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Ginseng (me) last post: This is about you all. I would like to say goodbye and thank you! : EmpireMarket | Torhoo darknet markets

This is a long read, but i think its worth it, for sure to the guys that are old.

The Story and a bit of dark net history:

I rememer when i started back in 2013 and i registered into Ross's Silk Road. Back then i havent understood anything about fraud. It was fraud cause i knew drugs or weapons are not for me, cause im interested in security too much and i dont know, maybe i dont have enought balls do to physical stuff like packing, delivering and stuff.

So i wanted go into fraud. My first order was on SilkRoad 2 and quicky after that i registered to the infamous TorCardingForum, runned by Verto. People will remember iSellPizza, Green (still active here on dread), alpha02, Kimble, MountainHigh9, cardbro and others. I still remember the vetting process to get into the VIP where people would really share blodded edge methods that really worked. Back there i was a newbie, but i found a guy to be my partner in crime and helped me to get amazing cards and thats how i started vending on Evolution Market. There, MountainHigh9 mentored me on how to behave with customers, since i was a vendor now and he wanted me to succed. What an amazing guy, he did this for free and he told me, some of us must go by "Honor among Thieves", a motto that i borrowed and i always tried to implement.

I remember that i copied product description from ENZO, the guy who sold non-VBV world wide cards. Since my sourse was really great, i started to enter in the known legit CC sellers. But the competitioon was huge. Kalashnikov resellers were dominating the market along with ThinkingForward, ston3d, stratton_oaks, Redman, Yasuo, zela. So i though i would register to Nucleus, cause if you remember, it had no vendor fee.

In two months, without this huge competiton i became the most popular CC seller on the market. Feedback? 4.88 out of 5 and more than 4000 cards sold overthere. Then, the fatal 18th March came. Evolution Market exit scammed. The ones that created some of the best fraud communities ever, TCF and Evolution Market, Verto and Kimble thought that they would be more off with all of users money. It was a shame, but by that time, after two fights in early 2014 and in late 2014, alpha02 created his own market. Not even thinking that i would be a great market, since i remember when he told me that his desing is an old ebay design so probably only some will adhere to that design. How far was he from the truth. I was member #57.

In the early days of Alphabay Market i was selling my cards, he was posting his guides for free on the forums and people got the taste of it, because there was a lot of free great information there. When Evolution exit scammed, half of people went to Nucleus, half on Alpha.

By that time, me and alpha02 were really good since i always helped him to get leakers of his alpha02 Carding University, since i was on Nucleus, Agora and BlackBank (remember it?) So i tried to help him implement some new stuff, like the ability to give likes to posts, edit your own post and stuff regarding functionality.

So my main market became Alphabay market, where i started selling Bank Drops. Fun fact: I was the second vendor in english speaking dark net (there is a Brazilian one, a Russian one, Chinesse and Japanese one, to name only the big ones) to sell Bank Drops. More Fun Fact: I was the first to sell Bank of America and Wells Fargo personal Bank drops. After a good run making nice money from them, i wanted to share the information on how to this your own. So i created Ginseng's Bank Drop Creation Guide. Price? $150. Price of a Bank Drop? $150. I did this by the motto: "Don't give a starving man a phish. Teach him how to phish". I knew that this is the way to make a name for yourself, cause the most important thing in this world, beside money, is to have respect from other users. I know everybody wants it and only few have it, because you really have to sacrifice some of possible profits by helping for free newbies and others.

In 2017 i got on Top20 most notorious members of AlphaBay Market Forum. Now imagine that for anybody this would be an achievement, when in the forum were about 250,000 active members. This is due to The Essential Virtual Carding Handbook. The guide that was sold in 468 copies, that helped people change their lifes, i still talk to people that made $30k+ in a few months, till the setups worked. It was the most popular guide with genuine information on english dark net.

