News Feed
  • DrugHub has agreed to fully refund all users who lost money in the SuperMarket exit scam.  
  • Retro Market has gone offline. Circumstances of the closure unknown.  
  • SuperMarket has closed following an exit scam by one of the admins.  
  • The admin of Incognito Market, Pharoah, has been arrested by the FBI several months after exit scamming.  
  • Silk RoadTorhoo mini logo
  • darknet markets list
  • Popular P2P exchange LocalMonero has announced it is closing.  

Fraud communities are now subject to new restrictions and standards : Fraud | Torhoo darknet markets

I'm taking the time here to address the community regarding a pressing issue with Fraud related subs, which has plagued Dread since its inception. It is no secret that I am not fond of fraud and if I was to have acted on opinion then it would have been banned from the start, or later prohibited. I have done more than enough now to house fraud vendors/buyers on the platform and the cons outweigh the pros in this situation (did that just turn into a pun/double meaning?).

For too long these subs have been left out of my sight and I've possibly been ignorant towards it, relying on the Moderators of these communities to handle things in line with how I'd expect it to be moderated, but without ever communicating them expectations. It has recently become more and more apparent that a change is needed, after multiple contraversies with these subs and past moderators who had to be removed and now, as you can expect from this category of products and services, scams. Fraud is always inherantly going to open more avenues for scams to occur here, so the options we have had to consider have been either a complete ban, or something more in line with the standard of the DNM subs, which I think should have always been the case.

As of this moment, I have limited multiple Fraud related subdreads to require approval on all posts. Until this point, anyone could create a new account and immediately post an ad for a product or service within the Fraud community, completely unhindered for the most part. This has and would have continued to lead to users having their money stolen, which is maybe ironic or what some would consider as deserved for attempting to purchase something to defraud someone in the first place. The thing here is that this shouldn't be happening so easily and it massively promotes direct deals within Dread which is in violation of the site-wide rules.

I will be discussing this with current moderators of these communities and how they should handle things going forward, which will likely give them a large work load, but it seems to be the best option at this time. There is no solution where everyone wins, but hopefully this makes a big difference here.

Going forward, all subs that fall into the Fraud category will be required to approve all new posts. Ad posts should only be approved for CONFIRMED market vendors, which subdread mods will have to verify. Anyone offering anything should have no excuse to not be on a market, which allows users to then research feedback for the vendor to determine their legitimacy as well as having the option to use escrow when dealing with them.

I will now need to have a full list of affected subs compiled so I can apply these regulations there also, as of right now the subs that have been amended are:

https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlJuSmhkV1E9#
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlJuSmhkV1E9#Resources
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlEyRnlaR2x1Wnc9PQ==#
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlJtOXlaMlZ5YVdWeg==#

Thank you for your understanding, if things seemingly get out of hand again with these subs, it will be the final time, this is a final warning. Any subdread mods who do not want to deal with this new work load, feel free to leave your role, I understand this may not be what you signed up for with it, but it is absolutely necessary.
Before reading anything

OH BOY, OH BOY, FINALLY, OH BOY

Still rather sure I will be disappointed after reading 9/10

------------------------------

> As of this moment, I have limited multiple Fraud related subdreads to require approval on all posts

Okay I am semi-erected

------------------------------

> which will likely give them a large work load

Not only work but far more important - actually being accountable for cancer
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
7 points
11 months ago
The problem with doing this is it definitely might not be appreciated by some mods, at the end of the day the moderation they are doing is entirely voluntarily and serves the platform as a whole. But its for the best and should be understandable, if they aren't up to the task I'm sure someone else would love to.
/u/[deleted]
5 points
11 months ago
This is a good ruling. The fraud community and fraud as a way of means is slowly dying out. No one is making money banging stripe , or anything simple anymore. There is simply no money in it anymore which creates choas on the sub, just a bunch of noobs ripping off noobs. You can tell its shot by the price of a card used to be 3-4 dollars now at 15, pretty much any vendor coming to dread are not selling cards first hand which brings declines and dead cards. In short fraud is damn near dead, unless your stealing someone house via title or something.
90%+ of money that was made "here" was frauding wannabe-fraudster lmao
/u/[deleted]
2 points
11 months ago
yeah its a different time , there hasnt been a decent card vendor around since Ab... he was successful in merging both communities, but since then it been down hill. Also a big push from the community to get rid of fraud " how dare you steal from our corporate banking overlords !!!".
/u/42069
2 points
11 months ago
Still it's good to see some actual change here...

Yeeting cheap no0b-scammers off dread is a "necessary evil" at worst...
/u/EpsteinsLastCellmate
1 points
2 months ago
It's the people the cards belong to that get hurt first. They might not be able to eat, or get gas, or go to work, or get home if their cards are maxed. Sure they can call, haven em all canceled, get a new one to be activated within 5 business days but what are they supposed to do until then?
Substantially over, shoutout nomtim. I think most people who genuinely make money from fraud are smart enough not to draw attention to themselves by admitting to it on dread lol.
/u/exposing_bots
2 points
11 months ago
you're a bot that couldn't make it in fraud. now it's dying out. A simple google search will tell you otherwise
/u/jupiterqueen
2 points
11 months ago
even if there are ways to do fraud, whatever action you take comes back to you 3x....whether what you did was good or bad. and at this point, we're (almost) all creative beings that could come up with better, longer-lasting, legal ways of making money. i'm getting my life insurance license, my tax preparer license, and doing it all legit.

If you ban fraud forum there needs to be a replacement for it. Regardless, people will still be coming to this forum, the dark web in general, for ways to outsmart the system, and come up financially. maybe we can replace it with semi-ethical come- ups. the hardest part about creating that forum would be finding a replacement word that encompasses "fraud" or "carding," bc semi ethical come ups is verbose. not enticing ...
/u/newbieforever2018 P Queue Killer
1 points
11 months ago
You are one of the forward thinking people with a plan. Not everyone has reached that level so for them at least we need to make sure that they are not taken advantage of by veterans to the scene.
/u/loremaster
1 points
3 months ago
Grey Finance?
/u/WaveStarter
1 points
11 months ago
fraud isn’t dead at all lmao at least not checks
yeah except that 90% of the audience here will not walk into a bank to get either cash or a felony lol
/u/zigypimp101
1 points
11 months ago
Then there not actually doing fraud they’re just pressing buttons on their computer and praying to the payment processor gods
/u/chomskyhonk
1 points
11 months ago
It's been said before by better men than me but if you can't focus only on what you're good at you're dead in the water already. Again, I'll admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I know you never would've caught me posting in any open forum asking for help getting started in fraud :)

Not to mention who the fuck thinks someone is going to post or sell good shit openly and make it easier for fraud investigation to find it or for some dipshit to go and blow the whole thing with broken english???
/u/AutoModerator M
-1 points
11 months ago
NO asking for other users to DM you.

