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I wonder how easy it is for the feds to obtain transaction records on these applications, other than blockchain analysis and cross-referencing. Do transactions get recorded anywhere or are they discreet and P2P only?

/u/sesquipedalian rides the donk

1 points

1 week ago

Bisq is on a transparent blockchain. Haveno is not, but it's theoretically possible to find XMR transactions on the blockchain, and, theoretically link it with a timing attack to a fiat transaction (I guess this is what you mean by "cross-referencing"). The transactions themselves are P2P and communications are not recorded. The connection is necessarily over Tor.

/u/abuhajjar 📢 🍼

1 points

1 week ago

I see. Thank you.

theoretically link it with a timing attack to a fiat transaction

How would they know about the fiat transaction if it's P2P? Other than mail surveillance I guess.

/u/sesquipedalian rides the donk

1 points

1 week ago*

Sorry - when i meant fiat, I meant instant money transfers like wire, wetransfer, revolut, zelle, cashapp, .... It would be much harder to track cash by mail. My point was more so that there is just enough tracks to follow to prevent plausible deniability for those kinds of exchanges, as there is proof of the monero tx being related to a haveno trade, which can be time-correlated with one of those traceable money transfer sites. Hope this helps :)

/u/monotonef

1 points

1 week ago

how is it possible to find xmr transactions

/u/sesquipedalian rides the donk

1 points

6 days ago

Chain analysis by sorting things like tx fees and inputs and outputs would enable you to know when a haveno transaction took place. You could then relate it to something that happened on a non-private/anonymous ledger. Functionally it is a non-issue.

/u/monotonef

1 points

17 hours ago

ok so nothing to really worry about 100%?

/u/xmrglobal P

1 points

1 week ago

On XMRGlobal P2P, we only keep trade data for a short time to facilitate the transaction, then it’s securely wiped. There’s nothing permanent left to hand over, your privacy stays intact.