Alphabay and Hansa went down and there were bad times for dark net users. Thankfully WallStreet showed up and looked promising. Honestly? I never liked that market, so when i saw Empire, it gave me back the feeling of Alphabay and the community that was quite amazing. Yes, i know many said it was too full of newbies, but thats because of dark net going mainstream with the help of Mass Media. I had no issues, since i remembered that i was a noob too, but there was one guy, MountainHigh9 that really changed my life for free and at a low cost for his guides. So if you see newbies, dont step on them, try to help. You will probably never receive not even a "thank you", but you might get a recurring customer too.

With Empire Market and Dread, the community, at least for the moment is safe, it can interchange information, make deals and link virtual friendships.

Now that we got to this part, i would like to thank to some people that ive learned from and to some guys that i have bonded with, amazing stand up guys:

Thank you

MountainHigh9
macca
ilovedrake
Jetmagnum
iuii8
RedSon
Moka
ston3d
ThinkingForward
Zela
Enzo
yougtuga
sinnerman
iSellPizza
ThePokerGuy
username501/cardbro
TranscendPro
Stratton
Walkerz
IgnatioSam
Battalion
bannedEbooks
evoscans
lot_oo7
kamesenin
alpha_02
deSnake
disc0
vaas
HugoChavez
GoldenAce
musa_mansa
Yasuo
AnonymousTrinity
andigatel
LoveHateHero
yegate
anonyps
iceprince
Raspi
trappy
onionhood
livinglarge
Spartanz
funWithcodes
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlYybDBZMmh0WVc0d05RPT0=#
TimothyLeary
hackenfield
zulutango
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdmQyaGhkR1YyWlhKek9EZz0=#
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdmRtbDBiMnd5TWc9PQ==#
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNtRmphMTlLWVdOcg==#
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlUyVTNaVzQ9#
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlJXMXdhWEpsVFdGeWEyVjA=#
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNIVm5RblZ1WkdWeQ==#

and of course many others, that i am sorry that i dont remember at the moment.

I would like to thank them all. But most of all i would like to thank you ALL for being a great community. Thank you for being a part of my life, that i laught with you, some of you made me mad, some of you that think that my guides are not good enought (but i thank you, since critics always help you improve if you dont take it personal) and too all that once had a good intention to build this community. Maybe some wont believe, but trust me, those 7 years with the people listed here and more, have changed my life in a good way and again, i must say that i will miss you all. This is all about you! I bow in front of you and i wish you all the best in this career and please stay safe! For those that need FREE Fraud Resources, please do go to / d/FraudResources, a community created by me exactly for that.

Goodbye

I dont know if matters to say this, but here it goes: It is really sad that i write this last lines. I know i would not be the man in real life and managing my real life business without you all, without all that ive learned from small details from newbies and pros alike. From criticism that made me struggle to deliver better products to praises that pushed me to do more and share more with you all. I do hope that i had at least a small benefic impact in your life.

This being said, with one tear in my eye and with a heavy hart, it is time to say Goodbye for good. Two days from now i will delete my Guide listing and my Empire Market Vendor account and my other platforms account.

I know in the end, on my posts i normally say, instead of "thank you", "upvote". I would like, in case you have the feeling, to please comment with any words you would like to sent to me that would warm an old fraudsters heart lol, in the comments.

Goodbye old and new friends! And thank you! Keep up the good work and make this community a great one!

Best regards,

G.
/u/[deleted]
9 points
5 years ago
A career ends, but this time not in Jail.
You deserve to be one of those we all will speek years past this day, you doing the right thing, Quit when its time to and dont regret your decision.
I dont know you long or very good, but enough to know that you deserve a long and peacefull live.