Do not ask users to divert conversations to PMs in any manner. This includes any contact info. To cut down on scams and false sales and transactions, we are instituting temporary bans for users violating this policy.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/WaveStarter
-1 points
11 months ago
then they need to quit fraud & get a 9 to 5 lmao
/u/Desnoor0
1 points
11 months ago
[removed]
/u/AutoModerator M
0 points
11 months ago
NO asking for direct messaging.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/bsmt1
1 points
11 months ago
bro just need ur guidance that possible ?
/u/narcofacemask
1 points
11 months ago
Checks won't be dead for me as long as I have a steady supply of clean looking addicts who are willing to walk in a bank and cash a check or walk into a bank and open an account. If you plan you day out properly you can def make 100k. It takes a lot of planning and mapping but it's doable. Most people are not willing to put the work in though, so they start that "fraud is dead" bullshit .
/u/257605003
1 points
5 months ago
[removed by moderators]
● No trolling No racism No posting fullz
/u/Lestat
0 points
11 months ago
It's not dead for those who have their eyes open. My physical credit card product is there for all who are looking for it.
/u/bidibamm Deal with caution
5 points
11 months ago
Physical credit card? lmaooo. You are a delusional clown. You selling 2000$ unusable garbage hoping some retards like yourself will fall for it. no such thing as physical cards mailed to drop. That doesnt exist. Just stop it. You hiding behind shady terms and conditions claiming you are not responsible for cashout because you know that cards are useless. Who would sell a 15-50k physical card mailed to drop? It's sad that abacus would even let you post such garbage. Pathetic wannabe scammer. Get lost!
/u/Lestat
-2 points
11 months ago
Yes physical and i am a confirmed vendor with a confirmed sale (to a low iq user like yourself) who thought i would cashout for them. I don't do that, but i deliver the product the buyer pays for 100%.
/u/jewbagel
2 points
11 months ago
ya. confirmed market vendors are scammers too. hahaa. if anyone is stupid enough to think physical cards with tens of thousands will be mailed to you and you will cashout, you deserve to be scammed by this guy. hahaa.
/u/Lestat
1 points
11 months ago
1 confirmed sale and dispute ended by same buyer after confirming they successfully used the card says otherwise. Like with any fraud product, it's up to the buyer to educate themselves on how to get the most out of it and become very good at it. There's no rainbow with a pot of gold in it. Even cashing out physical cards take skill and experience.
/u/ganyo
1 points
11 months ago
Hahaha
/u/bidibamm Deal with caution
1 points
11 months ago
lmfaooooo. you are the low iq retard whose entire scam revolves around low iq retards like you who would fall for such fantasy of thinking such thing exist. If you knew how to or had ever cashed out a physical card, you wouldnt be so retarded so you then resort to try to sell it to idiots. You hope to catch 1 idiot every once in a while for 2000$ for a worthless so called 15-50k physical card. lol. Show me 1 scenario where that idiot ever made any tangible money from such fantasy. Just stop it. lol. Yea "delivering the product the buyer pays for" is the whole scam. The product is a physical card with 15k-50k on it. Thats not hard to do you idiot. You simply hide behind the whole "im not gonna hold your hand to cashout" because you know the card is worthless. Fraud is so hard these days, idiots like you get so desperate and wanna sell air to newbies. Lame shit.
/u/Lestat
1 points
11 months ago
To quote your own statement here on dread to another user
'use your brain. dont look for easy shits. usually does not exist.
fraud these days take some for of brain, knowledge, creativity.
most if not all the easy sounding shits are simply scams.'

I provide the tools (physical high limit card). The user educates themselves to know what to do with it and how to use it successfully. Take your own advice dope.
/u/bidibamm Deal with caution
2 points
11 months ago
lmfaoool buddy. i cant argue with your level of blatant stupidity... You are on a whole other level of arrogantly stupid...
/u/Lestat
1 points
11 months ago
Correction. You can't argue with facts. You're just a low iq user in a long line of low iq users and can't hide your frustration at making no money. Unfortunately for you i'm ready to put you in your place today so keep at it.
/u/bidibamm Deal with caution
1 points
11 months ago
lmaoooo. So everyone who dont fall for your scam is low iq right? lol you are arrogantly delusional. And thats scary. you couldnt get $1 out of me if you wanted to. I saw your scam post hiding behind a "confirmed vendor" flair. And im calling you out you bum. Aint no facts. your product is an obvious scam to anyone with a brain. You go kick rocks.
/u/Lestat
1 points
11 months ago
First you'll have to know what an actual scam is, which you don't. That alone is why i believe your iq to be single digit.
/u/Kaffer
1 points
11 months ago
Come on, tell me it is not true...someone wanted to buy the cc and thought you would go to the next ATM and cashout for him with "his" (since he bought it, it belongs to him now) credit card and send him then both, the cc AND the money? Which percentage did he offered you? :wall:
/u/bigtrench
1 points
11 months ago
physical credit carrd product ?
/u/Lestat
1 points
11 months ago
Yes. It's available on abacus market.
/u/MrPopp 🍼
1 points
1 day ago
blanks on 2025 ? not for hate but you must be one of the "VENDORS" who says that have fully functional cc with pin included ''READY'' TO cash out instead of DO IT BY YOURSELF ,lol dirty game.
/u/AutoModerator M
1 points
1 day ago
Go to /d/carding to discuss credit cards

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/mauricebroder
0 points
11 months ago
If you think it is slowly dying out, it's because no one is sharing the new methods with you. I have survived the last 5 years off of stripe and prior to that it was my primary source of income.
/u/waitwtf13
5 points
11 months ago
says fraud isn't dying out, then next sentence gives an example of how it dying out has personally affected him.
/u/mauricebroder
1 points
11 months ago
Ok, sure
/u/kittyglitter101
1 points
11 months ago
Can you guide me? Literally just getting started on this.
/u/narcofacemask
1 points
11 months ago
And people were saying stripe and Braintree were dead 5 years ago. Bullshit. These people are just lazy and don't know what they're doing.
/u/[deleted]
3 points
11 months ago
You should add some kind of tipjar, market serve customers only because they want to maximise profits where as you guys server the users mostly just for the sake of serving normal users. If it wasn't for dread, a lot of people would lose a lot more money than they do.

