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I actually started my privacy journey thanks to youtubers like the hated one, Rob Braxman, Mental Outlaw and Naomi Brockwell. But as more I learn about privacy, I came to the conclusion, that all these privacy youtubers are actually snakeoil salemsmen/women. They shill privacy "solutions" which are in most cases just placebos. This is why I believe, they are payed by "privacy companies" such as Brave, Proton, Mullvad etc. In the case of Braxman, he is selling just his own stuff. I actually remember a interview with Brandon Eich, the boss of Brave and he said something along the lines, that there is now a demand for privacy solutions and there is a market for it. So, basically capitalism is going to bring us privacy. But all these "solutions" rely on pure trust. There is no objective reason to trust Mullvad, Nym, Brave, Proton. These companies are being shilled so hard, but actually they aren't more trustworthy than X-VPN. But since I am talking about "trust", I don't trust FOSS and Tor neither. I'm also sure, that dread is a honeypot. I hate those privacy influencers for the reason, that they are throwing sand in the eyes of the people. They are spreading the false belief, that you can be sure of having privacy, simply by using a custom rom, a vpn or tor browser. Lies!

/u/DaVenom

1 points

2 weeks ago*

It's a well known fact that U-tubers gets their income from the producers who's products are exposed in these broadcasts. No difference for the privacy focused U-tubers.

However, I think you take this one step to far when distrusting FOSS, this is some thing you, me and a broad community has insight into and can affect. Especially when the FOSS is running in distributed, non-central volunteers communities, this should be consider as the best option.

If not, what is a better option?

/u/ringct

1 points

2 weeks ago

You make a solid point the first half of the post, money can buy anything. However many of the recommended solutions are still, objectively, better than many others.
The thin difference between a genuine recommendation based on facts and a sponsorship under the table is difficult to spot. This is also easily avoidable by not being passive and researching about the product yourself.

For example, Proton gave out user data to LE, but how many users actually know?
cyberinsider.com/protonmail-discloses-user-data-leading-to-arrest-in-spain/
(This is also the only case the reached the news, but how many are there really?)

The second half makes no sense. You are comparing FOSS with money driven advertising.
In the FOSS community, there is no monetary gain in recommending a free and open source software instead of an other, especially because the majority is not even backed-up by a for-profit company.
Your reasoning just doesn't make any sense.

/u/[deleted] 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

I don't trust the FOSS "community", because it also just boils down to blind faith. How should I know, which FOSS prodcut is secure? By blindly adhering to the "recommendation" of the FOSS priests. FOSS is a meme, because nobody can actually know what the software is doing. I can't examine the billion lines of code. I don't have the expertise and the time to review it. And I know, that I am not the only one. This is why FOSS is like a religion: "Just trust me bro! Oh, you don't trust me? Ok, you can examine the code and see for yourself! Good luck!" This is why I hate the FOSS "community". They are just as clueless as me, but they belief, they know the truth. But reality is, computer technology has become so complex, that nobody can understand what our machines are actually doing.

/u/ringct

1 points

2 weeks ago

It's not mostly about the knowledge to inspect the code yourself, but the fact that someone out there has the capabilities to do so, and will (eventually) make things right.
Call it a cult, call it a blind belief, this is the only thing that is working in the REAL world.
Nothing is perfect, but you have an overly-pessimistic view on the topic. I tend to be pessimistic myself, but this is the only thing that gives me a little bit of hope in humanity and in a decent future.

/u/DaSnake

1 points

2 weeks ago*

With open source complex projects, eventually the quirks, bugs and security holes get ironed out for the most part even if that takes some time.
It's just the way things are and this is an emergent side effect stemming from the sheer size of the codebase some of these have.
Also some bugs and vulnerabilities are super niche and these too take time to to be discovered and exploited in the wild.
It is not perfect situation by far but it's better.
With that being said, closed source options are basically black boxes.

/u/DaSnake

1 points

2 weeks ago

There is no objective reason to trust anything closed source and/or profit based.
These "privacy influencers" are just tapping another niche and are essentially just entrepreneurs.

/u/amicursed

0 points

2 weeks ago

ok i don't trust x-vpn too then :)
what a promotion