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I lived the high life for 20 years with my msr. Thats 95% dead so my question is:
Where is it at today. What are the hot areas to work on?
Been in the kitkat for two years which is why i've no fucking idea.
Thanks
Well, Bank logs are where its at. Carding is eh, profitable but you can't make a living from doing it. There's a refund and return fraud that i specialize in, this is by far the easiest way to make money. All you'd have to do is buy an ipad for example. Allow me to refund it & then resell it for 70% profit since i charge a 30% service fee. ( You keep item and get refunded ) - for my dummies
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Do you believe that a full takeover of a Fullz, BCKGRD check. Phone in their name, em a i l, even forged docs and a physical ID. And doing open ups and cooking checks is more profitable than say buying logs, and learning to bypass 2FA and learning to use tools like genesis.market. Carding does not bring in a steady or very large amount of profit. So transfers and check fraud seem like the thing to fully dedicate one self too learning. I have always had a love/hate relationship with the fraud community because of the scams and lack of updated information. I know learning Ospec and the basics of the way banks raise red flags and what equipment or software is out of date. Which one seems better risk/reward.. with success rate
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Not that my opinion is worth the back half of a dry dick, i mean i'm just some guy, but if anyone's curious about my 2 cents, here it be:
I see a ton of back and forth about what's still viable and what's worth your time and what's better and on and on...truthfully though, if you spend long enough watching this forum with any degree of regularity, you notice that the only thing that's ever consistently true (besides noobs asking for free shit and scammers trying to shit in each others' food) is that successful genres of fraud, just like successful methods, come and go...they go in cycles, like waves, swelling and ebbing in popularity and effectiveness, sometimes seeming to disappear completely forever but not really, not forever...with maybe a few scarce exceptions, everything always comes back around eventually, because the struggle between us and the financial institutions we pit ourselves against is not a finite one with a scheduled end or designated conditions for victory...it's an ongoing struggle that will never end unless one day the banks all say you know what, fine, y'all just take all the money" or else all the people say "actually guys money is lame, i don't want any anyway, let's leave them alone...." Think of it like a UFC match between 2 invincible fighters with unlimited stamina... do you think those guys prepare for a match by planning out every punch and kick ahead of time, then just following the script because those were their best moves...no fighter worth his weight in piss would think they could win that way...i mean, it's laughable to even consider, right? that's because inherent in a contest like that is the need to react to your opponent, to adjust, adapt, evolve. If your opponent tries to punch you in the mouth, you don't just eat that shit...you block it, or dodge out of the way, or perhaps pull some crazy judo shit and turn his momentum against him and using his imbalance to do get him i a hold he will not enjoy. If you find you cannot land punches because your rival is too quick for you, you would never just continue to futilely throw haymakers in vain until you wore yourself out and were pounced on and destroyed like a wounded elephant being overwhelmed by a pack of starving hyenas...you slow down, take a step back, observe your foe, try to find a weekness, wait for an opening instead of trying to force one, look for an opportunity to use your size in a more effective way...you get the idea. We have the same sort of relationship with the moneyeers in the real world. Do you think the different methods and genres of fraud just sprang up out of nothing? no guys, after this many years into our ongoing history everything we do is reactive. Long ago, when people wanted the money the bank had but didn't want to earn it, they just went in with guns and took it all. Then the banks got tired of that shit so they developed defenses against it - more effective police forces, silent alarms, cameras, secure vaults to store the majority of the cash - and the robbers began getting arrested...then they got tired of that shit, so they got faster, started wearing masks, learned how to gain entry to the vaults more quickly and how to social engineer the bank employees to prevent them from using the silent alarms...and back and forth they went until eventually the bank robbing genre became too ineffective for many people to be interested in, but they still loved money, so they sat around and thought until eventually they figured out how to take the money electronically without even going to the bank! and it goes on and on and back and forth like that forever, somebody will come find a vulnerability and the banks will get fucked for a while, then they'll figure out how to patch it, but then somebody will find another one, and just like none of our methods last forever, none of their security measures do either guys, everything defense that was once thought insurmountable has eventually been overcome, but then ultimately replaced by something more effective... and that will be the case forever
