New onboarding. Fent banned. : newmarkets | Torhoo darknet markets
You can choose you currency, langauge, auto-address, PGP, 2FA and do mnemonic confirmation all in the registration onboarding now. Hopefully by next week we will have it so you can also sign up as a vendor in this flow and we handle the rest in a semi-automated fashion. Thank you Catharsis for the awesome idea.
Listing translations hit a snag in production so we rolled that part back for now while we ensure its stability.
Other changes include translation key updates, a PGP guide, new withdrawal fraud prevention (we still do not add extra fees but instead have heuristics to help prevent exhaustion).
We know this week has been shit for so many. Please be safe. A legend has fallen and we are all poorer in spirit because of it.
The bust and new rules sparked an internal debate among us about fent. Some see prohibition as harmful. Others see the sale of fentanyl as harmful. They are not mutually exclusive so we think it is better to part ways. Please do not list it.
Much love everyone.
It is an incredibly hard problem. I echo the sentiment that what good does a ban do if half the pressies use some derivative of a banned substance. And vetting everything becomes increasingly hard. We have gone back and forth on this a lot so as we grow slowly we will look for ways to help solve both problems at once. Any suggestions help.
I will say, vendors will resort to pressing it in everything again. Cocaine, Xanax, fake prescription pills, herion, i mean you name it
Fent is a highly lucrative source of income for drug cartels. One that doesnt require acres of land to procure. It's a drug that is now here to stay in large part because of prohibition. That said, LE considers Fent synonymous with H today, so a market that bans the sale of Fent but continues to allow the sale of H, is not doing itself any favors getting off LE's radar.
Banning fent sounds good in theory, yes but in practice, no.
Personally I think LEA is coming for us all with or without fent/zines. Bigger the better in their eyes. Our main goal with the banning is to give us an opportunity to look at other options. Plus engineered opioids can easily end up hurting innocents. Not just users but kids and such. We are small and nascent so it seems like the right time to do this while we can vet people easily. But you are not wrong. It is just a really hard nut to crack.
At scale, you will always have vendors skirting the rules. And it is incredibly unsafe to have all these analogues sold under designer names. If you have any suggestions at all we are open ears. Because just a fent ban will not really work in the end. We need something more comprehensive. What that is we are trying hard to figure out. Cheers.
China white was the street name for #4 Heroin, as you said the purest (or one of the purest) H known which is usually manufactured in South-East Asia. To bypass the fent regulations on markets vendors have been selling fentanyl under China white- which means that the people that confuse this with #4 (what it's supposed to be) are likely to OD. But if you get rid of the term China white they will likely rebrand it as synthetic #4 or synthetic H, and if that gets banned then they will just hide in the normal listings so you literally wont know the difference between a H or Fetty listing.
The problem (imo) isn't fentanyl being sold at all, if anything I think that's sparing a few people at the moment because the Fent vendors aren't hiding under H and prezzie listings so opioid users arent getting confused about their purchase or being misled. The two major issues that both DN and street markets are experiencing rn are -cross contamination through manufacturers using the same equipment to weigh and store fent, with other drugs including stimulants -and cutting which is more likely to happen in other depressants especially H and prezzies,
The review system helps the DN with those two issues which is why it's safer to buy on DN then the street- theres a degree of accountabilty for the vendors on DN and easier accessed credibility, I actually don't think there's a way around them completely though unless yall start manufacturing the drugs yourselves and ensure there's no cutting or cross contamination.
I'm sorry if this message is gonna come across as condescending or whatever, yall are admins of drug markets like you know way more about this shit than I do, I just have genuine concerns that this fetty restriction will actually only cause harm. Cause not only will people die taking almost any drug classes contaminated by F, N or Tranq, or people die from depressants cut with F,N or T for cheaper added potency, but now people are going to straight up die because they are going to buy fent thinking its Oxy or H because the vendors are trying to discreetly sell it and buyers aren't aware.
Unfortunately some vendors will still sell F under other opioid listings regardless because they are straight up cunts and are greedy - F is cheaper to manufacture than H and a majority of opioids, like the equivalent of selling a bag of tea leaves as weed but the opioid version -.-, honestly those greedy cunts will exist in any market no matter what, the review system will hopefully weed them out.
I could make a filter to catch all listings with the keyword but of course you are right, people would just move on to using different slang. I think to solve the root cause you need to address both the user safety issue while also providing some sort of guardrails to ensure no one else gets hurt. Which is a fine line with something so strong.
Open to ideas. Gravitating toward some containment area but not totally sure yet. For now, we will let this ride, but the book is not closed if we can find better solutions. I do not want this to be something we just sweep under the rug.