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Love Letter from top rated #4 vendor...was i the only one? : Opiates | Torhoo darknet markets

I recently made an order from a TOP rated H vendor and got a USPS Love Letter rather than my order. The pack went way across the country and then back the other way again. As soon as it landed in my local area it was marked as "Mailability Determination" and 6 days later my letter landed rather than my gear. I wont name them in 'public', but they are in the top 5 of vendors rn.

Was i the only lucky duck? Please be careful if you have ordered H recently.
My addy is now burnt and Im stuck being unable to order over a VERY small pack, which is lucky BC i typically order MUCH more.

Im not sure if it is due to the vendor being sloppy or the vendor being tracked or what, but it seems the tracking started almost immediately. I order all kinds of stuff (illegal and not) and everything has always reached me save for this recent order.

Not here to name and shame, ****** I hope they are ok and that anyone that has ordered is OK. Just be safe. Ive done LOTS of business with them and its a shame that this happened. They are usually a bit slow, but usually safe. this was my experience only and i am not flaming them or trying to ruin their income. Just saying what happened. They still have the best gear out now that MC is in the wind.

Be safe folks!

(after many requests i will say it was ElBandito unfortunately)
/u/baifen
2 points
1 year ago
Sounds scammy to me, should never happen domestic unless there is major opsec failure. And by you not naming them doesn't help anyone.
/u/motleycruise In Memoriam
4 points
1 year ago
I always think scam but it ID said "mailability determination", that's no scam.

I also agree that not naming them helps nobody
/u/JennyAmerica 📢
3 points
1 year ago*
I would have named them but i didnt want to risk retaliation even though the vendor has always been very nice, extremely nice in fact..... it sucks bc they are the ONLY good nonfent vendor and ive spent TONS of money with them and now my address is burnt. I use it for pain and now im fucked...... but safety of us buyers is paramount.....So i will name them. unfortunately it was Elbandito
/u/paletto10
2 points
1 year ago*
I have a feeling I know what happened.
My last pack was torn because of the decoy and the decoy was slightly visible.
The decoy did not have anything sealing it, like tape.
I was very lucky the pack did not break open all the way otherwise it would have been very obvious what was inside.
There was not enough care put into hiding the product properly. That is the problem.
I got very lucky

Edit
The decoy was to easy to open, if it were to fall out of the pack it would have bust open.
I tried my best to not reveal too much. I will delete if needed.
/u/WillOmni
1 points
1 year ago
I can get the gist of what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure I could really begin to accurately guess what the specific decoy was.

Besides, I'm sure some decoys are kind of common from one vendor to another.

I'd list some "such as" but I don't want to give Uncle Leo any funny ideas.

... not that they haven't seen way more of that stuff than I ever have. lol

Anyway if OP's mail was actually undeliverable for some reason and it got returned to sender, that could theoretically lead to a pack getting opened by a stranger, if the sender used a fake address...

And THAT can lead to LEO / seizure...

But I'm sure bad packaging / stealth / decoys / barriers are common enough reasons too.
/u/darkdoobswoobs
1 points
1 year ago
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/u/paletto10
1 points
1 year ago
That means he never shipped it
/u/GARBAGE
1 points
1 year ago
it does happen. it happened to me from a vendor that had free samples for weed with one of those samples. as soon as it hit first post office it was determined not to mail. at first i thought it was a vendor scam until i got informed delivery shortly after and it was in there saved unlike the other packs because of its state. i had to maually remove that one
/u/[deleted]
2 points
1 year ago
You should definetly name them why on earth would you not it helps litterally every single person, its the sellers fault if they fucked up

It didn't arrive at your house thats on the seller, since it looks like you know how to order properly its totally their fault and would be great to let other people know the full story to keep the rest of us safe

