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READ NOW: Clarification of the NO FUD and NO DOXXING community rules : Dread | Torhoo darknet markets

So the past couple days have shown we need some clarification on rule 4 and rule 5.

The rules are

4) No sharing of fear mongering content, with no factual basis or evidence. (AKA NO FUD)
5) No direct personal information of any individual. (AKA NO DOXXING)

These rules main purpose is to keep the communities toxicity down, keep people safe, and to prevent innocent people from having their personal information posted. Like all rules there is a balance which should be kept to allow open discussion and people to be able to speak their mind even if it is against the norms. However from DOXXES being linked instead of being posted and the confusion on what is counted as a DOX (like tracking numbers) and overall what is FUD leads to quite a lot of confusion. I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible so people can get the clarification they need and reassurance that we will act when someone rule breaks.

Starting with rule 4. The main point of this rule is to keep trolls at by and to keep the toxicity with blind claims down. And example of the FUD rule is saying "[username] is compromised" with no context or anything to back it up. FUD at the core is a big claim which makes people concerned that is not backed up by factual basis. If, for example, someone said a person is compromised but then posts a reputable link to back up that claim it is not FUD and will not be removed by dread staff. That doesn't mean it can't be removed by the subdread moderators so know where you are posting it and who controls the subdread. FUD is caused to divide people and create fear. If you make a claim on dread pertaining to a specific person, entity, or organization which creates fear in people you need to be able to back up that claim with real proof. Hersey information is not proof ("I got this information from a friend"), site's you control and direct to as "proof" is not proof, generally speaking handpicked screenshots are not proof either. Rule 4 does not say "all claims need to have a backing of verifiable factual evidence" but it does mean if your claim creates fear with no context or reputable sources it will be removed and the user making the claim may be banned for it.

Rule 5 is a very important rule which most people can understand and reason with. A DOX is private personal information that directly identifies a person. This can be an image of a face, a full name, specific city locations, phone numbers, their distinguishing features of their body, where their drop location is, tracking numbers, where people go generally, their close friends information. This list is non-exhaustive. Basically if it can be used to directly identify anyone then it shouldn't be on dread. If you are a vendor and someone scammed you and you post the scammers information you are breaking rule 5 and darknet market rules which will get you banned everywhere. This rule does not include information which is public. Ross Ulbricht is Dread Pirate Roberts and operated Silk Road is not a DOX because that is public information which can be found easily on the clearnet. Information which are in external links and their content are counted in our rules. If you post a link to child porn you are breaking the child porn rule. If you post a link to a DOX you are breaking the DOX rule. Just because it is not directly posted on dread doesn't mean it isn't breaking dread's rules.

At the core these rules are to reduce toxicity in the community and to prevent innocent people's personal information from being posted openly. Right now this clarification is in effect. If you broke the rules in the past we won't ban you for what you did in the past when you didn't have a full understanding of this clarification. But now going forward, to reduce toxicity and to prevent innocent people's personal information from being posted know that if you break these rules you will get punished for them. Either post removal, timeout, or permanent ban. There may not be any warnings and repeated offenders or new accounts will get permanent bans.

If you see a problem with my logic or what i have said please leave it as a comment below. I can be wrong and that is ok. Improving to become better is what innovation is all about. Let's innovate together and make sure our community is healthy and not trying to eat each other.
/u/supcap
3 points
5 years ago
seems legit. Cheers, thanks for keeping up the moderation.
/u/[deleted]
-10 points
5 years ago
/u/Paris A perfect ending would be: Down manipulating other users or cloning accounts, will result in a permanent ban as well.

You've done a good job so far regarding those two things, buuuuut..... Just to Clarify it :)

What do you think :)?
/u/502zz
2 points
5 years ago
Thank you for telling the person who has to clean up your garbage that they're doing a good job. It shows you're a humble individual. :)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
He is doing a very well job, not only for me but for everyone who needs help with anything that shouldn't be asked for in first place - log on your main account if you'd like to continue the conversation.

/u/Stackz420 - If that's you buddy, don't be that guy.
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
This is my main account man, quit being so toxic. I guess this is why I see people having problems with you
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
If you compare my vocabulary with everyone in /chaos, then you're mistaken about the meaning of the word "Toxic".
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
/u/Stackz420 - Please verify this isn't your alt account. We both know what you can and I assume you know what I can.

How we decide to deal with data is different, but i'm sure we don't want to be bad friends. I don't perceive you as "that person" so far.

I'm back later and I hope we're still on same wavelength :)
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
Fuck off and look at my post history instead of making threats while claiming not to be toxic. Absolute twat.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
I did analyze you - don't worry :)

That's the first thing I do when talking to a new alt or main account.

Afk 3 hours
/u/MonopolyOfficial
4 points
5 years ago
[removed]
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago*
#Google and whoever you are - it was all fake information.

No matter how bad you want me off Dread then we all know it was random shared information, which will not happen again due to this recent post written my Paris.

I wish you all a good day/evening.