Even when you posted about incognito exit scam you guys saved so many users from losing funds. I think you guys deserve a tip jar during moments like that.

Just my 2 cents.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
8 points
11 months ago
You can use the Store to donate, but honestly now with DoS attacks ending we are able to save a lot of money to keep everything funded without stress. Spend that money on what matters to you the most.
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
Would still be cool if there was a kind of donation pool for the subdreads, but then OFC I know why this isn't done: Because it would add heat to dread!
/u/samsung222
3 points
11 months ago
[removed]
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
11 months ago
We want to do this based on flairs when possible
/u/[deleted]
2 points
11 months ago
you just answered you own question they dont make enough to care
/u/noechans211
2 points
11 months ago
This. They have to get paid and have actual responsibilities that are being managed by someone.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
11 months ago
If you think that then it defeats the purpose of the Reddit system that allows a forum on this scale to be actively moderated. Managing a sub is accepting a voluntary role.
/u/noechans211
1 points
11 months ago
This isn't reddit though. People are mainly on here to either make money or find information that helps them make money. People go on reddit for a bunch of reasons but it's more of a social for the sake of being social site. People are here with very specific purposes and they are usually financial based or driven.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
11 months ago
The point still stands, that doesn't change that Dread uses the same model as Reddit.
/u/waitwtf13
2 points
11 months ago
"People are mainly on here to either make money or find information that helps them make money."

I don't know that this is true. I could see 50% of the userbase being "strictly buyer never vendor"s. These wouldn't fall into the category of trying to make money or finding info on making money. Spending their money more wisely is closer to it
/u/jupiterqueen
1 points
11 months ago
good point
> the moderation they are doing is entirely voluntarily and serves the platform as a whole

Yeah but as we both know so far it "served the platform as a whole" in negative volume over the past years. At this point the whole "frauding wannabe-fraudsters" economy will have to at least put some work in lol.
/u/Ganymedes OG Vendor
3 points
11 months ago
Congratulations, your psyops efforts paid off.
Imagine seeing retards raping retards over years and when advocating against retard-rape getting called a PsyOp lmao <3
/u/FreshBread
2 points
11 months ago
a bot definitely could not think up your reply. Cheers!
/u/Ganymedes OG Vendor
2 points
11 months ago
My whole point is you can't really do much to completely prevent the very sad cases and very real cases of retard-on-retard sexual abuse.

Retards are motivated to rape retards because of the eventual payoff, and retards are motivated to get raped by oher retards due to promises of possible eventual payoffs. There's a certain kind of people who posses a certain type of brain wiring that makes them more prone to getting scammed and believing in fairytales.

You can tell someone a million times "don't send that person money, what they're saying is untrue/impossible" - they're gonna do it anyway. Fraud attracts desperate people, and desperate people end up getting preyed on. It's sad, but unavoidable.

Only way to stop it truly is disable all posting, disable all commenting, disable private messages. When you remove the scammers ability to communicate with their prey, they can't scam them. But that kind of defeats the purpose of a message board, doesn't it?

If your wet dream came true and /d/C&F was magically deleted from Dread, do you actually think the scammers would go away? No, they would just post the exact same bait content in other subdreads (fake money, debit+pin physical, hacking as a service, changing grades, etc..). The only reason they post in /d/fraud is because it's the best place for it because they know all 70K people in this sub are already looking for their "product".
/u/Blueprinted
2 points
11 months ago
My hero!
/u/Barley420
2 points
11 months ago
These new rules will push the Nigerian scammers will have to flee elsewhere now. It will increase the quality of the posts, I support HugBunter.
/u/Fertility
8 points
11 months ago
Good one. I am fucking sick of telegram spammers and scammers.
/u/[deleted]
0 points
11 months ago*
exactly there are over 10 profiles of mine on there and they make nothing anyways just pathetic at this point i feel sorry for them honestly
/u/partytime
6 points
11 months ago
Well done, Hug. Sad to see the fraud world devolve into a place where the scammers prey upon the newbs, rather than discuss business and tactics. I share with you a distaste for fraud in all of its forms, and hope these new guidelines will bring some semblance of decency for the fraud community here on dread.
/u/42069
2 points
11 months ago
*nodds in agreement*

Dread enforcing the house rules is overdue!
/u/obsidian1
1 points
11 months ago
they got me fcked up i'm NEO
/u/jjNBA Scammer!!!
0 points
11 months ago
Cannot scam newbies anymore for 0.25$
/u/amateru P
5 points
11 months ago*
Good call. Appreciate the transparency and responsiveness /u/HugBunter.
/u/Carrynicism
5 points
11 months ago
Congratulations /u/HugBunter! Today is a sad day for scammers, yet another turning point in making Dread safer for the entire community. Bad actors will never silence us.
/u/TorLarp Scam Smasher
4 points
11 months ago
Finally, keep it clean and nice around those subs. Thank you! :)
/u/Hektor
4 points
11 months ago
Well done, this change was needed
/u/jason187
4 points
11 months ago
Thanks a lot, this was precisely what we needed 🥷🏽💯
/u/b1ankface P
4 points
11 months ago
What past moderators were removed?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
4 points
11 months ago
I personally just removed the entire mod team of https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlJtOXlaMlZ5YVdWeg==# at this time, not sure if anyone else handled others
/u/b1ankface P
4 points
11 months ago
Cool, I personally have no affiliation with the fraud world. I don't condone it ,but i have friends who do so i remain neutral most of the time, but i do see how sketchy it is. It's very much a dog eat dog world. It looks like you made the right move. Cheers hugbunter
/u/Mr_Beetroot
4 points
11 months ago
glad you finally addressed the elephant in the room
/u/labete
3 points
11 months ago
THANK YOU <3
/u/Pills4You
3 points
11 months ago
This has been something I have been concerned about for a while and I'm glad positive changes are being made. Great Job!
/u/[deleted]
3 points
11 months ago
[removed]
/u/Arch4femboys4
1 points
11 months ago
i got fake flaged for telegram way too much out of now wher past few months lol, but i finnaly got a postive one when i tried to showcase my malware like damm i got suprised because i have seen too many idiots promoting absolute bs scams as tools and getting away with it .
/u/AutoModerator M
1 points
11 months ago
Do not share clearnet communication handles.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/[deleted]
3 points
11 months ago
Not sure but I would think:
/d/FakeID
/u/Leakall
2 points
11 months ago
Fake ID have legit mods.
/u/azfphree
1 points
11 months ago*
[removed]
/u/AutoModerator M
0 points
11 months ago
Do not share clearnet communication handles.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/azfphree
1 points
11 months ago
I agree.