Have a Drink on me an enjoy everything you want.
/u/O_O
3 points
5 years ago
I'm a huge noob and never personally knew you but all the resources youve dumped on here have been extremely helpful to me thank you man I wish u luck
/u/Hackenfield
3 points
5 years ago
In a world were integrity means nothing, you have shown what integrity means, what compassion and hard working can lead to.
With sadness i wish you a Farewell because in these years You have been a friend and someone i can call a true brother and that's rare.,
Once Jean Paul Sartre said, Don’t be sad because it’s over. but Smile because it happened. so im smiling my friend, because i know you did the right thing even if it was'nt the easest, i smile because you have been brave and all heroes deserve some rest, i will miss our conversations about the world that could be, but so long for now brother, to Infinity and Beyond!
/u/frankdiedoursins
1 points
5 years ago
Huh, I thought it was Dr. Seuss who said that overly-quoted quote
/u/oreocarder
2 points
5 years ago
Ginseng have a nice crime free life ,we would all miss you
/u/Ginseng 📢 Vendor
1 points
5 years ago
Thank you, mate!

Best of regards,

G.
/u/malibuu
1 points
5 years ago
Always sad to see someone apart of the community go. You'll be missed, I'm sure there are many here solely because of your contributions. Wish you the best.
-malibuu
/u/FelixThaCat
1 points
5 years ago
I'm quite new here but I certainly recognise the name, it always reminds me of that Wu Tang lyric "I sing a song from Sing-Sing, sipping on ginseng"

Good luck in your legit endevours, peace
/u/Golgo13
1 points
5 years ago
See you in space cowboy...
/u/Ginseng 📢 Vendor
1 points
5 years ago
Hope to, cowboy...

Regards,

G.
/u/ShirouTP
1 points
5 years ago
You will not be forgotten.
/u/alextmc77
1 points
5 years ago
Wow. All good things must come to an end. I don't know you and I haven't had a deal with you, but with what I have read, you are a legend. Thank you for changing lives.
/u/PharmaG
1 points
5 years ago
Best wishes man. Enjoy retirement, you earned it.
/u/yungt
1 points
5 years ago
U did good G.Appreciate everything.Stay safe
/u/gentlegent
1 points
5 years ago
What an awesome read. I don't know you but thank you for your contributions to this community. I hope you pop in every now and then.
It is sad that all good things must eventually come to an end.

Take care.
/u/LokoSokoRokooo
1 points
5 years ago
I`m one of Ginseng students now , and i am glad that i have the oportunity to learn from the master GINSENG , in this few days i allready can say that i have a good base of understanding the fraud game and i can tell that is hard its not easy at all , but with the help of G. my fraudster carrer has begun with a good start . Thank you G. for everything that you have done for the comunity and first of all thank you for giving me the oportunity to change my life ! i wish you all the good luck out there in the free world !
/u/babohead
1 points
5 years ago
GL, I know nothing of the fraud market. Nothing wrong with popping in as a new identity from time to time!
/u/homerjay420
1 points
5 years ago
Bro, The legacy you have left will not be forgotten, you will leave as a legend and for the next 30 years people will talk about Ginseng, and dream of retiring to a Banana Republic in style... like the legend himself.

Your belief in community and your continued desire to pass your knowledge down to noobs shows the high quality of your character... burn the mark, not your brother. I am saddend that I was away on vacation for the glory days of Alpha, etc... it would have been amazing to have worked alongside you all these years, as I am sure we would have. I have relied heavily on your posts to catch myself up and learn how the tech has progressed these past years. and provide a jumping off point... and I thank you for your help. I am counting on the legacy you have left behind... your students to whom you are passing the torch.. to continue your enlightened view toward growth and learning, so that I can soon find my path to sucess... interupted...

I intend to make /d/fraudresources a home away from home...and I look forward to learning from you far into the future...

Thanks again!!
Good luck with your next venture...
I'm sure I will see you again... under a different name... just hangin out :-)
/u/TimothyLeary
1 points
5 years ago
Goodbye my brother! Most helpful guy when it came to directly reporting scammers and phishers. Cheers and good luck in the next phase of your life.
/u/LUMIN0US
1 points
5 years ago
Very well said, when I say my goodbyes I needa borrow this speech lol

Very humbled and honored to have learned from you in such a short time!

