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[OPEN DISCUSSION] What is your superlist must have + wishlist in 2025 and Beyond? : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

we have some ideas ourselves on what we think should be mandatory features in this day and tech age. things like XMR only, walletless escrow, no market PGP auto-encrypt, auto vendor withdrawals etc etc.

1. what other safety, security and/or convenience features should a https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmMzVndaWEpzYVhOMA==# market have?

2. is there a balance that needs to be kept between safe/secure vs convenience and ease of use of a https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmMzVndaWEpzYVhOMA==# market - if so where does that lie?

3. do you think we should move it to a tiered system whereby markets with more of the safety and security features should be ranked gold, silver, bronze?

or is everyone just happy with the basic checks done with a waiting period after https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmJXRnlhMlYwWVc1dWIzVnVZMlZ0Wlc1MA==# to make the https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmMzVndaWEpzYVhOMA==#, and happy to make up their own minds and figure out what is acceptable?

we've tried to keep out of forcing features on markets as we don't want to be the ones dictating these things when buyers end up using the markets without the features we think are straight up MUST HAVE.

anyhow - throwing out to the community to give us some feedback
(ps - remember the sub rules!)

/u/newbieforever2018 P

4 points

1 day ago

I think that a tiered system would definitely be an improvement rather than markets either passing or failing list addition only.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

1 day ago

can you elaborate? interested to know where you see that going?

in my mind i see a list of good safety/security features and if you have a certain amount, you get bronze status, a few more then silver, and more - gold. i dunno just spitballing

/u/newbieforever2018 P

1 points

1 day ago

I like it exactly as you suggested it with gold, silver, bronze depending upon ease of access, security features, user friendly vendor search, etc, rather than all of them being superlist markets with no differentiation.

/u/pgpfreak P

1 points

1 day ago

Absolutely. Current criteria are fine. But the drama about who gets in first weakens the confidence one will give to the overall process. There's no reason for that.

/u/Emerald_CityBB Confirmed Market Vendor

2 points

1 day ago*

A market has to be safe to be on the Superlist. I think a tiered system would not be a good idea because it would look like an endorsement. It would be better IMO to just list the security features of each market prominently instead of using those features to rank the markets

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

1 day ago

i dunno.. i kind of look at it in a similar way as kycnot.me and using them as a template but simplified. it's not really them endorsing, just scoring based on a system related to KYC etc

/u/Emerald_CityBB Confirmed Market Vendor

1 points

9 hours ago

Yeah, I get the tiered system can be an improvement in market safety. I think it would be to have tiers based on both technical OpSec criteria and a record of operations like the current list. Kind of a mix of both

/u/Emerald_CityBB Confirmed Market Vendor

1 points

9 hours ago

I saw your other comment .. lol

/u/SnappyTurtle 🍼

2 points

1 day ago*

walletless escrow

yes

no market PGP auto-encrypt

YES!

auto vendor withdrawals

for everyone, not just vendors

what other safety, security and/or convenience features should a https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmMzVndaWEpzYVhOMA==# market have?

Nuke account

is there a balance that needs to be kept between safe/secure vs convenience and ease of use of a https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmMzVndaWEpzYVhOMA==# market

yes of course, you can't make markets unusable to noobs or they'll never onboard. barriers too high means noobs will get discouraged.

do you think we should move it to a tiered system whereby markets with more of the safety and security features should be ranked gold, silver, bronze?

yes, why not? that's good

more good ideas are

OPTIONAL DARK MODE (non-negotiable!!!) I'm also fine with forced dark mode. ;)
transparent market fees. fees schedule page mandatory at onion/fees.txt or similar
BTC not allowed, but XMR only is too harsh. leave room for other privacy coins.
Clearnet link sites cannot be protected by US gov/corp surveillance collaborator and system buttlicker Cloudflare. DDoS-Guard in Russia should maybe be the standard?

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/u/neoxydite

1 points

1 day ago

i think DH is a great example of a secure market
Ik i didnt answer the questions at all, sorry

/u/626shroomz

1 points

1 day ago

Completely agree with all of the features you listed, I think those should pretty much be standardized. Tiered system would have to have very straightforward qualifiers to prevent subjective favoritism and market inequality- but I do like the idea of it. Dread mods would have the power to essentially dethrone a market though and that is unsettling.

/u/DojaDesperado P

1 points

1 day ago

1. Accepting an order and marking it shipped MUST be 2 separate functions.

2. NO auto-encrypt and uploading a PGP key should be required to shop.

3. Automatic vendor withdrawals to multiple wallets. The wallet the funds go to would be specified in listing creation. So different listings could cash out to different wallets.

4. Market should not be too specific in the feature that shows the last time the vendor was online. Should be more vague like "Within last 4 hours" even if they logged in 10 minutes ago.

5. Superlist markets should have high standards for vendor terms of service. Should be a number of fields where vendors have to specify exactly how the various outcomes of an order will be handled.

/u/MrBacon420 P

2 points

1 day ago

I like all of these. I assume you mean "shop" means to buy. I don't think PGP should be required to browse.
I also want a pause of Monero value - I wrote it out earlier but that thread got deleted. Should have an hour or two to send a specific amount of XMR (Or if some other awesome privacy coin takes over).

/u/DojaDesperado P

1 points

1 day ago

Correct, I mean PGP on-file to make a purchase.

Had not considered the issue with cryto fluctuations, but have definitely been on both sides of that.

I'm wondering how that could be setup in a way that doesn't encourage a bunch of cancelled orders. Say it locks in a quoted price for an hour or two, and the value of XMR increases in that time, will customers just cancel the orders and reorder at the current higher crypto value?