I want to buy a DL from a market not telegram and not clearnet.

Especially because just a few weeks ago we have this:

Virginia Men Who Trafficked in Fake IDs Plead Guilty Following HSI Washington, D.C. Investigation

Release Date: July 1, 2024


ALEXANDRIA, Va. — An investigation conducted by Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Washington, D.C. led to two men pleading guilty to importing, manufacturing and trafficking fraudulent identity documents.

...

According to the investigation, they imported high-quality counterfeit driver’s licenses and identification cards from China to the United States. They operated an online enterprise using various websites, including ApexsFakes and FakeYourDrank, to sell counterfeit IDs.


And yet FakeYourDrank is still up and running.
/u/AutoModerator M
-1 points
11 months ago
Do not share clearnet communication handles.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/BlueGlueEater
3 points
11 months ago
seems most of scamming occurs in personal messages of people who don't know any better is there a way to turn off personal message in settings or at least limit them? i searched settings and couldn't find how to turn it off.

even creating threads in fraud I brace myself for my personal messages to be flooded with scammers

The fraud community on dread is on its dying breath due to the scammers (and noobs tbh) I would be okay if it were shut down BUT hacking and fraud are intersectional in a sense that one of the biggest customers for blackhats are fraudsters buying personal information from hacked databases. You made the right choice approving posts it's a step in the right direction.
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
Yeah, the DM spam and espechally the ause of Modmail from /d/Chaos is annoying!

There should be a way to disable / filter said messages and ideally anything including t3l3gr4m / s3ss10n / w1ck3r should get marked as spam...
/u/AutoModerator M
0 points
11 months ago
NO asking for other users to DM you.

Do not ask users to divert conversations to PMs in any manner. This includes any contact info. To cut down on scams and false sales and transactions, we are instituting temporary bans for users violating this policy.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
at least /u/AutoModerator seems to be sharp these days - tho it doesn't understand context!
/u/phantom6886
1 points
3 months ago
[removed]
/u/AutoModerator M
1 points
3 months ago
NO asking for other users to DM you.

Do not ask users to divert conversations to PMs in any manner. This includes any contact info. To cut down on scams and false sales and transactions, we are instituting temporary bans for users violating this policy.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/bosszozo80
3 points
11 months ago
That is great news.
Hopefully it limits the garbage that have seep their way over here.
Dread is about quality over quantity
/u/BigDaddy2K
3 points
11 months ago
Finally the days of bs fraud posts will be over
/u/[deleted]
3 points
11 months ago
Fuck scammers and thieves straight up. They don't deserve a platform.
/u/trustedworrier
2 points
11 months ago
Hang the thieves.

I'm a little confused by some of the wording in some of these replies, like, oh some of these folks are scamming US and that sucks, but it's OK to scam other people? wtf is that shit.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
11 months ago
No it's not okay to scam people, period. Thieves are coward faggots with no honor.. buying drugs is one thing, scamming people is another.
/u/Sickboy311
1 points
11 months ago
Yeah! every single one! they are all just as bad as Richard Ramirez! or Dracula!
/u/fabechelon18
3 points
11 months ago
As someone who has been an active carder for 10+ years, this will do nothing but GOOD things for the carding, "community". I dont post/login much because I know any question I have or any exchange I have in a fraud forum will result in TONS of bullshit n00bs asking for a handout / pathetic, lazy, scammers trying to fuck over other people in the same situation. I know there is a HUGE moral ambiguity here, but my rule is do NOT steal from people, steal from corporations. A business has no feeling, credit isnt real, and why would you fuck over literally closest people in your proximity? I never understood that. TLDR; THANKS FROM AN OLD CARDER

ps- yall hold off on the SHADE. yeah carders suck. but so do hackers. so do drug dealers. aint nobody better than anyone else. cept Dolly Parton. she's top tier. <3
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
Lol if you think stealin from "corporations" who, in turn, pass those loses onto the CUSTOMERS, i.e. US, is even close to the same as providing service that people want and are WILLING key word willilllllllng to pay for then you are beyond delusional
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
just saw you said credit isn't real, idek why I even replied omghahahahaha
/u/M0N5T3R
1 points
2 months ago
so when I create someone out of thin air and am able to get them a credit card how is this hurting you? Or when someone doesn't want to die in a hospital, they want to die with a stripper on their lap, a drink and a cigarrette and I take out a loan, this hurts who? oh yes, the poor lowly insurance company, man those guys are really ya know, salt of the earth types. And when I did use a real live person I would always and would continue to literally call them and tell them that they ( depending on the bank) needed to report this to their bank before the first 30 - 90 days. So they don't get stuck with it. Not all of us are here trying to get a couple hundred from the new kid. Some of us actually have a morel compass, and yeah, it can be scary and a bitch but you wanna talk about willingness? What people are willing to pay for? Because I know from first hand experience that I just wanted to feel better, and like most people that buy shit willingly, yeah it cost $50 -$100 USD but they don't tell you that your life is getting taxed on the back end. Like dude said, aint non of us angels, and not one of us, for damn sure is innocent. Just saying, that horse you're climbing up is pretty high, be careful.
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
2 months ago
quack
/u/[deleted]
2 points
11 months ago
do u think it will stop the telegram spam?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
4 points
11 months ago
It will likely hit other subs more, but I think this is going to reduce this type of spam overall
/u/[deleted]
2 points
11 months ago
better than how it was thx u
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
I guess the only way to prevent that would be to ban telegram & tm as well as any tm.me strings with /u/AutoModerator ...
/u/AutoModerator M
-1 points
11 months ago
Do not share clearnet communication handles.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
way beyond [this]( /post/9bdf5634d570ce48def2/#c-1b0683671f98188e2a) notification!
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
Hahaha it was great that this happened however.
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
TBH, I can totally understand why /u/AutoModerator is set to "Yeet Spammers on sight" mode...

