how do ya'll get off the stuff ? legit question - having issues quiting and need advice suggestions from those more experienced : Opiates | Torhoo darknet markets

Hi mate,

Sorry to hear what you're going through and believe me you're not alone.

I got started after a mate introduced me to dihydrocodeine, I'd do it once a week (sometimes once a fortnight) and as he sourced it, it meant I only ever did it with him. Then, I started buying off the dark web for him, and then eventually started buying for myself when I saw how cheap pressed pills were (these contains zenes so I know what they're like). Originally, it went from doing fortnightly, then weekly, then daily, then I got to the point I'd be waking up in the night to do it and then going back to bed. I'd buy presses where one pill originally would last me more than a day and built up my tolerance to where I was doing 6-7 a day just to not go into withdrawals. You think that you won't ever feel normal again when you try and stop, but you will.

I'd highly advise to not cold turkey it. I've told people that opioid withdrawals are one of the worst things I've gone through. I tell people that when they have the flu and they say "I wish I was dead" that withdrawals are 100x worse and you would legitimately rather be dead. One of my mates said he wonders what it would be like to experience withdrawals and I had serious talk with him and said he'd be the biggest fucking idiot for doing that to himself.

I'm currently taking methadone and slowly tapering off of it. I know some people say you're just replacing one opioid for another but if that's what medical professionals deem the best course of action, I'm not going to question it and it does seem to work. The first few days were terrible and I would have given anything to relapse but once you beat those days, you start to see life again. You don't want to be a slave to a drug, recreational use of drugs should be fun, not a requirement to get by.

I stopped going out, missed events, and spent days anxiously waiting for the postman, and if a parcel didn't arrive and I had run out, the sheer panic just isn't a way to live.

I guess my advice is don't go alone and if you can get medical help, do it.

Feel free to DM me as well, I'm happy to answer any questions you have or chat about it.

Good luck mate.

Yeah I had similar problem I waited 9 full days of no opioids whatsoever before I took suboxone and worked. Prior to that I had waited 5 & 7 days and tbat was still too soon and threw me into a miserable withdrawal. I had to do all this in a bdetox since I knew being in the streets left me no chance. It all depends tho. If youve only been using opioids for a few months or even up to a year or 2 id say you can definitely do this on your own. Anything more than that id just bite the bullet and look for a detox center.

Now it's been 6 full months no opioids except just suboxone so have no worries it can be done. I recommend using some benzos to help during withdrawal period it helped me a ton but don't mix any benzos with opioids for overdose reasons of course.

Life is much easier not having to worry about copping on a daily basis I can guarantee that. It's definitely worth the fight. Just give yourself a chance.

I stayed clean for over 8 years and it was as simple as this.
Inpatient rehab 30-60 days
Moved into a sober house after. Had a great time and met alot of great people. I'm talking lifetime friends. Learned a lot while living in there.
I went to AA, got a sponsor, worked with my sponsor, started sponsoring people after 14-16months. I still have guys that I sponsored that are out there, sober and sponsoring guys.
AA was a great thing for me. I learned a ton about myself and met a lot of great people. I also met a lot of scumbags but I didn't hang around them.
I have seen so many people make friends with people in AA that had very little clean time and assumed these people were gonna be life time friends. That's not how it works. With AA you gotta find people that have years sober and hang out with those people. They will show you a great way of living. And not everyone in AA that have been sober for years are happy good people. It's life, there are good and bad people, everywhere.
That's what I did and it kept me sober for over 8 years. it was a great time in my life and I loved it. It wasn't always great, it had its ups and downs but I kept going through it.
It wasn't until COVID hit and meetings weren't open and I stopped finding new guys to sponsor. That's when I started to fuck up. I got used to doing nothing for my sobriety. Eventually I stopped going to my home groups, stopped sponsoring people and starting taking drugs again.
See, I did all this without taking subs or methadone. I never used anything for those 8 years.
When I started to slip up I started by eating THC gummies and vaping THC carts. Eventually I became paranoid when I was high and it was not enjoyable anymore. So I moved on to Kratom, which was great for maybe a year but eventually it wasn't enough. That's when the pharmacuticals came in and then the dope again.
See I have this problem where I can not use recreationally. Once a month? Once every other week? Once a week? I wish.... After 8 years I thought I could do it.....but here I am back to every single day and it's been like this for sometime now. The only good thing? I'm not shooting dope nor will I go back to it.
Back in 2014 when fent was first coming around in my area, it took me out. Woke up in a ambulance and knew I had to stop doing this. So no more needles and thank God for dread and getting our dope tested.

If you want to get clean, you can do it man! Take suggestions! Listen to people! The sober life is fucking awesome! It really is!!!! So much great shit happens during sobriety!
But to do it you gotta give up completely, your way is the wrong way. You gotta admit you don't know shit about staying sober otherwise you would be right now.
That was biggest problem, I always told people what I would and would not do. It wasn't until I gave up and went to rehab and let them tell me what to do.

Edit
I forgot to mention that I went to a methadone clinic for two years and went to a sub doctor for a year. I kept getting high doing both of these. I eventually got kicked out of the methadone clinic and was tapered down quick as fuck! That's when I went to my second or third inpatient rehab.

