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1 points

1 year ago

You've finally unlocked your super power and that is to be immune to drugs :)
Just kidding, but yeah this is strange indeed...

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

You're not alone...tolerance is a bitch and she's in heat.

I'm a daily sniffer except I might take a shot once over the weekend. Last night I shot ~100mg of PF's #4 and felt a small rush but not much else after. Earlier in the week, when I first opened that bag from PF, a few sniffed lines gave me a nod, so I was expecting that that shot would've had me rushing hard, then nodding hard. But nope...

I vaguely recall reading something about how having a history of opioid use primes your tolerance to increase more rapidly than naive users. Has something to do with epigenetic changes to expression of opioid receptors, IIRC. Like you, I also have about a ten-year history of opioid use, interrupted by periods of sobriety ranging from months to years. I've been on this latest H run for about a month or so.

I reckon we might be getting reamed by our tolerances. Might be time to look into tolerance reducers like proglumide, ULDN, agmatine, or total reset via ibogaine.

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2 points

1 year ago

I'm a 15+ year user and had a full 3 years clean recently. After that, I relapsed using daily for a few months, then got clean for a few months, then did it again. I started using daily again a few months ago with 3.5g I got from MC. Towards the end of that bag, it got to the point that I was just ready to finish it off. I got some subs and painlessly went through withdrawals. I waited a few weeks before getting high again and that time only got a g and some subs to withdraw again and it was much more enjoyable. So I've just started doing that.

Something about daily use just starts to feel like shit now. I'm liking this process I've got now because when I get a bag, it's actually fun.

Now if the mail lords would show up with my stern letter from PF!

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

Your approach might be the way...

I've been on this latest run since early Sept. and it's lost its thrill. Since I'm afraid to dose at work, I hit a few lines in the morning and nothing again until I get home. As you can imagine, I just about sprint out the door when I get off work, and that first line once I get back home is easily the best of the day.

I hate that waiting period with before taking subs to avoid precipitated withdrawals, so I'm waiting on some O-dsmt from /u/ChemicalsinChains to try a taper with that.

Hope your PF gear shows up soon. No doubt you're gonna' enjoy it.

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2 points

1 year ago*

I think the 24 hour guideline is pushed just to be safe, but in reality if you look it up you'll see lots of sources saying 6-12 hours and that's consistent what I've been seeing. I simply do the last of my bag a few hrs before I go to sleep.

Just to be sure, when I wake up that next morning I don't take a whole sub, I do like 1-2mg and if nothing bad happens (it hasn't yet) I take another 4mg. I don't ever find the need to do more than 4mg at once at my current tolerance, which I imagine is similar to yours. My run started in mid Aug (was one of the lucky ones to get a MC shipment)

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

Once you hop on the subs, how long do you stay on them? If you taper on them, what's your taper schedule look like?

I'm thinking about grabbing some, but if I do, I'd want to play it so I'd avoid any w/d's from the buprenorphine itself. Heard that shit can be pretty rough...

/u/weed_doer .88 Monero Giveaway Winner

1 points

1 year ago

I just get like 5 subs. First morning take a test, like a little less than a quarter of an 8mg, then take a 4mg when I know it's all good, then another 4mg that night. Next day, 4mg in the morning, 4mg at night. Then decrease from there.

So, it's roughly like: 10mg, 8, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1, 1

I don't do it by the book, I might throw in an extra 2mg somewhere if I get a craving or something, but by those last 3 days the heroin is out of your system. Subs last 24-36 hours so as you approach the tail end of the taper, you still have some of the higher dose from previous days in your system. The two last days of subs and the two next days feel about the same and then you start to feel better as the subs leave your body. It's honestly hardly even noticeable.

This is also how they detoxed me in rehab and I remember thinking what the fuck, how was this so easy? I had never tried a sub taper before. One time, I had been on sub maintenance for months and abruptly stopped and it did, in fact, suck. I think that's where the "subs are just as hard to come off of as dope" talk comes from.

I will say this probably wouldn't have worked in the past before I went to rehab multiple times and worked through my problems and finally realized I'm actually ok with myself and I don't need dope to survive. As long as you're ok with yourself sober, coming off of subs with a taper like that is a godsend.

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

Tyvm. I won't have any problem finding a sub vendor, but are there any in particular you'd recommend?

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2 points

1 year ago

I like to get subutex because no naloxone which gives me a headache and you can also snort it instead of put it under your tongue. I wouldn't snort a whole 4mg but I get random cravings just to snort something and that's when I do like 1mg here and there like I was saying above.