I'd call it a *"necessary evil"* at worst...
/u/trumpsta420 MOD
2 points
11 months ago
He spams /d/opsec too.
/u/newbieforever2018 P Queue Killer
2 points
11 months ago
Automod ain't corrupt though. You can tell by the ad revisions. "Reel Clounterfiet U$D "
/u/trumpsta420 MOD
2 points
11 months ago
Guy was using multiple special characters too lmao.
/u/newbieforever2018 P Queue Killer
4 points
11 months ago
Exactly. I was kind of amused because for a while I was adding prompts to automod to see how much I could force him to evolve.
/u/Pneumonia P
2 points
11 months ago
Also /d/freelance should be included. I've seen some posts regarding fraud related on that sub as well.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
11 months ago
We will get through all of them slowly, /u/Solar has been compiling a list while we discussed this
/u/Pneumonia P
2 points
11 months ago
Amazing!
/u/Sickboy311
0 points
11 months ago
damn we just tellin' on folks now aren't we... I don't trust this guy...
/u/Pneumonia P
1 points
11 months ago
Lol I don't like myself neither
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
Seems like the one calling out the truth-teller is the one to not trust, eyes on (most likely) dirty fraudsters like /u/sickboy311 hahaha
/u/klaimzzzz
2 points
11 months ago
much needed frfr and get more mods so it be extra safe
/u/[deleted]
2 points
11 months ago*
ban the whole community. any seller (most likely a previous customer who cant figure out how to use cards) is broke and will never go no further then wasting time scamming in mommys basement. you dont allow ads for cvv vendors however this is still ongoing. i admire your patience for letting this go on as long as it has and still willing. off market deals are not permitted on any market. why doesn't dread adopt the same policies ?
/u/AutoModerator M
1 points
11 months ago
NO asking for other users to DM you.

Do not ask users to divert conversations to PMs in any manner. This includes any contact info. To cut down on scams and false sales and transactions, we are instituting temporary bans for users violating this policy.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/mrmunchies420
2 points
11 months ago
Thank you !! Was about time !! Those subs should be under great surveilance and a guide should be added to them about the multiple WARNINGS of getting scammed and the current methods people use as scams against others (Like private messaging through certain apps)... Also maybe a guide of verified vendors for those types of products would be useful !
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
Or just outright disbanded would be the best option. No need for low-life compassionless people on Dread
/u/noechans211
2 points
11 months ago*
Serious question. How does limiting posting to moderator approval help when moderators have been a large part of the issue in the fraud based subdreads?

Also if you ban fraud you might as well ban the hacking subdread too.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
11 months ago
Because not only do they have to operate within these rules now, which will be monitored, but this also identifies anyone who isn't managing a sub correctly, so can be replaced based on this. Hacking is going to fall under similar rules, I'm thinking what I can do with that.
/u/noechans211
2 points
11 months ago
That makes sense.
/u/MalMonty
1 points
11 months ago
Hug, as someone who has been scammed in the past I can see the need and the logic behind the decision. But your statement here raises a question, while the rules above set a guidelines, there is quite a bit of a subjective nature to the human component and therefore makes it difficult for outsiders (non moderators) to clearly address "who isn't managing a sub correctly" Will there be a posted list of what is and isn't acceptable and who makes the decision when a post is on the margins? Just wondering
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
11 months ago
This refers to the rules in the post only, creating a list of verified market vendors, and only allowing ad posts from these vendors. Something that I forgot to add to the post was the requirement for the Mod log of these subs to be set to public to create transparency on Mod actions too. Everything else is just subject to site-wide rules and any additional rules that the Mods set themselves for the sub.

The only thing that could go missed by us as Dread staff is if the new rules are avoided through Mods assigning non-market vendors as flaired verified vendors. This is something that will need to be regularly monitored by us as the community so it can be reported if this occurs.
/u/MalMonty
1 points
11 months ago
Cool and thanks
/u/PapaSam P
1 points
11 months ago
100% agree!

What about the new accounts and aged accounts created only for the purpose of harrasement of vendors with non funded accusations, just plain insults and downvoting ! is there a solution ?what a vendor can do in this situations?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
11 months ago
Report it and it gets solved... I am working on new preventative measures but the "beauty" of anonymity is that it also makes my job harder
/u/PapaSam P
1 points
11 months ago
ok,
so what stops me from making 10 accounts in one day everyday for a week -
70 accounts in January for example, then i make another 70 in february, and so on till December . and everytime a make an account i just post something random hoping for upvotes untill december i've acumulated 840 accounts if my 2nd grade math is good....now....

.comes a situattion with a vendor where , i dont like his nickname , and for revenge im starting to use those accounts, im using one from january , one from april , and so one ! i am downvoting his ass everyday, shitposting and so on! Reporting wont help , and his reputation is fucked at least on dread!

Hoping the new preventive measure will work !

I really appreciate what you are doing , long live Dread!
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
11 months ago
Oh yeah that is very easy to cover and the new measures will absolutely prevent it, so that is not a concern. Its the accounts where more effort are put into them that would be hard to combat, so it requires better moderation tools to handle it properly and faster
/u/PapaSam P
0 points
11 months ago
ok then. thanks!
/u/miner21 P
2 points
11 months ago
This was needed.
/u/suzie Old Head
2 points
11 months ago
Hey

Great news. Lets keep it as best as we can! I've offered my help too!

cheers
ss
/u/mitrakas
2 points
11 months ago
The truth is that it's ironic, that some new users want to become scammers but in the end they become the victims, I'm not saying this to mock or make fun of any user but to protect them, guys let's be honest when you get into one like this where you should be suspicious of anything, I mean when someone sends you something like "hello friend, I see you want to learn about carding right? When I started I bought an ato pack from that user, buy it too" or for example "add me on telegram so we can talk from there" this leads you away from the dread platform with the aim of stealing your money, it's clear, look, I don't want to be bad but you are on a forum, when you want to cross a piece of information just search it, the sources here are endless, the magic of the internet is exactly this thing, if for example you see someone saying "the best coke that you will sniff and see god with your own eyes only with a message on telegram and with a $100 in monero in my account" and the guy I know doesn't even have a vendor account on nexus, abacus etc hey friend you are not small suspect; where I want to conclude and I will close with this, that information you get from a person does not mean that it is authentic, you have infinite sources to cross anything and be always suspicious,
I hope that with this paranoid comment I helped even one person not to fall prey to a fraud, and be safe
/u/AutoModerator M
-1 points
11 months ago
Do not share clearnet communication handles.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/Amphora
2 points
11 months ago
Good work and good luck to the moderators. It's gonna be a lot of work to clean up these places.

