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Pretty sure Infinity got my fucking CoinBase suspended : CafeDread | Torhoo darknet markets

Just a warning to everybody, at least the U.S. people here. I used Infinity's exchanger to trade 3 XMR to BTC and sent it to my CoinBase account and now my account is suspended. Support isn't responding to me, I just got an email basically saying I'm banned. I wish they had a fucking warning up that this could happen or something.

Edit: To everyone trying to tell me bullshit like "mixers actually are supposed to give you dirty coins, just different dirty coins" please see this comment from https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNXNW1hVzVwZEhsUWNtOXFaV04w#

"the coins are clean, and you can check them on AMLBOT, of course"

http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/post/21fec0c2b1cfa0a0fe2b/#c-2b794e53c52aad2aa0

Not only do they send your coins to AML researchers, and advertise that their coins pass AML checks, then they don't bother to send you clean coins from their stash, they only give users the dirty shit.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
7 points
2 years ago
Honestly that is your own fault for using CoinBase, they tag wallet clusters for crypto mixers and other illicit services and will close your account if funds come from them. This can and will happen when using any mixing service.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
My fault for using CoinBase? No, my fault for using Infinity! What's the point of using this shit service? What the fuck is anyone supposed to do with coins dirty enough to insta-ban your account on an exchange? Even if I went to spend these at some shop that accepts BTC, wouldn't the same thing happen, just like with an "order denied" instead of an "account banned"?

If this is the standard for the coins they send out then I'm never using their site again. I don't think it's crazy to think that I should be able to USE the coins I get from them. I might as well have received nothing.
/u/noslacking
3 points
2 years ago
Common sense bro, not only did you use a mixing service you used an even more illegal one aimed at darknet customers. You're always gonna get dirty coins. AND then you sent them to coinbase smh
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
How is it common sense that I wouldn't be able to use the money I received? They sent me unusable money. The coins they sent me are worth ZERO DOLLARS. It doesn't matter if they sent me 1 BTC, 10 BTC, or 100 BTC in exchange for my 3 XMR if I can't fucking spend it.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
5 points
2 years ago
ALL mixer money is dirty coin, you can't remove taint unless you swap it with someone who has freshly purchased coin from a legit service. The illicit service's wallets are all tagged, that is how crypto analysis works, you can see the whole cluster and where every part of your coins has been. CoinBase is notorious for this, you should not have been directly putting them into an exchange from a mixer, you need to create plausible deniability in the chain before they land in your posession. You did it wrong, don't blame everyone else.

This is not me vouching for Infinity as a good service in any way either, this is just facts and applies to any mixing service.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
Literally the whole point of a mixer is to receive clean coins, what are you talking about??? I don't understand what your deal is, I post something critical of Infinity and immediately you jump to their defense, but you act like you're not vouching for them. You barely post twice a week and now you comment twice in this one thread just to talk about how it's my fault for expecting money I received to not be worthless.

Do you stick your neck out for every shitty project that comes on this site, or just the ones that pay you?
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 years ago
It is clean in the sense that the origin has been masked, you're receiving other people's dirty coin mixed together though for the most part. That is what it means by "clean". The mixer's wallets will get tagged and then any coin that comes from it will be considered dirty no matter what, because there must be a reason for you to be using a mixer in the first place.

I never stick my neck out for any service and I tell them to handle their PR themselves, because they come to us too much expecting us to remove FUD, but I only consider a reason for us to handle FUD when it is a clear targetted attack from the same or multiple individuals. In this case, as I literally just told you, I was responding to your misunderstanding of mixers and the problem with CoinBase in general, not backing up Infinity. But you already knew that, you're just either looking for someone to blame for your own mistakes or this is a complete bullshit story to attack Infinity. I don't care either way, your issue is debunked as being your own fault.

Stop hitting out at everyone when they are telling you the same thing, if you see everyone else as the problem, then the problem is you.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
>because they come to us too much expecting us to remove FUD, but I only consider a reason for us to handle FUD when it is a clear targetted attack from the same or multiple individuals

Wow what a shocker? They have a lot of other complaints too? I'm blown away by that, I can't believe it! Maybe if they're getting so many fucking compalints you should do something about it bro. You're the admin.

Like I said in another comment how is it "clean" then? What kind of stupid word game is that? If I gave you shit covered underwear and told you to clean them and you returned them covered in a different person's shit, that's not any cleaner than you got them.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
Bro I just checked and you're completely wrong. They literally say it passes AML checks. (They shouldn't be sending txids to AML researchers anyway, but that's a whole other complaint.)

http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/post/21fec0c2b1cfa0a0fe2b/#c-2b794e53c52aad2aa0

"the coins are clean, and you can check them on AMLBOT, of course"

Why aren't you doing anything about blatant false advertising? How do you defend that one?
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 years ago
It doesn't matter if AML picks up any taint on the coins themselves, what I am saying is that the wallets of the service will already be tagged by the likes of Chainalysis, which CoinBase likely uses unless they have their own in-house checking. If it comes from a mixer, as someone else said, one targetted at Darknet users at that, then it will be considered as tainted coin.