Thank you and all the best in your endeavours!
/u/MJA20WithA3
1 points
5 years ago
We are all here right now because of you and the choices you decides to make/especially early on. Thank you.
/u/yami
1 points
5 years ago
Well didn't have pleasure to do business with you becouse i'm kinda new there but all these things that you share there for free are really helpful. People for sure will remember you as the helpful person. For me your shared guides are helping me with getting started and for sure not only me. Best wishes buddy. Hi5!
/u/Fulgore
1 points
5 years ago
Its hard to see someone say goodbye, specially someone who has contributed so much to the community. I did download your guides and learnt a lot from it, enough to have a good understanding of how things work. Nobody would have done that here except you. I really hope you have a great life as a retired man and again thank you for everything!
/u/PostThunder
1 points
5 years ago
See you space cowboy...
/u/OneStochasticMonkey
1 points
5 years ago
Thanks for passing the torch.
/u/Finreal
1 points
5 years ago
I just start to talk and met the legend Master G not to long ago, But i already had read and received guides and stuff from others, special CC vendors that use his guides and material ... Stuff like if it was of their own.. bunch of donks... any way I belivie that everyone that has met or talk with G will miss him, the guy is very nice/kind and give attention to everyone even if you did not buy nothing from him and have GIVE so much for so many in all DPW, really CONTRIBUTED and A LOT, AND FREE INFORMATION ALSO.
Is too bad that he is going but everybody will remember him as the LEGEND.
Hey Buddy Have a good retirement.
And from me i only can say good thing and wish GOOD THINGS TO YOU MATE.

TKS AND GOD BLESS U
STAY SAFE AND ENJOY LIFE BUDDY
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
very nice story. Congratulations for your last years on world of deep web :)
i have only one question.if I remember correctly verto and kimble are the 2 admin who made exit scam on Evolution market. So I believe you have more information about them that ruined the lives of several people by stealing their money. I just wanted to let you know that there is a list that is constantly updated containing the names of all those who have made exit scams in recent years. Some would love to be able to shorten this list by deleting some names. Of course also physically deleting them ;)
For the rest, your story, like that of many others who have had the privilege of administering or moderating these markets, is very beautiful and intriguing. Who knows ... maybe one day someone will make a movie about us
/u/papaya28
1 points
5 years ago
Youll be missed man... Youre a great help not just to me but everyone.

my best regards to you,

Papaya(:

p.s. thank you for the hand
/u/Lightstar
1 points
5 years ago
Hello, Ginseng. Even though we never talked. I have read the knowledge that you have posted on /d/FraudResource and i appreciate the amount of work you have put towards the knowledge that you have posted.

I have seen you vending since the Alphabay days to be honest. I was looking forward to buy a guide from you after seeing the reviews about you but i got into selling drugs first so i didn't really bother with carding much anymore after that point since i find selling drugs to be much easier.

Sad to see you go really. Wish i could have a chance to work with you. But since you're done with the game. I bid you farewell my friend. I will study on what you have posted.

Enjoy your new life, Ginseng.
Thank you.
-Lightstar
/u/LaBelleDeMai Vendor
1 points
5 years ago
You will be missed bro! The best to you :)
/u/bourbon001
1 points
5 years ago
Dang that was heavy, take care of your self and your family, can always drop by dread and see what. New shit show is unfolding. You spoke like a true very vendor
/u/Juggernaut16
1 points
5 years ago
G,

I can't begin to express my thanks.

When I first messaged you about your course I didn't have the money to buy it and I was honest with you about that and you were honest with me, but I knew after reading your posts about honor among thieves that I'd found my mentor. I scraped up the money, read it a million times, and must have asked you 10 million stupid n00b questions, but you were always patient and you never made me feel like I was stupid.

I think of that every time someone messages me about something in your guides and I try to respond the way you would.

You've helped me in ways I can never explain if I want to keep good Opsec so I can never fully thank you.