(edit: just finished reading lol and you didnt name them but you shouldnt feel bad for it its not snitching here its helping this shit aint prison or being in the game, if oyur a user your not in the game if thats why you didnt want to name)
/u/epicurus3000
2 points
1 year ago*
Thank you for sharing this. I put in an order this last weekend and It still had not been processed. After reading this post I went ahead and cancelled my order. It's unfortunate because my prior orders were super smooth! It looks like I'll probably just have to order some Kratom and ween off. I'm fortunate that I haven't developed much of a tolerance.
/u/candykid420
2 points
1 year ago
you all remember what happened with the dream store how LE infiltrated that shit im scared the same is happening with bohemia
/u/tobar
2 points
1 year ago*
JennyAmerica has been around a long time and If says her pack got seized, i believe her. You can see it in her FB on Bandito's site too. She's NOT lying. Bandito's stealth is actually pretty good for domestic and the pack must have been horribly damaged in transit for anything to be exposed. I've gotten some packs that looked literally run over but knowing Bandito's packs it must have been really bashed apart.
I've always thought that typically vendors send ALL packs the same way, an easy to identify way. I liked MC's method of sending which was not the norm and a few other (just a few) switched up their packaging too. I like to see ALL vendors change their packaging regularly to protect them and us. Unless Bandito completely switches up his packaging that's it for him. Could be that's it for him anyway.
/u/paletto10
1 points
1 year ago
Was this a domestic vendor?
/u/JennyAmerica 📢
1 points
1 year ago
Yes it was domestic
/u/ActionCaptainJack
1 points
1 year ago
We need to know who! By not telling us you put us all at risk. What happens when I order next and get a CD because nobody warned me?

Please, let us know. It's not putting them on blast, it's simply stating hey, be warned. This vendor is now potentially a hot target and risky.
/u/JennyAmerica 📢
1 points
1 year ago
I added it to the original post. Vendor was ElBandito
/u/ActionCaptainJack
1 points
1 year ago
Oh shit.

Good you said something cause I JUST got a pack from them before you posted this
They actually sent you a love letter on a domestic pack? Didn't know they did this. Your address is burned, you lost some money and you didn't get your drugs, but the cup is half full, at least the cops didn't come a knockin' and you still have your freedom. Surely the feds have ordered from all the domestic vendors multiple times to build profiles on them all. Using usps priority is a great way to protect yourself as a vendor from scammy buyers, packages getting delivered faster resulting in happier customers, faster retrieval of escrow profits, free boxes/envelopes, but the trade off for these conveniences puts a chink in the armor of a vendors OpSec that is giving LE a great tool to profile packages. Add that in with lazy vendors that don't switch up return addresses, business names, mailing locations, cities and states(the list goes on and on), leads to posts like this being created and eventually a post informing on said vendor being arrested.
/u/JennyAmerica 📢
2 points
1 year ago
Yep domestic order and got LL. And yes i feel VERY fortunate all things considered.
/u/baberuthhitter
1 points
1 year ago
Good on you for handling this so well. Keeping it very classy. I hope you can figure things out and get another addy to receive.
/u/phatbagz P
1 points
1 year ago*
Damn, this sucks to hear from all sides. Sorry that happened to you. Bandito needs to get his shit together for everyone's sake. That's a bummer. I hope you're able to work out an alternate solution to get your pain relief needs taken care of. What a nightmare.

I'm curious whether you've reached out to bandito and let them know? They've been inactive on dread for so long. I'd love to know what they have to say regarding this. You definitely should dispute the order on whichever market you placed it.

On the other hand, like someone else mentioned... it coulda been much worse for you. So there's that at least. Stay safe and thanks for letting us all know. Big ups for that.
/u/swplug Vendor
1 points
1 year ago
This is the reason we are taking extra precautions they have really stepped up there game not many of us left
/u/DeathStranding
1 points
1 year ago
All signs pointing to him getting busted

/u/motleycruise what do you think? you gonna do an investigation on this?
/u/motleycruise In Memoriam
1 points
1 year ago
It isn't looking good. Does anyone know the markets he is on? I'd like to see when he last logged in to them.
/u/motleycruise In Memoriam
1 points
1 year ago
Bohemia says his last login was yesterday. He may not have been busted but if some received a love letter, I am sure they are looking in to it and building a profile on him.

