre
1 points
2 weeks ago
Since you already got a love letter, you're probably ok but the postal inspector could still be a dick and report it to your local PD. I dunno if thats standard for them to do or not but its a possibility so keep that in mind.

As far as knowing you're rights that good but you also need to know how to think fast & how to respond in high stress environments.

Local PD could show up at your door for a knock and talk in the next 15 mins or tomorrow morning, so you need to be mentally prepared to defuse that situation in 120 seconds or less saying as few words as possible, while simultaneously telling them to fuck off in a polite way, that doesnt hurt their feelings.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
I live in a fairly large city, and I'm hoping the personal amount of product that I never was in possesion of isn't enough to warrant a visit. If it is, I invoke my 4th amendment right which protects me from unlawful searches and siezures without a warrant and a sworn oath or affirmation, and my 5th amendment right to not incriminate myself by participating in their investigation lol.
/u/Tre
1 points
2 weeks ago
Don't open the door either, speak to them from the other side of it. Otherwise, you may give them "permission" to search without even realizing it.

They'll say they could smell a strong odor of marijuana or could see a straw they believe you may use to consume drugs in plain view, etc etc.
/u/reemothedreamo
1 points
2 weeks ago
Let's I'm in a state similar to NE which has a good amount of small town but also multiple " bigger cities"? So I understand a town with 15k pple could be a town that would take interest but what about if it's a city with rlike 300-600k pple( I'm not sure but I know it's s lot) would that bigger city be safer we also have more cities this large and also atleast 1 or 2 with a million give or take
/u/monkeybrainelvis
1 points
2 weeks ago
Whether or not you get a knock ultimately comes down to the decision by the local postmaster. The postmaster in a 15k person town has a lot less going on than the postmaster in a 600k person city. The USPIS is responsible for investigating all mail-related crimes, including all types of mail fraud as well as the increasing trend of postal carriers being robbed for their master keys. And in bigger cities, the drug crimes tend to be bigger and meaner as well, like kilograms of heroin as opposed to a little weed or shrooms.
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1 points
2 weeks ago
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/u/reemothedreamo
1 points
2 weeks ago
Thank you for your insight!
/u/newbieforever2018 P
1 points
2 weeks ago
I don't want to post guesses but if in usps envelope I say treat it as legit.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
Thank you man, i will. I'm just gonna lay low for a while. The sad part is I got this pack to help my anxiety, and I'm now 10x worse than before lmfao.
/u/newbieforever2018 P
1 points
2 weeks ago
You are welcome. Love letters are not real good for relieving anxiety.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
I want to let the community know not to order from them but i have a feeling that's bad opsec on my part. I appreciate you though man. It was a good run while it lasted.
/u/newbieforever2018 P
3 points
2 weeks ago
Seven years no letter was a great run! It can happen with many vendors. The thing to let people know is that "good enough stealth for domestic" is not good enough for them. Every pack should be good enough for customs. Thank you.
/u/monkeybrainelvis
1 points
2 weeks ago
i disagree. People should know! Shame the vendor!
/u/buttloadofshitfr
1 points
2 weeks ago
This is bad. Dont take it lightly as the postal inspectors are very resourceful. I would chill out for a second as this is also grounds to have a tracker put on your vehicle and any drops you may procure afterwards will be compromised. Theyre not visiting today, but if they catch another one they see a pattern and will likely investigate or visit. Be safe brother and see if you have any friends IRL that could help you discreetly recieve whatever medicine you may need during this cooldown period.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago*
Thanks for the advice man. Yeah i'm done for a while. I think God is trying to tell me something lol. I don't have any friends near me that can help, so it is what it is. I'm almost certain they had eyes on the vendor, because it got snagged the day it was dropped off.

Edit: Technically they can't put a tracker on my car legally since they don't have Resonable Articulable Suspicion that i've actually comitted a crime. I was never in possession of anything so I don't think that's a thing. At least in america.
/u/monkeybrainelvis
1 points
2 weeks ago
Snagged the day it was dropped off? Hmmm that's a little fishy. Btw, your pictures still haven't loaded above. Could you try using a site like imgbb.com? I'd like to see the letters and the envelope.
/u/coralrobin
1 points
2 weeks ago
You are freaking the fuck out. I promise you the swat team is not mapping your apartment right now. And you're only working yourself up with your google law degree. also there are only very narrow circumstances a tracker (which the supreme court has ruled 4th amendment protects) can be placed on a car without a warrant which i promise you do not have from this, which is a crazy possibility to imagine in the first place. just treat this like a bad trip and know your mind is making this seem worse than it is.

if you really can't control the thought spiral then practice not answering the door.
/u/buttloadofshitfr
1 points
2 weeks ago
Sir i had a tracker put on my vehicle. So whatever youre telling guy is bad advice. lol.
/u/buttloadofshitfr
1 points
2 weeks ago*
Did you by chance check tracking at all? they will take that as intention especially if you did so with your real IP exposed. Its not about what they do legally at first. They will wait and get the warrant for the next pack. They don't play by all the rules. But they will when they need to. Lets say a pack goes missing. They likely siezed it unlawfully with no warrant and busted it open. They got USPS insurance for legit businesses. If they find something they will just wait for the next one to arrive, get the warrant and leave you thinking the first pack just went missing.

Youre likely okay. 99% sure. But threres that 1%. You just gotta be more clever in the future is all.
/u/zalep1
1 points
2 weeks ago
The DNM bible was and has always been a little...behind, and even the latest releases were always basically reddit-level info that is often misleading in how much it leaves out. Not to mention all the stuff they used to have related to teen supersitions. They took it out, but it's called the Bible not because it's actually a bible people follow, it's just a "DN for dummies" sort of thing.