I just want you to know that you've turned at least one life around and the darknet will be a little darker without you.
/u/MethHead2017
1 points
5 years ago
Oh my god.... reading his Goodbye made me sad for all of us; I'm not even a fraudster, but I possess an immense amount of respect for him, what he's done, what he's given and who he is. Reading these comments has been really touching. But reading the the last line of yours just broke something loose in the dam....
/u/gingerbread
1 points
5 years ago
Thanks for all your help and advice. And I'm happy to see that you're leaving on your own terms. All the best for the future!!
/u/FoxxObj6
1 points
5 years ago
Dear Ginseng,
I don't know you too well, and I'm certain you don't know who I am. However after very recently finding you and your content (and reviews), I am extremely grateful to have this opportunity to say thank you before you get off the dark net for good. Your farewell letter and history is truly heart warming and even though I did not know you for very long, I really am going to miss you. Your story and history in the dark web interests me and I'm sure it will interests a lot of others too (whether they are in to the dark web or not) so even though you may never open tor again, I encourage you to keep telling your story, It is a good one. I hope wherever you are and what ever you are doing, you are doing it in peace and happiness. For as long as I'm here your legend and stories will carry on. Thank you so much for your outstanding impact and aid to the community. Best wishes from your new friend,
Foxxobj6
/u/hectorfederal
1 points
5 years ago
God bless you bro, I really hope read that guide one day, i m broke now but with the right actitude :D
/u/Alpha_Wolf
1 points
5 years ago
You will be missed bro! Enjoy retirement
/u/Hadrian
1 points
5 years ago
We will all miss you. Good luck on your new adventure.
We'll see you round, G. Thanks for your DNM service, and feel free to come out of retirement at any time, like an old hermit wizard descending the mountain. :D
/u/frankdiedoursins
1 points
5 years ago
inb4 G comeback as DNM's Gandalf
/u/pmanning
1 points
5 years ago
Good luck bro.Wish you the best on whatever new endeavors you might take on.
/u/pmanning
1 points
5 years ago
Good luck bro.Best wishes on whatever new endeavors you take on.
/u/frankdiedoursins
1 points
5 years ago
Probably only known you for sixth month or less. But honestly, you're one of the nicest old lad in here.
I'm sorry I never bought your course or ended up getting your modules, even thought I keep bothering you day and night.

Hope you'll enjoy your real life endeavor, whatever it is ye old relic.
Hope you never comeback in here. Even if you do, I hope it wasn't for business again.

So long and thanks for all the fishes, G.

Ps: You helped me A LOT to find my current partner. I'm sure he's here too somewhere.
/u/AspHell
1 points
5 years ago
Bye man! You've been a real one! <3
/u/tophatTREE
1 points
5 years ago
Extremely sad you're gone, I was planning on purchasing your book tomorrow when I get paid, y'know...help me get out of this 9-5 shit.

I've read every bit of free information you've posted. I'm still scared to pull the trigger, but thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the help you've given the community. You even answered a PM I sent you with no qualms at all.

You're a great dude.

Honor among Thieves, my friend. Honor among Thievs.
/u/BigBird1
1 points
5 years ago
Goodbye and good ridden! (kidding)

ps. I am in your list you just don't know who.
/u/Ineedhelp
1 points
5 years ago
Good to see someone like you leaving the community how you wanted not in jail so well done and best of luck spend that money wisely :)
You kept integrity and honor at all times.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago*
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/u/Finreal
1 points
5 years ago
Good words, Congrats Vitol, I would like to met G before but i am happy to already be able to met, talk and see what kind of guy he is, AND ONE BEAUTIFUL THING IS THAT DPW IS NOT 100% MTF SCAMS. There is good person here too. G - Fucking enjoy ur retirement.
/u/AllRight
1 points
5 years ago
When you leave, we will certainly miss your nice attitude and manners. I believe you will be remembered for long time for what you did for community.