So even though it's more expensive than some other vendors, I use DoctorRX. Dude's shipping is insane and he's got the unflavored white subutex. I hate that orange taste.

PS looks like today's the day for PF

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1 points

1 year ago

gawwwddddamn PF got me melting

I was thinking earlier that I still think I prefer energetic opioids like oxymorphone better. Maybe I prefer that during the day so I can work and heroin at night time so I can drool on myself like I am now.

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

Enjoy the PF gear! Wish we could get this stuff domestically, but PF it's kind of a moot point since his orders arrive about as fast as domestic #4 vendors, anyway.

Thanks for the tips. Which of the white subutex brands do you prefer, Sun, Roxane/Hikma, or Rhodes? Or are they all interchangeable? Does buprenorphine have a decent nasal bio-availability?
I fucking hate the films, so just maybe tablets will be my ticket to a relatively painless exit to this current run...

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2 points

1 year ago

Roxane/Hikma are what I've been getting but assuming the others have no flavor, it'd be fine with me. Bioavailability is higher nasally than sublingually I believe, but both in the 30-40% range. I even remember a couple times this past taper that I hit a 1-2mg line and feeling that opi warmth in my legs. I don't recommend snorting more than 2mg at a time because the powder is kind of harsh on the nose. It doesn't burn, it just sticks around and irritates or something, hard to explain.

So, for example, say I was dosing 4mg one morning. I'd break off ~1mg and put ~3mg under my tongue. Later on, whenever I thought about "damn I want to snort something" I'd hit that 1mg line and it usually made me feel at least better than baseline.

If you try it out, let me know! I'm curious to know how it works for you.

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

Got an order of subutex in, so gonna' give your method a shot here soon. My PF gear is starting to lose its magic, so I know it's time for a tolerance break.

I was always under the impression that I had to 48-72 hours after my last dose of H before the taking first sub, but knowing I can start with a small dose after only 12 makes this seem doable.

Have you ever tried the Bernese method?

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2 points

1 year ago

I've heard of it and read it a few times but no I don't think I've ever tried it. That's probably where I subconsciously got the idea to try a small dose first the next morning.

Instead of 1-2mg then 4mg like I do now that I'm confident my process works, you could just slowly ramp up that first morning. Like, take a 0.5mg just to be 100% sure, then add 1mg every 30-60 mins. Once you get that 4mg in your system safely then you're good to go. No need to fuck around with more H or anything.

Let me know how it goes!

/u/blumlein

2 points

1 year ago

I first tried dope in 1987, I had done a few percs before. But once I was given dope that was it. Went to rehab and stayed clean for lets see, maybe 8 years. Then had some legal issues and quit again about 2008. I had gone 20 days without sleeping going cold turkey. The rehab doc was a cool guy and offered to give me something called suboxone. I took it and slept finally. thought it was a miracle. Little did I know that its got a long half life and way harder than dope to kick. I've found that subutex seems to give less PWD than Suboxone. Also that the amount of time you need to wait depends on your ROA. I use the COWS scoring (clinical opiate withdrawal scale) and get to a 20 and then always start small. I have 2mg subutex tablets and take a tiny piece and work my way up. I guess its microdosing. No one told me to do it I was just trying to prevent precipitation. PWD is no fun. Im a fuck up, Ive quit and started dope 100 times. If you are doing methadone or long 1/2 life material you need to wait longer. I would not recommend snorting your subutex, why? well I think it makes it hard to stay clean, you never give up that security blanket. But people do it, hell you can shoot it. Just don't mix up your suboxone with subutex lol. Anyway Bernese method is kinda what I always have done without realizing it was microdosing. Even with a heavy dope habit, I could take about 2-4 mg sub per day and be ok. I always try to limit the amount of subs I take. Wish I could say the same about dope. Fuck they used to try to give me 32 mg subox. per day. I'd fill the prescription but putting 4 orange stop signs sublingual was wild. as far as tolerance goes. your body remembers, I can take years and years off then within a very short time my tol. is right back. How many people do you know that can stay off everything. Once you start opiates, its hard to get off of everything. Looking back I wish I never tried Bupe. I never wanted to jump through the hoops of waiting in line to et methadone. Bupe is my security blanket that allows me to think I can use and it will be ok. But not many people can stay totally clean, Bupe is one double edged sword. There is a quick bupe taper method. ive never tried it. But is wish I did. I havent used in a few months, But took bupe every day. Hope your break goes well. Blum

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

Thanks for the insight, blum. As always, I appreciate your perspective.