My point is, to sit around arguing about which methods or which forms of fraud are still "worth it" is foolishness...for one thing, unless you are intimately familiar with every method another person is currently using for profit, you can never say with any confidence that they don't have some carding method that slipped through the cracks or was guarded carefully and never patched yet and they're making a killing with it. I will say that currently in our cycle carding is probably reaching the end of it's most recent hayday of popularity. 5 or 6 years ago, carding was synonymous with fraud....anything you did to take money from someone against their will over the internet was known as carding. it wasn't until later that the community grew so much bigger and other types of fraud so much more diverse that it made better sense to differentiate between the 2, and now carding has it's own special sub on dread that only has like 15% of the subscribers that come here lol...it's declining in popularity because many of the old carding techniques have been rendered ineffective and people started to move in other directions. So sure, the very basic concept of carding - buying shit with a stolen credit card and then selling that shit for profit - is not a very efficient way to make a living anymore, if actually supporting yourself and/or your family is what you are trying to accomplish - and right now provided you can learn how to get gather them inexpensively through spamming and cash them out with any consistency, bank logs are a tough animal to beat, because quite often a single log will have a balance available that most carders would be hard pressed to match with 8 or 9 separate successful orders. That being said, to say that carding itself is no longer a good way to make a living is just failing to use your imagination enough, and i can't blame you, when you see that carding has become more difficult in general and you look to your left and see joe crow cashing out 10k, 15k per log and hitting one every couple days, why would you turn back to carding and think but if we just focus really hard we can make THIS work again! it doesn't make sense lol....but i guarantee you there are still carding systems that can make you in the neighborhood of 5k -7500 per week consistently once they are properly set up - i know for sure because i've seen it in action - and come with the added bonus of not having to learn anything new, really, not having to deal with learning to spam (or trying to track down a reliable vendor selling logs, fucking yuck, who isn't tired of hearing/asking that fucking question lol...) Because honestly, not everybody enjoys the same things, that's why people get different jobs, study different things in school, take different career paths, knowing in advance which ones pay the best and which ones require the most work and which ones are more likely to be bring consistent success. still, offered multiple choices, we go different ways...always have, always will, and rather than disagree with each other about which way is better, we should be greatful the way our diversity fosters growth in the community and keeps things interesting for fucks sake...i mean honestly, if every single fraudster decided to start doing bank logs and only bank logs and we deleted all the subs except for the ones selling drugs and one big out about bank logs...how much time would you spend on her reading and commenting and interacting with people? Fucking none, most likely, because that would be boring as fuckall. Anyway i feel like this is an abrupt place to end but i'm tired of typing so i'm going to anyway, you get my point.
by the way if anybody is interested in that carding method that can earn 5k+ a week, well...i'm not going to share it here, obviously, and i'm not going to sell it either, but i do have it, the knowledge of the method and how it works and what you need to make it operate is all in my head. Whatever any f you choose to do in response to finding that out, well, that seems like something only you can control. lol
whether you are selling it or not im willing to learn im new and imwilling to throw money into this you seem genuine and want to help people so if i need to pay oranthing let me know
Is bank log cashing out more worth my time than carding? Expected cost/profit ratio and monthly intake for a newbie?
If you card, I have a few questions:
1) How far do you go on a card with a 15K balance? $400? 5-15%
2) Do you start a whole new VM every time you get new CC data or create a new user on the same VM?
Reccomended ways of finding cardable sites?
3)How the fuck do I pass Gmails constant need for a phone number to be attached to the account? I don't wanna use protonmail and flag my purchase for fraud.
Bank logs are the way to go.
1) As for carding i tend to stay below $500 for the best chances at success.
2) No, you can use the same VM
3) Use a burner phone on LTE and you'll always be able to bypass the required phone number.
i am not 100% on this, maybe about 90% (i think i did it earlier today making a new gmail but i am very tired so i might be dreaming lol) but i'm pretty confident that when gmail asks you for a phone number to link to your account it doesn't have to be a unique number....as in, you can have the same mobile number linked to all your gmail accounts....honestly there's no reason for them to disallow this. they know people have multiple gmail accounts, it's not against their policy, and it's not like they think all these normies have 8 different cell phone lines to support all their gmail accounts lol