Both methadone and Suboxone can work for some people! I met a lot of people at the methadone clinic that didn't get high for many years and I know a few people that Suboxone worked for as well!

taper slowly. dont get high, just do enough to stave off withdrawls. no treat days. eventually step down to kratom and taper that off too. Either that or get on subs or the shot.

Kratom in sufficient amounts can hold off the worst of the wds in my experience, especially with a concentrated powder mixed in. Currently using Kats Botanicals red vein (with a tiny scoop of concentrated powder added), about 1.5-2 tsp packed into Blate Papes cuz the taste makes me puke it back up and the dosage I use isn't cost effective trying to use prefilled capsules.
PM me or ask here if more information would help, happy to share my experience.

The suboxone life helps with the physical withdrawal and after a few weeks of reprogramming your brain out of active addiction habits you should feel better.

Try taking at least 16 mgs of suboxone or subutex but make sure you wait long enough after your last dose.

Find something distracting to do for one or two days (like getting fucked up on sleeping pills and staying in bed) or until you really feel withdrawal coming on. Then try a couple subs. Wait till you feel the withdrawal symptoms come back and take two more. After a few times doing this slowly decrease your dose and taper down.

If you really want to quit active addiction go find a doctor or a good source of suboxone and stick with it for awhile.

If you've been using for years it might take you just as long to get out of the addictive habits you've become accustomed to.

DM me if you need any help. I've been on subs for the last two years

Your subs didnt work because the stuff youre taking likely has etazene, protonitazene, isotonitazene, or any similar analogue in the -zene family or it could have xylazine in it as well or insted of a a chem from the -zene family. Xylazine isnt a true opiate i dont believe, but often is used fro fake pressed pill and in "fentadope" even if no fent is present. same as anything from the -zene family hich are also not exactly opiates but can be reversed with naloxone, while xylazine is advised to be reveresed using naloxone but it is not as effective as it is on true opiates and things like that. so, both of these drugs ( or xylazine and the class of -zenes last longer than fentanyl. especially -zenes. this is how most vendors past the Fentnanyl test. because they dotn use fent! they use -zenes or xylazine or a combo of them. for example, -zenes are similar in potency to fentanyl (microgram doses) but last 4-8 hours dpeending on the exact compound. xylazine laasts about 3-4 i believe.

so therefore, they last in your body much longer than fentanyl would, and in most cases, last longer in your body than regular heroin. So you end up taking Suboxone too early thinking the "fent" or pure regular #4 heroin should be out fo your system, but in fact its not. so you get sent into PRECIPITATED WITHDRAWALS by having -zenes or xylazine or both in your body, thinking you have been using fentadope, fent pressed pils, or pure heroin. This is why people are having trouble using suboxone. because they DONT KNOW WHAT THEYRE TAKING.

Suboxone is your best bet for ending your addiction. OR methadone is a far second, but still effective, especially if you swith to suboxone after a while on methadone. you just need to wait until the drugs are fully out of your system (whatever the hell they are) adn THEN take the suboxone.alsomost peoplle dont realize how much suboxone they need for relief. fif youre a moderate user start with one 8mg strip, heavy 2 8mg strips, ultra heavy, 3 8mg strips. anymore will not help you as it has a ceiling effect and does nothing more to benefit you at all past 24-28mg MAX.

fuck 12 steps. their own ADMITTED rate of success is below 10%. suboxone clinics collectively have a success rate of over 50%. these numbers canbe found online easily and you can get prescribed subs over the phone now and have them called in monthly. plenty of websites. dont know the names off the top of my head but they are available.

I prefer subutex over suboxone. I dont get precipitated WD as much with subutex. I however use less subutex even with a heavy #4 habit. 24 mg of subs is a lot and hard to get off once you start. I would recommend using as little as possible. wait as long as you can before taking subs. there is a scale only where you can rate yourself to make sure you are ready. PWD's are the worst. make sure you are in WD. Look up the scale online and it works. I only used #4, no fent. So not sure what fent/zene does to your tolerance. If you get on subs realize its hard to get off subs unless you quick taper off subs. I know very few people who get off subs, some go back to dope some one M-done. If you are doing M-done you really dont want to do subs right away as it has a long half life. Good luck. Blum.

It doesn't have to be AA or NA based, but you should go to a detox and stay for residential.

The main thing is that you need to realize you actually CAN'T do this.

Our natural instinct is to want to keep fighting and thinking we can figure it out and do it on our own.

But in all honesty, the best move you can make right now is admitting to yourself that you need help to get clean. You know if you feel bad and you have access to pills you are gonna take them. I know because I have been there too.

Realistically, you aren't going to get clean until you go to an environment where they keep you from feeling too bad and you don't have access to drugs.

But, assuming you do go to detox, it's very important to not think that you got it under control once the withdrawals are gone and you start to feel normal again. The hardest part comes after that. The hardest part is when you are doing better and you know you can get high and choosing NOT to do that. Choosing NOT to do it every single day, multiple times per day, that is the hard part. It does get easier over time.

Stay for residential. Learn about yourself and why you got here in the first place.

Just be aware that assuming you get your body clean, your mind will continue to play tricks on you just to get you to give it that feeling again.