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newmarkets is KILLING this industry and I TELL YOU WHY : newmarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

Okay, we need to have a serious talk about this. I've been keeping an eye on https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmJtVjNiV0Z5YTJWMGN3PT0=# for years, and I've seen the same cycle repeat itself time and time again. New, poorly designed scripted marketplaces keep popping up, only to vanish a few months later. These marketplaces are clearly thrown together with minimal effort, and their "design" is often laughable at best. The admins at https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmJtVjNiV0Z5YTJWMGN3PT0=# are obviously in cahoots with these operations because they keep approving these subpar sites.

Vendors are getting fed up with having to maintain multiple vendor accounts across these marketplaces. Not only is it a hassle, but these platforms are incredibly difficult to use. Vendors are forced to juggle 8-10 of these marketplaces just to keep their businesses running. The security of these marketplaces is also a major concern. If one of these 8-10 marketplaces gets compromised, it can bring down the entire operation.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to launch a new, high-quality marketplace these days because of this mess. We're essentially creating our own problems by tolerating and promoting these low-effort, low-quality platforms. It doesn't have to be this hard to attract and retain vendors. The community and vendors need to come together and avoid these shitty marketplaces.

These subpar marketplaces are slowly killing the industry. I've been watching it happen for years, and it's a frustrating shitshow. We're all just puppets in this game, and it's high time we took a stand and demanded better. We need to support marketplaces that prioritize !TRANSPARENT! security, user experience, and long-term sustainability. Let's make a change and save this industry from itself.
There's multiple new markets that are on Pitch that have not even gotten over here yet. I try to keep chatnoir in the loop about these. One looks pretty decent, the other looks like a suicidal mess.

I'm pretty confident the admins aren't in cahoots with these honestly though. I just think the standards have been too low or not rigorously checked.
Pentesting is not cheap, requires skills, and is time consuming.

In your utopia world, what do you suggest change?
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
1 points
3 months ago
I believe the new rules are a great starting point for technical requirements, but this thread requires significant work in terms of moderation. I understand that reviewing and pentesting these markets is a lot of work, but I've seen many markets get approved and start making money here, even though they've only made a default Pax Romana market script somewhat secure.

We need to better support markets that make genuine efforts towards security and design. This thread needs more pentesters, which are unfortunately hard to find. Additionally, design reviews are necessary because the UI/UX on the darknet are ridiculously poor, and some markets only make minor changes to not look like the default marketplace script. This should not be enough effort to start a market here. This thread needs to be much stricter, or it won't have any meaningful impact.

In my utopia world, we should make efforts to allow vendors to migrate easily between markets. It's an immense amount of work for a vendor to relist all their listings and descriptions on a new market. For some vendors, setting up a new account on a market can take days or even weeks, and they might do all this work for nothing.
/u/lilbooty
1 points
3 months ago
standardized csv imports for vendors would make there life easier
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
1 points
3 months ago
Yes, something like this could be feasible! I believe the darknet needs to evolve with new ideas and standards. It seems like it hasn't changed much in the past decade. Technology advances rapidly these days, but darknet markets appear to be stagnant, with more and more of them emerging. This can be quite confusing for both users and vendors. I see at least three new threads daily asking which market is legitimate or recommended
/u/BlackCell P BlackOps Admin
2 points
3 months ago*
We're still in newmarkets and not in superlist (yet) however we have nothing to do with the mods here, nor do we correlate in any way with these so called 'poorly made' markets you talk about.
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
0 points
3 months ago
/u/BlackCell This should be important to you because these marketplaces are taking customers away from your business too
/u/BlackCell P BlackOps Admin
1 points
3 months ago
I get that but there's nothing we can do about it. It's a free world and with prefab scripts anyone can "launch" a market. This is really up to the mods to control and maintain. Much like /u/samwhiskey, /u/dontlaugh and /u/tonypackets do very strictly (and correctly so), in /d/marketannouncements.

A good start /u/chatnoir has made is set the same standards so new markets are understanding the requirements from the get go.
/u/adruguser Superlist Inventor
1 points
3 months ago
they were always the same, someone just started complaining loudly. only thing that changed was access to the links to the markets so, hope whoever complained enjoyed that lol
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
-1 points
3 months ago
I understand your perspective, but why support them in this? While it's a free world, there should be quality control over who can post and who can't. These rules should be extended beyond just technical requirements. Additionally, moderators should be online at least once a day to monitor what's actually going on.
None of the 3 moderators commented and this post is 5-6 hours in which is crazy. /u/chatnoir wasn't online a week ago.
/u/BlackCell P BlackOps Admin
1 points
3 months ago*
So /u/chatnoir posted 48H ago..

I am not saying i (don't) support them, i am saying it's not my responsibility. However i would like to see less prescripted markets. And more stuff that's made by the team running it.
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
1 points
3 months ago
/u/BlackCell Sorry, my bad. But this makes everything a lot more interesting..
I'm busy with personal problems. I made the new market standards - FOR A REASON. /u/restless0 did you even bother reading them?
/u/BlackCell P BlackOps Admin
1 points
3 months ago
Exactly. The standards need to remain in place because in the end i do believe it makes it easier for everyone.
/u/adruguser Superlist Inventor
1 points
3 months ago
i bet your throat feels amazing
/u/greenpirate Moderator
1 points
3 months ago
i am everyday online 7 days a week since the start of newmarkets.
The rules are not just technical. What's your point?
/u/trippymane
1 points
3 months ago
those bitch made pimply faced mods that run all those forums are annoying to deal with. same bitch made drama queens in every forum, up in all he posts.. you know the usuals.. newbieforever and that bitch ttz, who run rough shot over every market forum. market admins should fire those idiots. They keep interaction down, delete useful posts, and just generally act like bitches -they promote the bullshit because its' a gatekeeping job security.
This is kind of true in some parts, but recent changes to https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmJtVjNiV0Z5YTJWMGN3PT0=# could be revolutionary and the awareness is raising day by day in the vendors community and no one is fucking stupid except new vendors who chooses new script based marketplaces which offers so called free waiver just to invite scammers and scam new beginner audience, I think admins and /u/chatnoir is doing their job perfectly, there is a lot of shit in this sub dread previously which needs to be clean. We should give this sub dread some time to get on the track again. Nothing can be change in days or few weeks and just in case you are not aware there are multiple users sitting here to fuck new shitty markets /u/enzyme, /u/euphoriamarket, /u/demonic ETC. So I would say changes are coming in future but it will take some time.
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
1 points
3 months ago*
I believe the team is too small to handle this significant change effectively. I reached out to /u/chatnoir and /u/demonic more than a week ago but have not received any response.