Worst case scenario would be that he did get busted and gave his login info to LE and they are accessing his account.
/u/newbieforever2018 P
1 points
1 year ago
I can't name names because I honestly forgot but there was a topic posted which linked to an article about a vendor getting bail and five days AFTER the article the vendor was still logging in to his market which would imply either the vendor is dumber than dumb or he gave up his login info to LE.
/u/ZillaKami138
1 points
1 year ago
Gotta' pay the bail bondsman and lawyer somehow...
/u/newbieforever2018 P
1 points
1 year ago
Trouble is deciding if the vendor is trying to continue operations or LE took over to harvest names.
/u/misterdegeneratetoyou
1 points
1 year ago
he has been logging onto bohemia every 1-2 days
/u/fugelove357
1 points
1 year ago
Damn that's crazy, a LL for a gram. Sounds really fishy, they might have been on game for him for awhile. I never got an order through with the guy, always took way to long to accept, let alone ship. No comms at all.
/u/newbieforever2018 P
1 points
1 year ago
It is far from crazy. You would be shocked how easily one can get a love letter. Going to have to trust me on that one.
/u/misterdegeneratetoyou
1 points
1 year ago
this needs way more attention
/u/tobar
1 points
1 year ago
Ever time I've gotten a pack from Bandito it's come in the typical stealth that they've been using for a long time (Which I'm NOT happy about-ALL vendors should switch up the packaging) but I've seen reports recently of practically NO Stealth and even NO vacuum seal. That's really concerns me and I wonder what's going on there when they suddenly switch their stealth from what I'd call good stealth for domestic to apparently NO stealth. Something screwy is going on there, screwy enough to keep me FAR Away.
/u/dreadhausg
1 points
1 year ago
SO UM, IS BANDITO WHICH WAS THE TOP DOMESTIC #4 DEALER ON A MAJOR MARKET (what compared to monsanto, swp, wal1greeens[maybe..?], cyrptococky?)

GONE? Yeah I wish his stealth included vacuum and mylar, decoy and stealth insertion, but at the least he did priority with SOME STEALTH.

What worries me is I never saw enough variety in drop origins....
/u/thouxanban4200
1 points
1 year ago
Ima chime in because thats what I do since I forgot my old account and have been using this one lol. Imo, any Domestic deliveries seizures/ID are 100% on the vendor.

The two most likely scenario to have happened is 1, the vendor was already hot for whatever reason, and they have been watching and monitoring him for sometime, gathering evidence. Once you someone has been caught, they usually will continue to gather more and more information to build a stronger and stronger case while letting them operate as usual until they decide to make their move.

The other option is just plain horrid stealth on that pack. This is why when it comes to domestic, the most important thing for shipping is a visual barrier. In an extreme example lets say you have a box with a shit load of pills in it, but somehow it busts open clearly revealing what it inside, you do not want them to see anything but more packaging, that you cannot see through.

Put you pack in a vacuum seal, put that in as many layers as you feel comfortable with and it will be repackaged and shipped out all the same almost every time. no decoy needed though any form of opsec will benefit both parties. I have been happy with every pack I have gotten because instead of the original envelope there is already a secondary/third layer sometimes/usually with a mylar bag, so even if the outside package was destroyed, they wouldn't be able to tell what it was without violating constitutional rights, EVERY VENDOR SHOULD TAKE THESE PRECAUTIONS ITS NOT HARD.

As far as a burt address goes, you can always test it with a small order, give it some time, see if ti goes through and thoroughly analyze the package before opening it, and I wouldnt even open it immediately i would wait a few days, in hope of having some plausible deniability. remember it only takes a tiny incision in order for the feds to peak inside the ourder barrier to see if there is anything incriminating in plain view inside of the pack.

Never respond to a 'fail to deliver' request to have you pick up said pack at the post office, countless stories of people getting busted that way. Your best bet would be to get 3 drops or so you can trust and have them addressed to the resident there because in that case there is really nothing they can do.

I think you had the right idea from the start and it was either vendor being tracked or sloppy ship either way it sounds like sloppy practice on the vendor but im not here to sham, i dont know both sides im just reading a post after all. But from what I understand domestic issues are very rare, and almost always due to the vendor previously already under surveillance and/or extremely sloppy shipping practices.

Always name the person like you have even though you were unsure because it will either be corrected if it is wrong, or the entire community including the vendor may learn something beneficial out of this and others who have place orders with this vendor may also need to check their address isnt going through extra scrutiny,. Thanks for the post I always enjoy reads like these as they are always pretty interesting threads to read.
You can also order things that are not illegal on the markets to see if they show up. That's about as good of a test case as you can get.