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is running a market always profitable? : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

if they all exit scam get busted arrested etc for the next runner up doesnt that mean its always profitable? though empire is number one darkmarket versus and others are still highly succesful

also someone banned my question on here earlier i think its funny how this place is supposed to be freedom of speech and no authority yet most are scared to say anything outisde of talking about drugs and the word law enforcement scares mosts of them to death. Dreads has became way to centralized and there needs to be a better forum made, one of freedom of speech. Lets see how long this one stays up. I think most people on this site are the equivilant of pick pocketers and nothing more. Not all but a lot.

/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

3 points

4 years ago

First, your question didn't even get removed. It just got caught by automod. If you would of sent us a message, or had been patient one of the mods would of approved it.

Second yes there is rules on each sub. If we didn't have any this place would just be overrun with scammers/phishers, or just be a complete mess. Look at all the people that post fud, or disputes or any of that other shit on empires sub. Now imagine we let everyone post whatever they wanted on here. This sub would be complete chaos and not useful in the slightest bit to anyone.

Getting onto your actual topic post. Your talking about only the top markets. Sure those ones make money. There is literally hundreds of markets that try to get started that don't make any money, or just end up getting hacked and losing the small amount they did make. So yes, if you can manage to break into one of the bigger markets spots you can make some coins, if you can't even make it past 3 months. Which is a lot of these markets, then you probably won't make much if anything.

/u/Layla

2 points

4 years ago

Short answer for his question is "no"

/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

1 points

4 years ago

Exactly, I think a lot of people forget how long it really took for even empire to get where they are now.

/u/Layla

1 points

4 years ago

Not just time, Yellow Brick is older than empire, there are hundreds of other things needed for running a market successfully. Gone are the days, when you could launch one after one eckmar markets and exit-scam with atleast 100K.

/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

2 points

4 years ago

Exactly. That's why I really think one of the most important things is having a good reputation with the community. Buying ads, and putting up pretty banners just isn't going to cut it anymore. There is too many of the same.

/u/Layla

3 points

4 years ago

Bit Bazaar has invested way more than Empire on ads, banners, buying DDoS attacks, and too many other things, yet it didn't last much. There are tons of things needed for becoming top market, some of these are reputation, security, organic growth and an intellectual and affable admin, like /u/WhiteShark

/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

1 points

4 years ago

I agree. I point a lot of new markets to how well deepsea has done. /u/Whiteshark and everyone did a very good job grinding out the first few months, listening to advice, and overall just handling any issues well. I think everything you mentioned led to them having a good reception when they got to do a market announcement, and has led to market growing well.

/u/WhiteShark

1 points

4 years ago

We're trying to do our best. Marketing strategies must be FULL applied when you've a full product, when, like us are still in a staging phase where a lot of things are missing is just trash out money.
When you try to collect users from marketing you must be able to serve all their needs, in our case we miss Monero and Guest purchasing and we still need to implement our search system.
For the rest, we're already doing some nice investment in marketing terms.

/u/somebody_somewhere

1 points

4 years ago

why arent you listening to what im saying though? who said anything about a pretty banner? if you do your ad campaign and you stick by your word and youre legit and not a scam in time you will do fine. only 18 million know computer programming and most would never attemtp this. anyone who can do this right will succeed .

/u/Layla

1 points

4 years ago

You could have coded a best market, but if it won't get listed on reputed link directories, it'll fail. Neptune and Asean market are secure markets, but they have to buy ads and banners for getting attention. White House market is one of the best, and yet the admin spends on ads & banners.

/u/[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

We don't buy many ADs, the one on Dread we have it almost since the day we launched, but I suppose you are aware the bulk of the customers don't spend time on the forums, they come from clearnet, buy their stuff and they are out, they take it to the forums when things go wrong.
That's not to say forums are to be under-estimated though, in fact they are very important when you launch a market because you can learn a lot of things from experienced users and make adjustments as needed, not to mention vendors are always on the forums either active or not.
I don't know about others but we started making profit a few months after we launched, in beta mode which lasted for about 1.5 months we didn't charge any fees and expenses were covered from our pockets. That being said I doubt someone can launch a market and expect profit within days, it doesn't work like that, not nowadays. The only notable exception was Samsara but that's another story.

/u/Layla

1 points

4 years ago

I'm aware you don't buy many ads, even your model was unique but you had to buy ads on secmail.pro and i have seen your links on few Clearnet link directories, one of them is: https://darkweblink.com/; we both know, they aren't cheap. When you launched your market, darknet was struggling, the num 2 markets then were exit scamming one after another and other's were facing heavy DDoS attacks, your market was the only market, which was able to defend and stood strong against those DDoS attacks, was one of the reason, vendors joined WHM, but what has worked for you, can't be generalised and it's not easy for new markets now, buying ads are important. Samsara pre-planned everything and that wasn't their first project.

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0 points

4 years ago

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/u/[deleted]

0 points

4 years ago

Yes, we did ran ads on darkweblink for a short while but the results were less than expected for us, in fact when we stopped the drop in traffic wasn't noticeable and yeah, what works for a market may not work for another. What did start bringing traffic was being listed on ddf / dnl and later the Apollon exit but I'm sure all markets who launched close to the time we did and are still around noticed the similar changes.
Having paid ADs certainly helps but that's not enough.
Have you seen any ADs for us on secmail ? Because I don't remember advertising there ...

/u/Layla

1 points

4 years ago

I'm 100 % confident that Ive seen white house market ads and banner on secmail pro, that's where I came to know about your market, I haven't joined dread at that time. On the other hand, I don't know but darkweblink has more than 100K organic traffic daily, it's working for all markets, maybe it didn't work for you, as the visitors there are clearnet users and most of them run away when they found about compulsory XMR and optional PGP.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

It must have been via an AD network or something because we didn't buy ADs from them directly. About darkweblink I think you are right especially since back then you couldn't even browse listings without adding a PGP key and we were quite young so I guess most new users just moved on, that's precisely why I said it didn't work for us. I'm sure for others their ADs pay off, they are ranked very well and I'm sure their amount of traffic is insane.