Ps. If you think I got your correct information, then you're fucked already. If I can do it, LE have your information ages ago then, lol.

#OPSEC is important.

#I don't DOXX people
/u/MonopolyOfficial
1 points
5 years ago*
[removed]
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
shhhhh go back to /Chaos
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
/chaos has in fact no rules.

Commented on: CocaineBrain NoBelli Peace Price Announcement
4 days ago in /d/Chaos • 1 points
There's no rules here do what you want
3 hours ago

Commented on: Someone Explain.
2 weeks ago* in /d/Chaos • 1 points
Insipired by the looting and riots this is /d/chaos. Everyone is a mod and there's no rules.

Basically when you're bored and want a sub to fuck

Explain this? You guys are breaking the rules daily. You guys are trash talking /u/paris in that thread(saying things like we're fucking each other or something similar), and now you dare to cry for help?

I only have one thing to say, the thing you guys always say when tagging me to troll: Go fuck yourself and stop crying you sensitive prick -How's that?

Dumb ass
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
/d/chaos is rude, vulgar, shameless. You act prim & proper, better than the masses of trolls, but not 12 hours ago I saw you try & dox someone then come on this thread and post about what a great job Paris is doing. Two sides of the same coin, man.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
I took some random Data from google.com and he knows that.

In case I am wrong, then tell him to come here and prove that i'm wrong.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
This is by no mean a threat but never underestimate someone you don't know online - I know nothing about computers.

Just in case you piss someone off who actually does - a little tip for free(think about it).

Be back later my good "friend" :)

have a lovely upcoming evening :)
/u/502zz
3 points
5 years ago
This is the first interaction I've had with you and I can see you're an insufferable person :)
Making threats in a friendly manner and acting like you aren't trying to intimidate users is in itself cowardly :)
Thank you for analyzing me for free, my insurance doesn't cover that :)
Have a good life :)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Everyone can click your name and read the history... Multiple tagging and trashing was made by you. Posting all here would be spamming - I don't spam nor do I doxx
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
I only posted those in /d/chaos, and per your own post:
I haven't done anything against the rules, have I? Maybe I should join /Chaos "the place with no rules"
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Can you prove that this isn't straight from google aka fake data?

if you can't then it's FUD. However, Paris did make this new announcement, so we're all gonna follow that, obviously.

I suggested to add something else to the announcement as well, and suddenly you(alt account) popped up - end of story.

I will reply to your non-sense comments once i'm back from hacking NSA.

#Sarcasm is a real thing sometimes.
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
For me to prove that isn't fake data would require me to dox someone, no?
Clearly this account was an alt in it for the long con, posting reviews and helpful information for the last 2 weeks until coming across the great Belli_91.
#Sarcasm is a real thing sometimes.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Listen if you don't provide evidence, then everyone can lie - use your brain. Adios.
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
If someone doesn't provide evidence then there is no proof and they could be lying? Wow! Thank you for dropping that amazing knowledge on me #ForFree. Am I supposed to provide evidence that I'm not an alt or that the data you posted is fake? I can only fit so much in my busy schedule.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Prove that what I provided was about that person - or we got nothing else to talk about.

Signing off - My love.
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
That's ass backwards and this is the fifth time you've "signed off." If you're going to leave, leave.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
I'll be back with flowers to you
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
Wait, is this about you feeling the need to get the last word in? If that's the case feel free to reply but this will be me "signing off."

Sincerely,
Algernon
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Signing off :)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Dude I don't need to be home to be on Dread - I am everywhere at the same time - smart, yeh? :)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago*
An analysis can mean a lot of things. I'll leave that for your imagination.

#I don't doxx people
#I am as clean as it gets :)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Commented on: lets put chaos to work
1 week ago in /d/Chaos • 1 points
mass upvote & apologies on 1 post, then let him cry about positive vote manipulation
/u/[deleted]
0 points
5 years ago
Isn't that a straight ban? - I suggest you shut your mouth before I stop being calm.
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago*
Your grasp of comedy is... poor. The OP of that thread said "almighty, lets organize something. Nothing destructive, just something funny that might confuse some people. lets discuss in the comments, what shal we do! "

I saw posts about you complaining about people downvoting you so I said it would be funny for people to upvote a single post very high.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
It's not about downvoting anymore. It's about me trying to help your brain so you can behave as a mature individual in the society.

#Forfree
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
I suggest you shut your mouth before I stop being calm.