The coin itself clean or not, you can see whether it comes from addresses within a mixer.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
First you said "It is clean in the sense that the origin has been masked, you're receiving other people's dirty coin mixed together though for the most part. That is what it means by "clean"." So just to be clear, now you've completely backpedaled on that?

What kind of dumbass word game are you going to play with this? How does "the coins are clean, and you can check them on AMLBOT" imply anything other than that depositing them will be fine, because they're not flagged by AML tools? You're bending over backwards to make this not look bad on them.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 years ago
We are not talking about Infinity here, I don't know how their mixer works if they provide you dirty coins or clean, I'm telling you as I did from my first comment, their wallets will be tagged regardless, so the fuck up was putting them directly into the exchange.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
2 points
2 years ago
This entire thread is about Infinity, how the fuck are we not talking about Infinity here? Now you're just offering vague platitudes about the nature of language and what the word "mixer" means? You've completely lost the plot.

Here, I'll focus the discussion a bit. Try to keep up:

I'd like to know why you allow blatant false advertising on your platform. I know if a drug vendor advertised that he'd send you drugs for money, then ripped people off, you wouldn't tolerate that. Infinity advertises that the coins they send pass AML checks, and they absolutely do not. Why do you allow that on your forum?
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
2 points
2 years ago
YOU are discussing Infinity, I am discussing your misunderstanding of crypto and mixers in general.

You can post whatever you want its up to subdread mods to handle shit like that, I don't have time to oversee every post or comment, or fact check shit, that is not my role.
/u/Shakybeats M an molester
1 points
2 years ago
Hold on. I need a beer and some popcorn. It's been a while since Dread had a convo like this going.
/u/Gb888
1 points
2 years ago
The overall message is that your OPSEC was flawed. This includes Infinity and/or any other mixer or flagged entity by Coinbase. That's it. You used an entity that Coinbase has flagged. Don't get angry at people here. They are trying to help you. Read, learn, and correct your OPSEC.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game."
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
Now you're the one sounding like a shill, lol.

You've fundamentally misunderstood what any mixer does, it gives you coins not tied to your original ones, not clean coins. Again almost 100% of coins flowing to infinity are gonna be dirty. You should know this, common sense and all.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
"the coins are clean, and you can check them on AMLBOT, of course"

http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/post/21fec0c2b1cfa0a0fe2b/#c-2b794e53c52aad2aa0

Not only do they send your coins to AML researchers, and advertise that their coins pass AML checks, then they don't bother to send you clean coins from their stash, they only give users the dirty shit.
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
OK bro, I don't really care. You used a questionable service and got fucked. Do you know how much blockchain analysis there is now? These chain analysis services track all the main wallets, there's no "clean coins" because they'd just quickly be flagged as belonging to a mixing service and coinbase would still flag it eventually. They're all gonna be tainted unless you have a service that offers extra stuff like kilos. You already said you won't pay extra so just sell monero or keep taking losses.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
The least I could expect is that they'd follow through on their word that the coins pass AML checks. How badly would they have to fuck up for you to actually say "wow, Infinity did a bad job"? If someone's coins get straight up stolen, do you say "it's actually your fault for trying to spend them"? And I already told like 3 retards in this thread I'm not paying a percent fee PLUS a flat fee for the *~*privilege*~* of being able to SPEND MY FUCKING MONEY. It should absolutely be standard. This is completely fucked.
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
Bro if no one in this thread agrees with you, including well known vendors and the admin of dread the issue probably lies with you.

How do you even know your transaction didn't pass AML? Coinbase might have flagged it regardless because they suspect it came from a mixing service.

You pay for the privilege because you're probably doing illegal shit?

Here's a thought. Next time leave your lousy 3 xmr in a wallet and spend it next time? or sell it for cash on localmoneros?

If the feds contact you all over $500 you might think shit, should have paid more for the privilege.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
"How do you even know your transaction didn't pass AML?"

If they suspect it came from a mixing service, then how the fuck did it pass AML? I know it didn't pass AML because it flagged my account retard.
/u/noslacking
0 points
2 years ago
You said support didn't respond to you?

You think coinbase only flag you for AML reasons? It could pass AML and still be flagged.

Maybe your account got flagged because you bought bitcoins and sent to elude? You mentioned in another post.

You don't know shit, or you wouldn't be sending directly to coinbase from a fucking mixer.
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
Do you think mixing services give you clean coins? No they just mix them with others and send you different ones, but literally everyone that sends to a darknet mixers coins are gonna be dirty? Pay the extra and try kilos anti kyc thing if you want clean. OR don't use a service who solely advertise to darknet users. Common sense bro
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
What the fuck is being "mixed" then? If I asked you to clean a pair of underwear off because they had shit all over them, and you returned them with a different person's shit on them, that's not fucking clean.

