Mullvad doubts vs Proton : DarknetMarketsNoobs | Torhoo darknet markets Torhoo!

2 points

1 month ago

having used them both, they are both excellent. Proton might be better for servers / port forwarding, while mullvad is very good when it comes to anonymity.

/u/notverysure

1 points

1 month ago

The main reason may be that mullvad accepts both XMR and mail in cash payment for their service. You will not need to provide any personal information at all while signing up, not even e-mail.
As an added bonus mullvad doesn't try to up sell you anything, a flat monthly rate tied to an account number.
Proton on the other hand is much more flashy and the app is filled with different features but at twice the price and not the same anonymity.
Regarding safety, proton has already caved to french authorities and provided data to them.

/u/brosystem 📢

1 points

1 month ago

Sweden is part of the '' Fourteen Eyes Countries '', it is paradoxical to think that Mullvad is safe. Switzerland, on the other hand, is not part of the '' Fouteen Eyes Countries ''. How does Mullvad become part of this agreement and at the same time guarantee privacy and anonymity to its users?

/u/user8293089

1 points

1 month ago*

You will not need to provide any personal information at all while signing up, not even e-mail.

You are still providing your ip every time you connect to their service.
It's better than proton, which openly cooperates with law enforcement, but you still have to trust that Mullvad won't log your requests.
The only situation where anonymous signup is useful is when using a tor > vpn setup, but residential proxies would be more applicable in that case.

/u/notverysure

1 points

1 month ago

Yes, and that IP doesn't need to have your personal information tied to it. But you are correct, you still need to trust Mullvad. But compared to proton, it would appear more trustworthy.

/u/majorpayne2

1 points

1 month ago

no clue where you got the idea that mullvad is the solution to everything. they're not, you never rely on one technology alone, especially not a single company. Protonmail is not safe, and i doubt that any of their services are. do some research, and you'll find multiple occurences of proton giving up information about activists using their service. sure it's in switzerland, means nothing if they willingly cooperate.

mullvad, as far as the public is concerned, is yet to reveal any information willingly. although we can't confirm this, they work closely with the tor project. i trust mullvad much more than proton, but i don't trust them to be my entire defence, nor should you.

do not think a vpn is enough to protect your opsec. the holy trinity is tor, vpn and PGP. however, opsec extends far beyond that.

/u/brosystem 📢

1 points

1 month ago

From some videos and forums of the surface web it is said that it is not safe to use a VPN together with Tor because it could compromise the anonymity and the encryption that Tor provides us

Can you give me more information about it? What is the best method to have a high anonymity on the Darkweb? Using tails from your home WiFi connection can be enough? What do you recommend?

/u/user8293089

1 points

1 month ago

I have never seen a good argument for why it is dangerous to use tor with a vpn - people just regurgitate what they hear online without thinking.
All using a vpn does is shift the burden of trust from your ISP to the vpn provider. In most cases, this is beneficial, since ISP's are known to log requests, while vpn's supposedly don't.
However, unless you are running a service, it is unnecessary to use anything other than tor on your home connection.

/u/majorpayne2

1 points

1 month ago

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/u/majorpayne2

1 points

1 month ago

not sure if my reply got posted due to automod, had to change this link:
truth be told, i pair tor with mullvad, vpn on host and whonix guest. my threat level isn't particularly high, only reaching up to specific local authorities and ressearchers. i use pgp for anything sensitive. i employ basic principles such as not giving out any personal info. read d/opsec, specifically the buyer's bible. i would also recommend reading this: /post/cdd2b46e861a4e175a3d . it is the Nihilsm opsec blog link, and it has a lot of valuable tips too.

you should realistically be safe with whonix / tails. if you want to withhold info from your isp, i'd say use mullvad, but that's not strictly necessary.

/u/Fugazi

1 points

1 month ago

Proton collaborates with LE.

/u/BufordFMoody

1 points

1 month ago

as far as I know it's due to mullvad being better in certain aspects for example their purchase methods. people can go out of their way to buy it with cash, or xmr.
about the logging part, mullvad was raided by police. as a quote from trechradar:

"Mullvad reported that six police officers from the National Operations Department (NOA) of the Swedish Police visited its Gothenburg's office with a search warrant. The intent was to seize computers containing customers' personal information, but officers left with nothing as no user details had been stored."

In general I think mullvad is better solely due to the only login it needs is a code rather than an email address with proton. take a look at protons transparency reports aswell.