Anyway, yes domestic LL's are super rare; but mail rips. Usually, the inner plastic will keep it together, despite exposing it visually. Water damage is usually what leads to the later ripping.


From what I've heard, lots of packs like that just get scooped up by a worker. But obviously, there will be times where the envelope will rip compltely, and they "can't" repackage it when it's hundreds of pills.

Ironically, FedEx and USPS have segregated sections in customs, and sometimes do open and repackage pills after testing, or will repack your pack if it ripped like nothing happened. But USPS is not a private company, and they're not compelled to do that sort of stuff by management.

And, no, it's as you said, if they send you a letter like that, I'd assume they haven't forwarded it to police yet or anything like that. It would generally say that in the letter if they had, and if it doesn't mention anything about your address specifically, it also shouldn't be 'burned'.

USPS maybe has secretly started making databases in this new administration, but I think they're FAR too busy dealing with refunding Express orders that come in 3-4 days.

Also, you'll get weird stuff happen with LL's all the time (I had them every 5th order at my old address, so once or twice a month, for years). The DNM was written by people who didn't do this stuff on clearnet, so they'd think certain stuff wasn't normal. You might, for example, suddenly receive a letter from the Chicago international location instead of their Jamaica, NY office; they look different and include more pages.

But.... that's not to say that strange things don't happen. If you've been under investigation before or in trouble with the law recently, I wouldn't assume you're all good, just to be safe.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
2 points
2 weeks ago
I haven't even ever gotten a damn speeding ticket, let alone get caught up with this shit. I know the package wasnt ripped because they included a PICTURE in my packet, and it was unopened in perfect condition. It wasn't the Chicago or New York office that messaged me, but rather the office in the state it was siezed.

There's a first for everything I guess. My thoughts are that the vendor was already under investigation. It seems the same thing happened to another guy around the same time (I saw him complaining in the reviews on Dark Matter). Homie probably just had terrible stealth as well. People always seem to say "AMAZING STEALTH ALL GOOD" in the reviews, but when you get a pack, it's the absolute sketchiest package ever.

It makes me feel better that you've gotten quite a few lol. I'm praying I don't get any knocks on my door.
/u/zalep1
1 points
2 weeks ago
Wow. And yeah, I've always wondered that about reviews mentioning stealth. I have never even received a freaking decoy in a package. Ever. That would be stealth. But people even say good stealth for regular priority mail without vacuum seal just rubberbands.
/u/DrCoke
3 points
2 weeks ago
This looks very much like a scam...
/u/jethro23
2 points
2 weeks ago
For starters name and shame the vendor, give others a warning
/u/CocaineAddict
1 points
2 weeks ago
america or europe?
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
America, the supposed land of the free.
/u/xsoulzxgodx 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
vendor?

my Love letter i received earliier this year, had both sender and receiver info, no picture, was sent by priority mail, had reference number. USPS informed delivery i believe said on tracking that i was from USPS maybe if i remember correctly.
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
I don't want to say quite yet who the vendor is as I feel like that's not good OpSec. All i have to say is, go with trusted vendors whom people actually confirm have CRAZY good stealth. Don't take a chance with others.

Yeah that sounds similar to the ones people recieve from the Chicago USPIS office. Mine was from a different one and did include a picture, and the tracking did in fact say US Postal Service on it, and it came from the location my package went MIA at on ID. I'm sure it's real.

Did anything come of your letter? Did you ever get a visit?
/u/reemothedreamo
1 points
2 weeks ago
Can u pleaseeee pm me and lmk at least which type of product it was? I'm planning a DD order soon(Domestic) vendor has great reputation, I've done 1 deal with them so far and I was very uneducated with the platform and I was super annoying with asking questions for help then I never went thru with ordering from him, a month later the same thing happened but at a smaller scale because I had much more knowledge than last time I still placed an order then immediately canceled bc I was confused about somethingz then I ordered again an hour later and he wasn't upset with me in the slightest! Responded nicely Everytime and even had my order slightly over weight! He's my new fav and I'm gonna do DD next with him bc I'm done trusting DNMs for the most part, for my consistent orders I wanna only do DD now so I'm asking if you for who it is so I can make sure I don't make s mistake! Considering people have been saying that vendors might offer Dd after a seizure and/or exit so that so they can FE and recoup their losses! I can't imagine my guy ever doin that but my paranoia is not letting me stay assured 😭
/u/dorkbeing07
1 points
2 weeks ago
Vendor is scamming you.
/u/thabigburl
1 points
2 weeks ago
vendor is 110% scamming you.

blast the vendor to save others from getting bent like this!
/u/MetAFoe
1 points
2 weeks ago
They probably got scared and exit scammed while the site went down?

Maybe sent you a fake love letter, all love letters I throw away, I don't even open them...
/u/SooWooh 📢 🍼
1 points
2 weeks ago
Definitely not an exit scam. Aba went down so i reached out on Dark and he offered a reship. Looks like the same thing happened to a couple others after reading the reviews. they must have been watching him or got a tip off. And yeah, the letter they sent is incinerated lol.

Damn bro how many have you gotten lol?
/u/headshotnegativity
1 points
2 weeks ago
dang..address burned..probly investigated b4 dropoff or other custies used auto encryption(depending on which market they used)LE had all these packs and it was easy from there on to intercept all his load..gready mfrs..after 7yrs you know the drill
/u/popeofdope90
1 points
2 weeks ago
90% domestic love letters are fake