I would like to thank you for all knowledge that you passed on and for inspiration. Enjoy your life, mate!
/u/digidy
1 points
5 years ago
Good luck with the future mate. Hope it all goes well.
/u/maxwis
1 points
5 years ago
Thank you G.
/u/barnsleys
1 points
5 years ago
I remember your name on a few of the older, and now gone, marketplaces.
Never met you but you do sound like a top bloke.
Good luck for the future.
/u/atomisk
1 points
5 years ago
Ginseng-Is the root of plants in the genus Panax
you've definitely rooted many plants.
/u/FelixThaCat
1 points
5 years ago
I think all veterans who leave the DNM scene on good terms should give their alter egos a Viking funeral, put all your smashed up hard drives and anything else related in a wooden boat, put lighter fluid on it and push it out, aflame, into a secluded lake
/u/jellyfish42
1 points
5 years ago
Damn thats the longest article I've read till the end on DN. Thanks G! I'm really glad I bought your guide last minute and got chance to join this comunity. Even though you obv wont appreciate this as much as people that you've know and done bussines with for years, trust me that I appreciate you a lot! thanks and enjoy your retirement lol.
/u/benjichasin
1 points
5 years ago
Best wishes G,enjoy your retirement. Thanks for helping change so many lifes. May more success and blessings come your way.
/u/ztozom
1 points
5 years ago
What a way to bow out. That was a beautiful goodbye, and it's wonderful to see a pillar of the community move on with safety and such positive experiences. Your words reminded me of the beauty there is in this community, new and old. As a long time member (although less active) your memories resonate strongly with me, I think I can say for us all that we wish you well! If there was a darknet pub I'd buy you a drink.

Have a good one! Although you'll be missed I still wish you the best of luck in your future plans.
/u/pawdelta
1 points
5 years ago
This is such a beautifully wholesome post, it's sad to see you go G. There's not enough people like you out there. I wish you luck and good fortune. Prosper well <3
/u/psychthedoor
1 points
5 years ago
I don't know you but seems like you're leaving on your terms and are happy with your choices.

Good luck to you
/u/Black27
1 points
5 years ago
So long bud. And glad to see you move on to the next chapter. And thanks for the information.
/u/Skinnyy
1 points
5 years ago
Ginseng +1, Feds=0
Always a great day when you're leaving on your own accord
Enjoy retirement
/u/misslaverna
1 points
5 years ago
Sad to see you leave man, you helped alot of people out including me. Wishing you all the best luck with your legal ventures and that you may live a happy crime free life!
/u/goldendragon
1 points
5 years ago
Man, im new here. But thanks anyway. Im a noob but im inspired with your story. Wish you all the best in this life. I hope i discover ginseng right away. But nothing change. Even this is the first time i knew your name. Im so inspired. Thank you mr ginseng
/u/catsanddogs
1 points
5 years ago
kinda sad that i never got to know you dude
/u/henryhill1998
1 points
5 years ago
i know for the many obvious reasons it'll never happen, i but i kinda wish there was a Ginseng documentary with interviews and all kinds of facts and statistics (How much he's profitted, some history on the dark net, interesting stories, etc.)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Two things stopped me from committing Suicide: /u/Ginseng and my Fiancee.
/u/imissprivacy
1 points
5 years ago
Cheers! Congrats on your success.
/u/dr9021tu
1 points
4 years ago
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Noobs and Pros should jump on this. click here: https://docdro.id/VdDOSKT

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/u/3spirit
1 points
4 years ago
That was a nice message. Im a newb with honor who is tempted to learn about this world. I'm a quick learner, creative and think out the box. F is not really my world, but why not? I will look into your guides if i do find any ginseng
/u/[deleted]
1 points
4 years ago
love you ginseng
/u/BlckWildling
1 points
4 years ago
Lovely Sir, you my friend are a good Thief...pun intended
/u/Username1
0 points
5 years ago
frausters are low life gutter trash

you will always be a piece of shit
/u/Viktor
2 points
5 years ago
you spelt drug dealers wrong
/u/atomisk
1 points
5 years ago
Let this post be a light bulb and let you know that you've beat the LE too they spend millions to fuck up peoples lives this is just some LE cringing because you made it out alive and in fucking tact
/u/Dreamvendor1990
0 points
5 years ago
Wheres my thanks ginseng, i sold you that terabyte of mother daughter childporn i got from the russian mafia and you didnt even leave feedback