/u/cilantr0

1 points

1 month ago

Proton has a story of releasing information when requested by LE, not only from Switzerland, but also from other countries, they even have a page about it: proton.me/legal/law-enforcement . The spanish fascist regime was able to detain a pro-independent catalan activist just by asking Proton for the guys' data: cointelegraph.com/news/proton-mail-exposing-activist-showed-limits-encryption

Mullvad, in the other hand, allows you to use their software without an email, KYC or any identification, you can just pay them with Monero anonymously, and when confronted with LE, they have clearly shown in the past the do not log their clients' information whatsoever.

/u/brosystem 📢

1 points

1 month ago

Sweden is part of the '' Fourteen Eyes Countries '', it is paradoxical to think that Mullvad is safe. Switzerland, on the other hand, is not part of the '' Fouteen Eyes Countries ''. How does Mullvad become part of this agreement and at the same time guarantee privacy and anonymity to its users?

/u/diksha 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

You exposed your retardation for being a radicalist lefty, saying that a police officer that was part of an radicalist pro-indipendence party, threatening the king of Spain, was arrested by "The spanish fascist regime".
WTF fascist regime do you call to the socialist spain party, that is clearly a lefty (inclusive already considered ultra-lefty due to its alliances)...

That men was caught because he set an fucking apple recovery email in his account. It was the only thing proton could give to police.

Mulvand on the other hand is a VPN service, not email, "focused in privacy", located in a country that belong to the authoritarian european union. If any of you think you're going to be save there, you are too wrong.

Do you want to be anonymous? Build your own proxy chain or VPS auto-hosted; without logs and in totally private servers. Build your own email service, and don't expose personal information.

But don't intend to be anonymous, broke the law, and don't be caught using services of the clean web that have public companies behind them, and of course, all of them are going to collaborate with the justice, more or less, but will give information about you.

/u/TeachUHow2Trap

1 points

1 month ago

Mullvad is goated.

/u/BaldwinSupp

1 points

1 month ago

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1 points

1 month ago

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/u/NemoFish

1 points

1 month ago

mullvad is far more trustworthy than proton

/u/HugeMaryJane

1 points

1 month ago

Switzerland is not safer, Proton has a World Economic Forum member in the team so I would never trust it. Proton is honeypot.
And the law here may change soon, check the news about potential new surveillance law in Switzerland.

/u/rmrf P

1 points

1 month ago

Both have been targeted by law enforcement. Mullvad was targeted by the swedish authorities and when they had their offices raided, the prosecutors supposedly left because there was no relevant data to seize. Protonmail has willingly complied with law enforcement due to court orders.

The different is really important here. To use Mullvad you just need to generate an account number, pay in your crypto (XMR hopefully), and you are set.

ProtonVPN requires a protonmail account, and to pay in crypto you have to specifically purchase "credits" that you then can apply to a plan. I haven't used protonmail in a long time but I remember them only accepting Bitcoin which also reduces privacy. Now you have a very specific account tied to you and your activity.

Mullvad also has DAITA, multihop, ram-only servers, transparency on server ownership.

You are right about one thing, if you put all your eggs in one basket you are at a big risk. Research yourself, apply additional measures to protect yourself, do not think that Mullvad will save you from the feds. But when looking for VPN's see who is the most transparent and doesn't avoid criticism or questions.

/u/gexpress

1 points

1 month ago

Switzerland is potentially changing their laws to enforce more record keeping and other practices, I remember seeing it in the news about a month ago and people were talking about the potential of proton moving out of Switzerland, but it's silly to pretend Switzerland is or has even been a remaining safe haven for data any more than it is for finances.

/u/BangkokNutte

1 points

1 month ago

Proton is bullshit, they log ip adresses and other data from their users. Just use mullvad or perfect privacy

/u/TotoismyMoto 🍼

1 points

1 week ago*

I'm relatively new to all of this, and most of what I know is self-taught—like it probably is for many of you. But seriously, where is everyone getting their information from?

Proton officially adheres to a strict no-log policy and explicitly states they won’t cooperate with law enforcement outside of Switzerland unless there’s a valid Swiss court order. For international requests, law enforcement would need to go through Mutual Legal Assistance (MLA) channels—which isn’t something they'd bother with unless you’re a high-value target.

Even in a worst-case scenario where all legal steps were taken, Proton would likely respond with something like: “We’re sorry, but due to our strict no-log policy, we are unable to provide any data—even if we wanted to."