Or conversely, if XMR value decreases in that window, will vendors be the ones cancelling orders?

/u/MrBacon420 P

2 points

1 day ago

I think that's part of the game to be honest. The standard (Arche, Asteria, etc.) is/was three hours. When XMR was spiking, I think it's kind of a dick move to cancel an order when the value benefits one person over the other. Lately, XMR has been fairly steady, so less of a concern.

Good discussion.

/u/DojaDesperado P

2 points

1 day ago

I guess I wasn't aware that was even built into Archetyp, or maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention. Good knowledge! If the standard was simply to use Archetyp as the blueprint and bar for features and such, I'd be a very happy vendor. I suspect most customers would be very happy as well.

I miss BigBoss like a mfer, man.....

/u/MrBacon420 P

2 points

1 day ago

I personally believe after that last DDOS he knew he has done for, but he was going to ride that ship until it sank, because that's what he believed in. But that's also not this thread either.

Long live BB

/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

1 points

1 day ago

Direct pay orders would be locked in by design. You make the order and the market tells you exactly what to pay and in what time frame, right? Don't all markets that have direct pay work like this?

/u/MrBacon420 P

1 points

20 hours ago

DMM and BlackOps do not at this time.

/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

1 points

20 hours ago

Because they don't have direct pay ( I know blackops doesn't yet) or does darkmatter have direct pay just no lock in on price of monero? Seems like if they ask you to send a certain amount then that's what you have to send. There's no time limit at all to send xmr?

/u/SnappyTurtle 🍼

1 points

1 day ago

uploading a PGP key should be required to shop.

No! It should be encouraged ofc, but idiots make pgp keys with their real name and email address all the time. Markets should scan gpg keys for gmail, hotmail, yahoo, outlook, tuta, proton, yadex email domains and reject them and output the error message detailing the reason for the rejection.

I agree with the rest.

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/u/DojaDesperado P

1 points

1 day ago

I can't say I've seen that even once across 300+ public key imports. PGP is a perfect barrier to entry because if you can't figure out PGP, you probably shouldn't be ordering from the DNMs.

/u/SnappyTurtle 🍼

1 points

1 day ago*

I can figure it out, but I don't want to make yet another key just to place an order I shouldn't have to be asked any questions about.

IF the vendor needs to talk to me, THEN I'll make a new key, thank you very much.

It's not usually necessary for users to need a pgp key, so why force them to make one which they might expose themselves with? The key might be weak as fuck or made by a third party website or other idiot things if you force keys on people.

Isn't it strange that so many pgp programs have a "real name" or "Your name" or "Name" field? Ppl see that and type their government name. Some force the email address field. New users think that means they need a valid email addy there so they type their gmail addy.

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/u/DojaDesperado P

1 points

1 day ago

If you already have other keys for other reasons, you should know it only takes a couple minutes to make a new keypair. Might not be ideal for you personally, but overall, when you look at the big picture and all use cases, it's far better to require a PGP key because then you can also require 2FA. More security is never a bad thing, especially when it requires very little time or effort. In the long run it would also cut down on comms and wasted time waiting for someone to send a key or upload it if something does come up.

/u/tuxedodonkey

1 points

1 day ago

>1. what other safety, security and/or convenience features should a https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmMzVndaWEpzYVhOMA==# market have?
idk maybe put a padlock on and we all share the combination through pgp?

>2. is there a balance that needs to be kept between safe/secure vs convenience and ease of use of a https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmMzVndaWEpzYVhOMA==# market - if so where does that lie?
i think u should only list the good ones tbh dont know why u would need to ask this??

>3. do you think we should move it to a tiered system whereby markets with more of the safety and security features should be ranked gold, silver, bronze?
nah

/u/pgpfreak P

1 points

1 day ago

idk maybe put a padlock on and we all share the combination through pgp?

OK but only if the PGP message is password-protected and we share the password first.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

1 day ago

have it in sharepoint. sorted.

/u/MellowMania 🍼

1 points

1 day ago

Has anyone said free drugs yet?

/u/Emerald_CityBB Confirmed Market Vendor

1 points

1 day ago

Imposing new security standards on the Superlist means the present Superlist markets, 2 on the list and 1 probationary, may not qualify

I believe that increasing user awareness of these security issues is the best way to protect the users and get markets to adopt these features

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

1 day ago

not necessarily, if we go with a tiered system then they might just slot in to a lower one.

also i imagine we would give some grace time to update the markets if they happen to not meet whatever was put in place. the concept wouldn't be meant to screw over current markets or disadvantage them.

in the past we have pushed the more security or innovative markets ahead in the queue. seems that this has been an issue for some who just want first come, first on the list. i'm not a fan of this as it's pretty easy to game some minimum requirements. especially if you're one of the rinse repeaters that have gone through the process before.

there's also been times when there have been a flood of shitty markets wanting to announce... does everyone want 45 markets on the superlist? or cap it somewhere?

/u/Emerald_CityBB Confirmed Market Vendor

1 points

10 hours ago

I get it. My main concern was with the current Superlist markets, so it sounds like a good idea if it's phased in also keeping the probationary period

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

9 hours ago

might be none left by the end of the week the way things are going lol

/u/217party

1 points

1 day ago

add a andvertise tab where pepol get paid for advertising the markets like stickers stuff what krakken is doing in russa rn

/u/ukscene

1 points

16 hours ago

I want the white house market to come back with the same vendors and quality, since they went, at least for me, the quality of market vendors and product has dropped significantly

/u/madebydjango 🍼

1 points

16 hours ago

If no public security review (verifiable) by a reliable party is done it shouldn't be listed.

If it's a superlist market and several bug are found, the market should temporarily be removed from the list.