/u/MrBacon420, you mentioned Pitch; they are also needed to form a market penetration testing/reviewing team. There are many questionable markets emerging, and we need to address this issue.

Additionally, /d/TorDotWatch needs to address the listing of Anubis Market and Kerberos, or whatever marketplace it is. The level of unprofessionalism displayed is unacceptable, and no excuse, regardless of how high, justifies it.
Totally agree. Team needs to expand to handle things much faster and responsibly.
/u/quark P Omega market admin
1 points
3 months ago
Yes, I mostly agree with you especially on the vendor's perspective. I’ve been in contact with a lot of top vendors, and many of them like my marketplace. However, they mentioned that they’re already involved in too many markets, which has become overwhelming for them. They only stay active on the top-performing platforms. So even if they open a store with us, it’s pointless if they’re not logging in regularly.

They said they won’t engage with new markets until a few of the current top ones fade out. Because of that, I’ve decided to keep improving my marketplace, continue inviting new vendors, and wait for the right time to bring in the top vendors. It’s really a lot of work, man.
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
1 points
3 months ago
/u/quark, your market is one of those that inspired this post. You're posting here in https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmJtVjNiV0Z5YTJWMGN3PT0=# about something sleek and simple in design, but are you blind, high, or just misinformed? Have you ever actually seen great design? Look back at how Incognito Market looked. Does your market even come close? Because if you think it does, let me correct you—it doesn't. Also, the procedure of getting in and making a profile almost ruined me. And when I finally got in, I got the feeling that "I went through all this effort and waited through the slow loading times for this?"

I'm pretty sure no one likes the idea of maintaining a vendor profile on your marketplace.
/u/quark P Omega market admin
1 points
3 months ago
Lmfao then why can’t you code a better market? Mine’s one of the easiest to use and has one of the best designs out there.

We’re talking about active markets not some dead-ass ones.

POV: Find something useful to do and stop posting bullshit. This is https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmJtVjNiV0Z5YTJWMGN3PT0=# if you don’t like it, then get the fuck off!
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
1 points
3 months ago
Haha, it wasn't me; I am a system engineer, but my partner /u/underd0g, actually coded a lot better market than yours. I don't want to engage in self-promotion because that isn't the reason I posted this. "Mine’s one of the easiest to use and has one of the best designs out there." Really? Even you should know that this is a lie.
Anyway, is this how a "well-respected darknet market admin," a "businessman," talks in public? This is what I'm talking about. I don't think this behavior and your low-quality job will attract vendors.
/u/quark P Omega market admin
1 points
3 months ago
Lol ain't you the person who announced MARBELLA Market.
/post/0a6fa6f3f078a0face0b/ /post/0a6fa6f3f078a0face0b/#c-9f99efa014e8c69329
/u/restless0 📢 Marbella Admin
1 points
3 months ago
No shit, Sherlock!
/u/adruguser Superlist Inventor
1 points
3 months ago
guys a knob just dont evenn engage haha all the super list markets started right here, the waters sort it out along the way
I think before criticizing /u/quark market you should take a deep dive in your own shit and realize what a crap you have just build. If you are thinking that you have build something really engaging and can compete with some old exit scammed market then trust me you are not even close to looking like a marketplace, at least quark's site looks like a market and what you have did is just a colorful shit with big fonts a bunch of frontend responsive bugs and a dracula inspired logo :).

This is not a portfolio showing competition, you have to be good before pointing out someone about their shit.
Yes and vendors who are doing business for years know which market is truly dedicated for the community and which are just here to scam.
There is only short term money in scamming.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
3 months ago
I agree with you on most points. I do not want to attack other markets, as it is not compliant with regulations, and I am only referring to our market and what we think about it. Before we started coding, we had to think a lot about our security and that of the users and vendors. One must be aware that you are playing with your future and that of future users if you do not do it right. That is why we took the time to bring something good to the scene, to introduce new and fresh ideas, and to play a significant role in the future regarding transparency, security, and user-friendliness. We want even a user who is under the drug influence to be able to solve a captcha and not have to go through unnecessary trouble to register just to browse our market or place a one-time order. Even the vendor dashboard is designed so that anyone can easily manage everything without in-depth knowledge.

Stay safe.
/u/adruguser Superlist Inventor
1 points
3 months ago
what?
/u/adruguser Superlist Inventor
1 points
3 months ago
also talk shit here, dont ugly your announcement post
/u/greenpirate Moderator
1 points
3 months ago
/u/restless0 you are a bit dramatic,nobody gets paid its all love work, i am not capable to pentest markets, we have some other people who popped up and took that job,i cant controll when they are online.

btw this sub was pretty quit for years till some time ago and other people start intervere.

i dont feel responsible for that.
I get paid one key of blow per month, but sometimes I get greedy and ask for more and things get fucked up - they don't pay me - I start hacking them...

It's like a protection tax, you know?

/s