/d/Carders
/d/fraudmanta
/d/fraudship
/d/ukfraud
/d/fraudaustralia

Here's a few more subs /u/HugBunter for you to check out regarding fraud.
/u/KyleKlemons54
2 points
11 months ago
Good to see an effort at quality control in fraud subdreads and I hope this becomes the gold standard for Fraud related subdreads. Keep up the good work Hug! =D o7
/u/MarrcoPollo
2 points
11 months ago
A new era
I absolutely agree with /u/HugBanter. This really takes a lot of time to study and verify sellers.
And why not apply this rule to the entire forum and, for the opportunity to publish an advertising post in the corresponding subdread, use the verification through the daunt.link?
/u/eldragon
2 points
11 months ago
okay, this is good.
/u/kikoriko
2 points
11 months ago
censorship innit
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
Couldn't be more wrong
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
Morals more like it
/u/BunniSupport
2 points
11 months ago
Great to see things are being monitored and corrected if needed! Great work as always!
🥳 100th COMMENT -- whoohoo 🥳
/u/IamLegion
2 points
11 months ago
So the number of things the Darknet collectively agrees on no bueno grows to three:
1. CP
2. Fent
3. Scams
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
AS IT SHOULD BE...... I'd switch 2 n 3but scamming people is a close second
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
AS IT SHOULD BE...... I'd switch 2 n 3but scamming people is a close second
/u/bradley132
1 points
11 months ago
Thanks this was much needed
/u/xlazybruhx
1 points
11 months ago
Finally these subs will be free of scammers now. Thanks<3
/u/kma
1 points
11 months ago
Will do!

/d/ukfraud
/u/largelumberjack70
1 points
11 months ago
Finally some good news!
/u/VerseOne
1 points
11 months ago
Aww but now who will teach me how to make $1,000,000 for a small $150 dollar fee.
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
Thanks /u/HugBunter for taking a decision.

Shure this may piss off a lot of fraudsters, and espechally those that were here to cheaply rip off no0bs, but I can totally understand that with the rampant violations of the "no onsite transaction" rule, you had to pull the handbrake and clearly make this statement.

- You may want to also include https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlJuSmhkV1E9#ship and /d/Laundromat as well...

Needless to say rules on dread exist for a reason and without enforcement they're not being taken serious by too many miscreants, so accountability and consequences need to follow sooner or later.

Thanks again for your commitment to making dread better - even if most people may only percieve this as a means to keep heat off this site.
/u/blackbriefcase
1 points
11 months ago
Better late then never.
/u/FraudoBaggins
1 points
11 months ago
Hallelujah praise to god

This is a wise decision in my view and hopefully over time will increase the quality of the fraud SDs on here

It will also be a good thing for the real-G sellers listing quality fraud items instead of trying to make a quick buck ripping off one of their own which we all know is the lowly of the low

We should after all do all we can to protect the Fraudship of the Ring
/u/Captain_Whitebeard
1 points
11 months ago
Finally there will be order and useless baby bottle and lot of cappin.
/u/GASPARLEMARC
1 points
11 months ago*
I don't think fraud is dead at all. External ACH's are perfect if you know what you are doing and have good people / businesses to spoof and grab log

Those off brand banks hit and don't even notify linking an ext account and shooting out an ACH

Bill pay is decent for ordering checks if your into that kind of thing.

But fraud as a whole is far from dead, there will always be bad apples in the batch that make a community such as fraud in this case look bad

Were all conning ourselves, one way or another, just to get through life...
/u/businessbankdrops
1 points
11 months ago*
What happens to escrows that exit scam suddenly?
What happen to MOD that just ban accounts for no reason?
What is been done with how downvotes is issue on account when you can say particularly whom you have offended?
What about upvotes that is deceptively purchased?

There is definitely lot of loads to be cleared in this regard.
Well-done by the way.

However, a lot of MOD need to either be removed or tutored cos many are confused as to what the rule says. They just use the power as it pleases them.

You cannot ban someone without given convincing reason.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
11 months ago
Mod power abuse is taken care of when reported to us.

Vote manipulation is also reset and accounts used banned, also when reported to us. I am working on new ways to also reduce vote manipulation where possible.

Markets/escrow services exit scamming is possible and is the flaw with centralized marketplaces, it happens, but not until the market has been running for a long period in most cases. The point in these restrictions is that Dread is not a marketplace and reviews here are more likely to be false/padded than that of a marketplace, so sellers there have feedback for buyers to go off, with escrow protections additionally, this massively reduces the risk of scams over P2P transactions.
/u/businessbankdrops
1 points
11 months ago
That is true though, but means the complexities of Market should be Minimized and simplified further, it drive many away from the market
/u/Haybee17
1 points
11 months ago
Oh my God I can't believe this, I need someone to actually needed someone to put me through fraud that will change my life.
/u/RedPill33
1 points
11 months ago
can u approve my post I been waiting for 18 hours now....

By the way I like the new rules, I hope those bunch of scammers stop wasting peoples time
/u/TinysRevenge
1 points
11 months ago
If there is any open roles in the moderation team, i would love to be considered as a new candidate.
Ripping as a whole makes me sick and brings me a lot of shame to our livelihood. If there is a role where i can minimize that, then i need to be apart of it!
Ready to work!
/u/gucc1f3r
1 points
11 months ago
Thank youuuu!
/u/ocrpac
1 points
11 months ago
Thanks
/u/travolta
1 points
11 months ago
Fraud attracts a special variety of villainy. Unlike drugs which hoist upon this brilliant forum a master collection of upstanding netizens.
/u/nofu
1 points
11 months ago
ok I know
/u/biffscred2
1 points
11 months ago
Who are thé moderators
/u/sidorovich
1 points
11 months ago
thats a smart idea
/u/Harlom
1 points
11 months ago
Thank you Hug, will help this community to thrive without the threat of constant scams, your work is appreciated.
/u/gonnawork
1 points
11 months ago
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgoood
/u/trustedworrier
1 points
11 months ago
Fuck thieves in general.

You're a pussy bug hunter
/u/BlueJayBaby
1 points
11 months ago
valid change
/u/Marspice90
1 points
11 months ago
They put order in the henhouse! LOL
/u/dreadonthehead
1 points
11 months ago
It always starts with good intentions
/u/greencottage302
1 points
11 months ago
I have a friend who's not so well in the head who recently got super enamored by the concept of https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlEyRnlaR2x1Wnc9PQ==#. Had to let him know that (1) it's a stupid idea to defraud random people, especially if they're vulnerable enough to fall prey to it, and (2) he's going to get the rug pulled under him. A fraud community online where they're willing to not pull one over on you?

