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Getting XMR for the first time : Monero | Torhoo darknet markets

Hi, I would like to acquire some XMR for the first time, but I have some questions.

I read a lot that getting XMR with P2P without any transparency crypto was better.
I started looking at Haveno and find out the No deposit option to get my first XMR.
The problem is, there is only a few buying offers with that option (8 at the moment) and a few payment methods.
Is there any other way to find sellers elsewhere, but sticking with Haveno for security purpose ? If I finally select a buying offer in Haveno, how can I check if a seller is serious ? I know about the signed account flag, but there is really a few among them with that flag.

I also looked at buying some LTC and using an instant exchange service to get some XMR. But how is any of that instant exchanger website working ? Will it be obvious if someone take a look at my crypto transfer history that I get some XMR ? What is the best anonymous way between buying LTC and swapping some coin to XMR, or getting some XMR with P2P through a SEPA payment method ? In each case, my identity could be find out.

Thanks a lot for all of the precious answer I get there so far.

/u/Dublin

1 points

3 months ago

If you buy xmr, they cannot trace what you spent it on.

/u/ignorantmonkey

1 points

3 months ago

Unless you buy XMR offline in person, there will always be some kind of trace back to your purchase of XMR. But the trace ends there.

I suggest you read up on Monero instead of taking my words for it but basically, once the Monero is in your wallet, no one can figure out what you did with your funds. Monero can proove that a transaction is legit through cryptography without having to disclose addresses or funds. No one can see how much XMR you have in your wallet. No one can see where you send some to. No one can see if you received any.

The only thing "they" will have on you is you buying your XMR. Now it's up to you to have good enough opsec to not expose anything on the clearnet. Follow the DNM bible and use common sense.

As for the LTC transaction time, it's relatively fast. Under 30 minutes for sure. Make sure you buy from no-KYC exchange. kycmenot dot com is a good resource. Lot of people by their XMR directly from Cake Wallet.

Lotta people don't bother, but I'd recommend having a "clearnet wallet' where you'll receive the coins you just bought, and send them to a separate "dnm wallet" from which you will do you purchases.

/u/tantine1938 📢

1 points

3 months ago

Thank you for you answer.
When you said "Make sure you buy from no-KYC exchange", does it concern only swapping LTC to XMR ? Because I cannot see a way to purchase LTC with a no-KYC exchange service (except from P2P).
What about having an account on the clearnet with my real identity in an exchange service to buy LTC, then swap some of it for XMR ? (Not all of course, I read the DNM bible a lot last few days). Then the LTC clearnet wallet could be see as an investment wallet.

/u/ignorantmonkey

1 points

3 months ago

Aside from P2P, there are decentralized exchange, or DEX, that allow you to trade one crypto for another. Those DEX usually do not require you to create an account. So no email, no name, no nothing.

You either get your LTC on a CEX (centralized exchange) where you will have to give some personal info to buy crypto with fiat or you go the P2P route. Either way, after that you swap your LTC for XMR on a DEX.

Note that it doesn't have to be LTC either. Just pick a coin that is supported across multipe DEX and that are not too volatile and not too expensive in fees. LTC is a prime candidate for that. Depending on what markets you have access too, you mind find something else that works.

I'd say, if your (and your vendor's) opsec is on point, the biggest thing you have to worry about are taxes. Get familiar with your local crypto taxes. You don't want to have someone asking where all that LTC money went. Lots of countries have no taxes on small amounts so it might be a non-issue. Just make sure you know what you're doing.

edit: also, I realized I gave you the wrong address in my previous message. it should read kycnot dot me

/u/retrodude

1 points

3 months ago

I've learned a lot about monero in past years and let me tell you sometimes buying P2P sepa can be a bigger red flag. Think of all the users buying from the same account how it looks from banks or police perspective

LTC and swapping to XMR is way to go. Keep a real monero wallet in case you get asked then send to your darknet wallet and from there buy whatever you want! Always can say if asked you purchased something on your real monero wallet no one can tell you've sent it to your darknet monero wallet.

Hope it cleared it up

/u/tantine1938 📢

1 points

3 months ago

If I recap, i buy LTC from any KYC, use an instant exchange service to transfer to a "real" wallet (not in Tails), then transfer some XMR to my feather wallet on Tails. And as XMR transfer are encrypted, they can never know what I did with that XMR ? That make sense

/u/retrodude

1 points

3 months ago

Ding ding ding correct my man! Enjoy!

/u/Kev69 P

1 points

3 months ago

1st. It would greatly depend on where your located.
2nd. Would depend greatly upon your threat model.
3rd. Consider how much you want to pay, how much convience/effort you want to invest, how much further into crypto (XMR, LTC, BTC, BCH) you plan to go, and how quickly you want coins/fiat exchanged.

Answering all the above (to yourself) will help you determine your next steps.
Ultimately, you'll be risking 'something' either way, as a beginner. Just limit your risk until you get your feet wet!

*As for Haveno-Reto your certain on a good path, although maybe not beginner-user friendly, as a first-time buyer I'd say your pretty safe. It's really the sellers on that platform that assume the most risk. If your USA and viewing some no despoit cash in the mail offers, just follow the rules and recommendations and start out small ($100-200) if possible and Im sure you'll be fine. Same goes for trading btc/ltc on that platform. Good thing about Hav/ CBM to XMR is you can easily say: "WHAT CRYPTO-WHAT COINS" to whomever would ask. If that doesn't concern you, and don't mind a bit more price, then just use Cake Wallet on your phone all the way to XMR (some places dont allow direct fiat-to-XMR) and then send XMR to personal-offline wallet BEFORE going to market/seller.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

bro you can try tradeogre it's good and everything is fine with me

/u/DeviousDolphin

1 points

3 months ago

Just buy LTC or BTC on an exchange and use Trocador to convert it. Or use Kraken and buy it directly, just send it to a wallet and make sure to create a new address each time. I would recommend the official monero wallet app or feather which I like better.

/u/PantoufleTropicale

1 points

3 months ago

Hi, when creating an account on Kraken or any other exchange, should we use our real identity, and do it on the clearnet ? Can I use my everyday Gmail address to create these accounts?
The, exchanging LTC to XMR on the clearnet too, using my real identity, and not using Tor? then sending the XMR to my Feather Wallet ?