/u/Layla

1 points

4 years ago

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1 points

4 years ago

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/u/Layla

1 points

4 years ago

Thanks

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4 years ago

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/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

1 points

4 years ago

oh the trainwreck that was samsara......

/u/[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

If I remember correctly they did have a nice growth, most of it based on Dream reputation ...

/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

1 points

4 years ago

The probably did. Just having that waterchain and riddick made people believe some of it.The amount of vote manipulation, and using alt accounts was also out of control with then.

I'm sure people using the SR name still make money just because of the name it's one of the first ones people from the clearnet know about.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

Well my opinion is if a market tries to cash in based on a prior name reputation should be shitlisted but that's just me. Like your automod often states "Silk Road ended with SR2.0", wise words.

/u/somebody_somewhere

1 points

4 years ago

yeah they spend money because its working. to get it to work it needs good team or one admin who can devote all day. then request to get it listed. do your part and not be a scam and then over time it will succeed. they're spending money because its working.

/u/somebody_somewhere

1 points

4 years ago*

he needs to traffic guns and ammo and add fentanyl and he'll do fine. the programming aspect of it is not hard but most of these markets that launch are more than likely shit. if it has a good ui and to the point it should work. all of the ones that didnt cut it are the ones with shitty backend and bad script. ill also answer your question since shakybeats wont budge. to get it out there you need an add campaign. thats how shit gets around underground. ALSO you gotta realize most people on here are just looking to buy drugs. not be an admin because they're afraid they'd get caught. only a few million people in the world know programming so most of your competition is gone right there. weave out the shitty markets with bad scripts and yoir 90% there. even the ones who do know how to program would never attempt this out of scarce of getting caught. go for it man and learn all you can.

/u/tv_radio 📢

1 points

4 years ago

thanks for the answer bud. as for sam whiskey if all hes got is to sit at a computer all day...he aint got much going for him lol. and the your mom joke was so 7th grade. yeah some rules sure i agree. but some people (not saying you) sometimes abuse it. so let me ask you this bud, what is it that makes it past the 3 month mark? ad campaign more money for ads, what is it? Thanks and no hate towards you

/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

2 points

4 years ago

No problem

A lot of these markets don't want to put the grind in. Ads can help, but if you don't put the time in to show you actually care about the community by participating, and helping others people are not going to trust you as much. Look at the top markets right now. Almost all of their admins or staff are pretty active and help with various outside projects, or just offer their opinions to help. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them comment on this post. Most of them don't have very many ads some have never even done any ads.

The 3 month mark usually is when a lot of new markets call it quits. They are not bringing in as much money as they want or were expecting. This is also when some people will start to notice them so if any vulnerability was missed, this is usually when someone will find it. Some smaller markets also don't want to see new markets coming in, because this is who they are competing with, this is when some will start spreading fud, or even ddos attacks.

Really this is all why having a good reputation is so important. Why would anyone pick your new market if they have no idea who you are?

/u/Reichan66

1 points

4 years ago

im with ya man. dreads sucks now, its way to centralized as you say. Dark web is supposed to be no rules. Wont be much longer til this place will be more centralized than facebook lmfao.

/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

1 points

4 years ago

Edited for rule 2 violations hahahahahahahaha

Yeah, you a dum dum. Free speach, censorship, better forum, we get it. Dread sucks, we suck, everything sucks.

/u/tv_radio 📢

2 points

4 years ago

youre the one on a darkweb forum 24/7 who has no life selecting which question to ban. sounds like you a "dumb dumb" and look, even spelled it correctly unlike you ;)

/u/[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

i 2nd that. everything does, indeed, suck

/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

2 points

4 years ago

Even OP"s mom?

/u/[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

well... i wasn't gonna mention it but... last night was pretty nice

/u/mushmedic

1 points

4 years ago

It would be like any business, depends on the skill and experience of the team, quality and security of their product

/u/Daeva

1 points

4 years ago

Go in this business with the expectation it's going to cost you money it may take months to break even.

/u/bdog21

1 points

4 years ago

ive had the same thing happen with my posts about my opinions being deleted. kind of bullshit if they can just filter out any comments or posts that dont fit along with their way of thinking or that somewhat makes them look bad

/u/somebody_somewhere

0 points

4 years ago

dude if you want to make a profitable market its easy. all you have to do is make your own scrpt not some empire crap. do a solid backend and add fentanyl and guns and ammo to it. most markets will never do it. make it easy and user friendly. be consistent with ads for about 8 months or so and prove our legitmacey and people will come to you. all of these people that run markets are just like the rest of us. if you keep running ads people will show up. someone will bite and just keep with the consistencey of it. but if its another scam half ass deal you can expect to make a few thousand then word will get aorund and youre gone if youre lucky. if youre legit and prove your services it will show in time. Youll need to do ads across various platofrms for people to find you since thats the only way stuff gets around here. Strong server which can handle ddos attacks and be good to your people and you'll do fine and make good bank. THese other markets /u/shakybeats was talking about id love to see them. id say they were crap from the beginning and wetent high quality like versus or apollon so that probably had something to do with it.

/u/Shakybeats M Modinator

2 points

4 years ago

Some were awful, you could instantly look at them and know the admin had no idea what the fuck they were doing. Others actually looked good, but the admins just didn't want to take the time to grind out recruiting vendors, or building the markets rep. First small problem that would pop up they would just be gone. It's a grind and a lot of people forget that.