I'm glad to see this ruling and I'm happy that there's standards being upheld here. Out for a couple months and coming back to good news is great.
/u/cleverlizard
1 points
11 months ago
There will always be something sketchy going on but I would say this is a great place to start.
And I would also say: finally!
Good call, boss!
/u/Faweks
1 points
11 months ago*
( we don't mean to pull threads, it's very disruptive and "feline" behavior, but alot of these onions have gone bad and are either down, watched by someone, or it's just some guy from Brazil that is gonna scam you for a quick buck and delete their page after. You gotta be careful with this, it's apparently that easy for them to steal your money. Even on here.
/u/NemesisNoids
1 points
11 months ago
Dread has a great place where people can discuss, the dark web has its own marketplace, Dread just provides a place for people to communicate, it never encourages people to trade directly, Escrow is a great service yah. (which I particularly like anyway), where the latest experiences, lessons learnt, and news are told all the time.

Escrow is best service
/u/shieetsidkzbruh
1 points
11 months ago
thats wassup
/u/SghpstStorm
1 points
11 months ago
so exactly how troublesome can it be to manage multiple offices of these guys? short answers pls. -V or long idgaf longer better actually
/u/cqnbuscrqck
1 points
11 months ago
Hey bro could I learn some things from you
I’m really tryna go crazy bro could you be my mentor no fed shit
/u/hitorpass
1 points
11 months ago
Crazy how all these admins are getting caught left and right
/u/PleaseHelpMee
1 points
11 months ago
How about banning fraud completely? Have you read my story /u/Hugbunter ? Fraud is destroying lives. I thought Dread was a censorship, fair community giving people the possibilty circumventing things like the drug prohibition and by that, giving them freedom. However considering fraud is allowed here it obviusly just is a platform to make and STEAL money. How can we trust dread at the first play when its admin doesent care about business on the plattform the ONLY have the purpose of STEALING MONEY FROM INNOCENT PEOPLE AND STEALING IDENTITIES CAUSING SEVERE PSYCHOLOGICAL AND FINANCIAL HARM TO INNOCENT HUMANS; SOME WHO HAVE A FAMILY TO TAKE CARE OF ETC. Unbelievable. Please think a about it @Hugbunter ....
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
I hate it myself, which is why it has been so ignored, I've never even looked at any fraud related posts until now. This holds some standards to it at least, but it will not be banned, not right now at least. What you are saying is direct contradiction between your expectation of "giving freedom" and then censoring Fraud based on mostly personal opinion. I do understand the harm fraud entails and am in complete disagreement with it. However, Dread's purpose was to re-house Reddit communities that were banned in the same ban wave. The Fraud subs were part of that and actually the first subs they banned, which triggered my action to quickly build this platform, because I knew the DNM subs would be next.
/u/onlycarddeals P
1 points
11 months ago
wouldn't letting older accounts post on fruad without the need for confirmation help lower the loads on mods as new accounts been made to just to post on fraud will be useless and not many people will wanna risk an old account just to rip off someone else with change money?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
11 months ago
Yes but its not an implemented feature, when I have time to I'll be reviewing the post approval options
/u/joeswipes
1 points
11 months ago
bruh dread fraud game gone can't chat it no more where we go next??
/u/lapiseros2424
1 points
11 months ago
I would like to know how I can bypass the confirmation of Coinbase or Coinmama ID
/u/driftspecter
1 points
10 months ago
While I understand the need for stricter controls, it's important to ensure that legitimate users and vendors aren't overly restricted or penalized. Perhaps we could look into more balanced measures that protect users without stifling the community's growth. Open to discussing potential solutions.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
10 months ago
This doesn't restrict anyone. If you sell things, you need to have a proven record to be able to promote it here, through market feedback and the offer of escrow to all buyers. That has been the standard here since day one. I didn't realize however that Mods of Fraud subs were allowing absolutely any ad post without the verifications that were in place in DNM subs.
/u/cloudburst
1 points
9 months ago
I think the existence of the fraud community here is very important. I see no contradiction in talking about "ethical fraud".
Indigo2013's post on "Steal From Corporations, Not Individuals" (/post/b7689f6b330ae90e2e13) is about exactly this.
/u/thered
1 points
7 months ago
[removed by moderators]
Read the subdread rules if you want to avoid a ban.
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
6 months ago
COMPLETE BAN!!!!!

This is a toxic community with toxic poeople doing despicable things, ANd they have the GALL to justify it because "it's just companies".... Who do you think hires people? who do you think passes on losses to their customers?

COMMON SENSE PEOPLE - - THINK
/u/powderedSlut Talented Troll
1 points
5 months ago
Man, glad to see all my hard work FINALLY paying off <3
Is it because of this info that vendors like us who are on various markets like nexus, Drug hub, Torzon etc and work on escrow with clients on various things from documents to flight bookings and hotel rentals DO NOT get vendor flair request response for over a week?
WE WORK ONLY ON ESCROW
/u/Ghosty_p DO NOT DEAL
1 points
3 months ago
[removed by moderators]
/u/AutoModerator M
1 points
3 months ago
NO asking for other users to DM you.

Do not ask users to divert conversations to PMs in any manner. This includes any contact info. To cut down on scams and false sales and transactions, we are instituting temporary bans for users violating this policy.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/EpsteinsLastCellmate
1 points
2 months ago
I wish you'd ban both. Why can't we just buy and sell drugs? Fraud is stealing from innocent people and so is carding, which goes against my code, no civilians.
/u/find_destiny
1 points
3 weeks ago
drugs kill people, and don't you dare try that "free will" argument lol
/u/Lampeduza
1 points
1 month ago
Thanks for all you do to keep the space safe. I had to make a new account because I could'nt remember my old login. I left the community sometime ago when it became too difficult to solve the captcha but the rotating images is better now.
/u/MakingDocPhotoAds 🍼
1 points
1 week ago
[pending moderation]
/u/AutoModerator M
1 points
1 week ago
Do not share clearnet communication handles.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/WildWagner
0 points
11 months ago
Another step in dread culture
Well at least this culminated in themis getting removed, thank god for that at least
/u/versacestove
-1 points
11 months ago
/u/Themis a better mod than you're dumb ass .. y'all was running that sub like North Korea. Then lying like y'all was doing some honorable shit.
My great "crime" was banning someone without doing a thorough enough investigation. By running like north korea you mean not letting vendors advertise without a flair, which is given after reaching 50 on market sales just like every other sub on dread?