Also I'm not paying extra money to get clean coins from a mixer. It should be the fucking standard, not an add-on service, that's retarded as shit.
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
mixed, your coins for someone else's coins. You might have got a fucking terrorists bitcoins for all I know.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
No bro they literally directly come out and say the coins they send out pass AML checks, and they don't. That isn't what "mixed" means in general and it's especially not what "mixed" means in the context of their own guarantees.
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
You used a mixing service, not a cleaning service. You should be selling monero or exchanging on a legit exchange if you want to avoid these issues.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
When https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNXNW1hVzVwZEhsUWNtOXFaV04w# said "the coins are clean, and you can check them on AMLBOT, of course" you don't think that constituted an offer to CLEAN the coins?
/u/bestbenzos
1 points
2 years ago
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/u/MuffinMan 📢
0 points
2 years ago
Infinity didn't do their job if I can't spend the money I received. Might as well've sent me an IOU in the mail or something. If they had done that at least I'd still have a CoinBase account. What I received from them is literally worth less than $0.

+ I can't deposit XMR directly to CoinBase because CoinBase doesn't accept it.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
Literally it sounds like what you're saying is that the only reason EVERYONE doesn't ban these dirty ass coins is because some companies don't bother to check (YET)
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
hug can we get a ban /u/Slyzrut and maybe an automod on this bitcoin flashing scam bullshit he's been running for a week. Obvious scam but some people are falling it for it. He posted on fraud but it's since been deleted, he's getting people to download fake wallets and asking them to deposit to them.
/u/HugBunter A ssassin
1 points
2 years ago
Banned but I forgot to add the automod entries, if you notice it again send us a Modmail and we'll clean it up properly, thanks for letting me know.
/u/noslacking
1 points
2 years ago
Thanks hug, will do.
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/u/Hungry_Eyes
2 points
2 years ago
Coinbase is well known for doing this kind of thing.

Always send your coin to a local wallet before transferring to an Exchange such as Coinbase, LocalBitcoins, etc. Goes like this: Infinty output -> local wallet -> Exchange receiving wallet. You can throw another wallet in the middle, from DN wallet to clearnet wallet, too. Hides the nature of the process a little better, imo.
I added a comment because the opposite is also true, regarding sending coins from coinbase.
/u/Hungry_Eyes
1 points
2 years ago
Point well taken. I agree with the comment you've made.
Thanks man. I am a conbase user and they have been very good to me, would hate to lose that account.
/u/Xansexual_Maniac
1 points
2 years ago
Once you go Kraken you never go backen
/u/Xansexual_Maniac
1 points
2 years ago
if I see this in a kraken ad one day Im gonna fucking sue the shit out of them
If coinbase ever fails me I will be looking there or gemini.
/u/Xansexual_Maniac
1 points
2 years ago
coinbasse fees give me rageboners kraken is like $1.20 on a $2000 trade
Coinbase charges me 1.5 percent which to me is great. It is very hard to believe that kraken is that cheap.
/u/Xansexual_Maniac
1 points
2 years ago
sometimes trade fee is even 0% & they trade XMR in the US ill die on this s-hill
How do they make their money?
/u/Xansexual_Maniac
1 points
2 years ago
I guess fees range between 0%-0.26% depending on]\ trade pair I guess they have highish fees for purchasing via a CC or bank act. but I just trade there I dont buy coins there. dgmw I like coinbase but broo
Speaking of coinbase accounts, for those who have them never pay someone directly from their account or you risk them banning you for suspicious transactions. Buy your coin, send to anonymous third party wallet, and pay whomever from there. This is probably a big duh for most dread members but I would be amiss to not mention it for the few who are unaware. I have read too many comments in various forums from people crying after the fact about the loss of their coinbase account.
/u/youfailedcaptcha
2 points
2 years ago
Where is the proof that you actually used the exchanger?
/u/TORCashExchange
1 points
2 years ago
This further supports what I have been saying for a while on here. No matter how much a mixer advertises how "clean" their coins are going to be, any exchange that does blockchain analytics as part of their AML program (which is all of them in the US and EU) will see that it originated from a high risk service and will flag, suspend, or report your account. On top of this, US LE has been actively adding mixers and other services to the sanction list due to their part in laundering state sponsored crypto hacking.. By high risk service I am talking any mixer or exchange that offers BTC/XMR swaps. And let me be clear that I am not advocating against using these services, but I am saying DO NOT use these services if you intend to cash out at any sort of exchange. Use them instead to cover your trail before cashing out with a peer to peer vendor.

The ONLY way to safely and properly cash out your crypto is, and always will be, peer to peer.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
0 points
2 years ago
No fucking surprise that my account got banned, this retard https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNXNW1hVzVwZEhsUWNtOXFaV04w# is literally GIVING the transaction IDs from his exchanger directly to AML researchers (AMLBOT). Holy fuck you're retarded https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlNXNW1hVzVwZEhsUWNtOXFaV04w#

http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/post/23ab42e26f8d4cb9c83a/#c-04b1a7403bff97ec27
/u/DontSpeakWithHumans
1 points
2 years ago
Should have used /d/kilos.
/u/MuffinMan 📢
1 points
2 years ago
I shouldn't have to fucking pay extra for clean coins. It's a mixer, and I'm already paying a fee, why would I have to pay an EXTRA fee to not get uselessly tainted coins?