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2 points

1 year ago

Just wanted to say I did not have as much luck with the sub withdrawal this past time. I used for about 10 days I think. I went through a couple days of hell. Vomiting and shitting everywhere. I didn't get precipitated withdrawals from the subutex, it just did not make me feel better for whatever reason. I took 24mg that first day and no relief. I didn't test PF's stuff but everyone says it's not got zenes or fent or anything else that fucks with subs in it, so I'm not sure what the difference was.

I did finally get some relief with kratom about 24 hours into WDs. Alternated kratom and subs for about 48 hours. Also found a tiny line of dope to do about 48 hours in. Subutex doesn't seem to give any precipitated withdrawals for me. Maybe it really is the naloxone and we've all been fooled.

I'm on day 4 now and finally feeling better.

24mg -> 12mg -> 8mg -> today woke up feeling fine, took 4mg

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

Sorry to hear that...after 10 days I figure the wd's shouldn't be that rough. I've seen a few reports floating around about PF's CW having odd effects on some people, despite most everyone reporting no issues. Who the hell knows?

Anyway, I'm glad you're pulling through, and motivating me to stock up on more subutex just in case I find myself needing more. The trick for me is going to be timing it so the worst happens over a weekend.

What kind of kratom did you use? Straight regular powder or extracts? I've tried a few small batch vendors touted on reddit /r/vendorsofkratom2 but found most of it weak, and this was before I started on this latest H run. I have trouble finding consistently good kratom from any source, save certain extracts (but those are almost as expensive as a dope habit).

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2 points

1 year ago

OPMS extract is what I use. Expensive, but if I'm feeling bad enough to need it, I don't really care about the price. It really does take a huge chunk of the withdrawals away. You still feel shitty, but it's no longer that "I can't take this" type of shitty.

/u/ZillaKami138

1 points

1 year ago

If my timing is right, I should be running out on Weds or Thurs, so will be making to jump to around Friday. Wish me luck. I have various kratom extract products sitting on standby in case subutex doesn't offer me relief I want.

I'm tempted to try Bernese because my subutex are 2mgs, so it wouldn't be hard to divide them up into quarters, 0.5mg doses, and I've seen where some Bernese methods start at that dose.

/u/w33dwizard

1 points

1 year ago

yo zilla can u respond to DM pls ? <3

/u/Zezima1

1 points

1 year ago

This is honestly exactly what I do now. Can't be dying in bed for a week now that I'm old haha. I only get 1G at a time because if I get more, I will do it all no matter what. 1 bag every 2-3 weeks and I've saved thousands and it's a blast every time. Which vendor is PF? Wanting to switch away from SWP. Thank you!

/u/weed_doer .88 Monero Giveaway Winner

1 points

1 year ago

yeah I'm loving this method so far and the subs make it so painless

/u/partyfaves - Canadian vendor with the best stuff I've tried this year. Really inconspicuous shipping.

/u/Zezima1

1 points

1 year ago

Oh yeah, duh! I've only ever heard great things myself. Might just have to check 'em out if SWP can't get his shit together.

/u/weed_doer .88 Monero Giveaway Winner

1 points

1 year ago

I heard the new SWP batch was good too, just shit shipping right now (2-3 weeks).

Looks like Bandito is the fastest way to get dope now, which is hilarious.

/u/Zezima1

1 points

1 year ago

Just placed an order with SWP. He hadn't logged on in 16 hours and immediately logged in and withdrew my coins after "completing" the order so "can't refund" according to him. Oof.

/u/vxvlolzz

1 points

1 year ago

i'm not sure how true it is but i've heard everytime you go into a cold turkey withdrawal, it'll be worse than the last time you tried to get clean. kinda like alcohol, i'd def say its like that with benzos tho.

/u/vxvlolzz

1 points

1 year ago

been there man, about 5 years ago i was getting raw #4 right off the brick before it got cut and man, i was doing so much of it and having the most amazing rushes ive ever felt, i was maxing out at 6 bags (north east tri state thing which is about 100mg per bag). source ended up drying out so i couldn't get that anymore, ended up going to the city with some of my boys to the city to cop, they were getting rocked off 2-3 bags, 5 bags was barley was getting me right but no rush. Long story shot i wasnt able to get a proper rush for about 3-4 months. shitty feeling but eventually it'll come back, i learned not to go super hard from that lol