Themis was threatening people and doxxing people and running around unchecked for half a year lmao
/u/ProBoy
0 points
11 months ago
All these Fraud related sub dreads have a notice saying "always use escrow " and they have also placed the link to the escrow. so if anybody is directly transferring money to someone means they are dumb as fuck.

Also that vendor thing doen't work for everyone. because some items are there that are so rare and creating a vendor account on a market is time wasting and hard to connect with buyers unlike here on these sub dreads.

So think about that again.
Instead of imposing such rules like censored media on fucking clearnet, ask these sub dread mods to put escrow notice on there description pane.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
You just contradicted yourself multiple times, enforcement of escrow requires market dealings, there is also the likes of FairTrade but this is to hold the subdreads to standards of verification and reputations built over time. You've also missed the point entirely, because Dread is not intended for organizing P2P trades in any way and definitely not to facilitate them. If you want to make one of purchases of something "rare" then Dread is not the place for you.

Its not censorship, its harm reduction.
/u/Amphora
2 points
11 months ago
It's not censorship, it's harm reduction.

This needs to be added in the Dread rules for anyone who comments on the "censorship" here.
/u/42069
1 points
11 months ago
Add to that:

"Keeping the rules enforced is for the safety of everyone! If we allow cops to make up cases [similar to "Operation Pipe Dream"] portraying dread as a DNM and not as just a forum then they'll get the means to prosecute users, mods, admins and anyone involed! We don't want that heat!"
/u/bosszozo80
0 points
11 months ago
[removed]
/u/AutoModerator M
1 points
11 months ago
No outside contact info

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/jilly
0 points
11 months ago
Was this one of the fraud guys that caused Microsoft server down?
/u/Pimbolato
0 points
11 months ago
I've never found a free and all community. You humans are disggusting for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
It always has been and continues to be, if you're selling something then there is no reason for you to not operate a vendor account on a market, that requirement protects everyone. If you have a problem with it, then it says a lot about what you are offering.
/u/Faweks
1 points
11 months ago
Dirty little pleasures we've been given in life, never get to really know who you're talking to, atleast on this side of the curve.
/u/Tordash
0 points
11 months ago
praise be to allah
/u/Fendatie
0 points
11 months ago
thank you, i appreciate this, i dislike Telegram scammers, many of them on here.
/u/AutoModerator M
0 points
11 months ago
Do not share clearnet communication handles.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.
/u/slit
0 points
11 months ago
> Going forward, all subs that fall into the Fraud category will be required to approve all new posts

does this apply to /d/Refunds? advertising services/products for sale in that sub is prohibited so I guess that wouldn't be a problem, but asking for a confirmation
I think there is value in continuing to host fraud related forums on Dread. Hopefully this works and it seems like a balanced solution for now. Well done!
/u/DefenseX
0 points
11 months ago
Absolutely necessary, thanks!
/u/versacestove
-1 points
11 months ago
Hez, PapaSam, & Indigo shouldn't be moderating anything besides their own homes! Feel like a lot of mods need to be removed / updated
/u/bigtrench
1 points
11 months ago
why exactly
/u/Sickboy311
-2 points
11 months ago
Ok, so dread is strictly for dope deals now? kinda makes me feel like my local dive bar just turned into a Starbucks... halfway through my damned drink...
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
No, not at all, its just that scammers can't post their ads
/u/Sickboy311
1 points
11 months ago
Oh, right on. But now all these noobs are are going to have to learn their lessons in a less controlled environment don't you think?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
1 points
11 months ago
No completely the opposite, prior to these rules, it WAS an uncontrolled environment, where anyone could just create an ad post and scam users with no accountability. This is not a marketplace, sales should not be conducted here. Discussions on methods, problems and reviews of legitimate market vendors is what this place always should have been, similarly to general DNM subdread communities. Its also what I assumed it was here because I never looked at these subs, I was very wrong and regret putting trust in others to do the job right.
/u/Sickboy311
1 points
11 months ago
I can see through your lens on this, but I mean at least anyone getting scammed on here probably needed it to prepare them for the real world out there. Not to condone it as an honorable trade but I think outside of dread these kids are naked in a field surrounded by lions.. The lions I ever saw in here were more like cloaked sheep. Or goats. whatever one is a grown a kid. Anyways. as I believe I just read like 25+ times it was mostly newbie scammers scamming newbies. Slightly irritating to maneuver around at times but I always thought they served a purpose. I don't think many of them were coming up on each others life savings, or when they were it was like $500 I would make guess at. IDK it doesn't really affect me too much but I will say, you probably lose like 10 punk rock points for this one lol.
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
Its harm reduction, no one should be coming here and getting scammed out of the gate. The entire platform has become a hub for harm reduction in many aspects and that was not being handled properly in terms of fraud. Would you say the same about drug related subdreads?

Seeing these changes as negative doesn't paint you in a particularly good light, compare what you are saying to every other comment in here.
/u/Sickboy311
1 points
11 months ago
I am just taking part in the convo. as far as scammers go they are in your drug threads your hacker threads... they populate like cockroaches and I believe I stated I dont condone it, I just think it could be far worse for the ones who come around almost asking to get scammed... We are all adults and I don't think the dark web is place for coddling. That being said, I am all for community and I have no intent to scam anyone. but who am I to judge another mans get down without living in his shoes?
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
2 points
11 months ago
Everyone starts somewhere and that should not be expected to be a start with a scam, no matter what. I hate spoon feeding people, but they also learn from that and so it has to be done wherever possible, whether that is for opsec or any other matter of protecting them. This is a positive way that reduces risk and they can and will learn with it as they go, compared to things like autoencrypt on a market for example - ridiculous spoon feeding, allowing people to avoid learning how to use PGP, but worse yet, it puts them at severe risk and is not a protective method at all. Forcing manual encryption so they HAVE to learn on the other hand, protects them and they learn from it. Not the best example to compare this to really, but it has only a positive effect and users will learn to research vendors while they choose who to buy from, with escrow protections and access to reviews.
/u/Sickboy311
1 points
11 months ago
I mean its your show man but society never improves at its core by developing more rules... maybe a facade of improvements but the law breakers will just get sneakier and seek refuge in a darker corner...
/u/HugBunter 📢 A
3 points
11 months ago
Its how everything results with laws, all of us here are of course way too familiar with that. These rules just filter the bullshit out of the platform a little more and I am fine with these dark corners being outside of Dread.
/u/Sickboy311
1 points
11 months ago
And please paint me in any light you see fit good sir, for I am not here to shine. I am here for information and to entertain myself in a way that doesn't involve doom scrolling instagram...