Threatening someone and immediately accusing them of being an alt troll #MatureIndividual
Thanks, lots of food for thought #ForFree
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Commented on: lets put chaos to work
1 week ago in /d/Chaos • 1 points
mass upvote & apologies on 1 post, then let him cry about positive vote manipulation

This means I would not talk to you nice anymore :) - You need to be able to read between the lines, if you know what I mean :)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
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/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
This post is giving me flashbacks about something very similar i already was part of in real life years ago when i was young :D
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
After all what you guys have been doing - I can do what I want without compromising anyone's identity, which I didn't.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
I sense a scared person :)
/u/502zz
1 points
5 years ago
You're must be stupid or autistic to have read this conversation thinking you came out on top, then chose to come back 8 hours later to try and keep it going lmao. After telling me you were leaving five times I assumed this was done. If you want to continue this start a fresh talking point otherwise you can go back to being the butt of dread's jokes. Clearly you are insecure, seen by the need to keep coming back posting multiple times hours later, posting one line responses so you can get the last word in, and your inability to handle people talking shit without crying to an admin. I would hate to be a bulk customer of yours because if you get caught you'll be singing like a canary selling out every person you know.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
We're not all perfect - sorry for being insecure.
I really hope that I wont get caught for my own safety.

My customers already know that they have nothing to fear, because I do in fact not store any logs, so if you purchase a 2nd time, I will be asking you about your address again.

What a wonderful world :)

Signing off - League of Legends.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
its called /d/chaos and has rules how much more fucking clear can it be? someone sounds salllltyy
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago*
Your boss is clearly stating that there are no rules:

Commented on: CocaineBrain NoBelli Peace Price Announcement
4 days ago in /d/Chaos • 1 points
There's no rules here do what you want

Everything that comes out of /Chaos is straight up lies - Microphone dropped!
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Commented on: Someone Explain.
2 weeks ago* in /d/Chaos • 1 points
Insipired by the looting and riots this is /d/chaos. Everyone is a mod and there's no rules.

Basically when you're bored and want a sub to fuck around in
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
No rules, yeh :)?
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Doxxing is a false accusation. I took something random from the internet since he was begging for me to put something out - "read my history", so I obviously took something for fun and then he started lying about it's his identity.

That guy is crazy: no name, no address, no phone-number, I didn't mention his mom or anything that could be traced back to him since it was fake information.

However, this will not continue since Paris did set the rules with this post, so now I am aware of it :)
/u/EUAlpz
1 points
5 years ago
Literally everyone who has been on Dread has as some kind of conflict with /u/Belli_91 ... A new rule on Dread should be: being /u/Belli_91 is banned.

Belli you constantly get into issues and there must be a reason for that. Look for it.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
If you continue - you'll be the next target :)

I don't Doxx, don't worry :) - I scare people who doesn't get it after the 10th attempt of being nice.

Try my me out and let's see :) - I only play League of Legends :)
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
You one of those guys that believe 1 person is the same as every other user on this forum? Like only stackz420 makes comments?
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
I don't think it's him since I had a rational conversation with him privately about something else, and his vocabulary can't be compared to the alt account.

#Not-Him-Confirmed.
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
Haha good, I like the ''not him confirmed statements!''
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
#imacompletefuckingfaggotforusinghashtagsorima12yearoldgirl
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
holy fuck /u/502zz just put you down like a dog
/u/AlexanderTheGreat
2 points
5 years ago
[removed]
/u/vibecheck
1 points
5 years ago
It's about the shit on /d/Chaos
/u/noodlemckinley
1 points
5 years ago
they hate me now, lol post/9ec8d828fcfb60d58f20
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
ITS ALL OF IT. it is too HUGE things that have come into play and drove a huge amount of controversy
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Everything is considered HUUGE compared to your dick - no wonder you're surprised.

#Growadick
/u/DomesticXanax
1 points
5 years ago
can someone please explain wtf is going on here please
/u/noodlemckinley
1 points
5 years ago
/d/Chaos joins people as mods then they cant leave and have to listen to kids shit posting all day
/u/DomesticXanax
1 points
5 years ago
sounds right thanks for putting it into words
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
but kids usually use names like /u/noodlemckinley so?
/u/noodlemckinley
1 points
5 years ago
auto generated name from Empire, didnt want to use my reddit name because i dont know what reddit turned over to LE when the ban hammer happened.
/u/TqsR4Nd0m1zedU5erN4m39FsM
1 points
5 years ago*
I think I can explain. You see, in the meatspace, people rise up in the dope game not only by having quality product, but also through integrity, insight into other people's motives, and most importantly... the ability to keep cool under pressure. Also, outside the internet one's reputation is everything. You can pull a scam, you can snitch, but word gets around, and people won't do business with you anymore, or worse. In the darknet, you can just create a new identity. Additionally, it seems like there's a lot of people here who don't have much experience outside of the dnms, who haven't seen all the, as an older friend of mine calls it "okie doke bullshit" that people pull. So selective scammers and exit scammers and emotionally immature people are able to build up some decent businesses here when in real life, they would have never managed to hold on to money long enough to get anywhere.

I mean seriously, this platform and scene in general needs self-moderation. I can't even believe the kind of whiny bullshit I've read in these forums. People need to get themselves under control. It shouldn't even need to be stated that a vendor should not doxx a customer. In real life that would be the end for a dealer, no second chance, they're done. How is this even a question. Vendors should keep their customers info long enough to make a shipping label and destroy it. If one ever gives any indication that they treat that information with any less sensitivity, the community should eject them and let the next one try to do better.

And people talk shit about dealers all the time. Ive seen some vendors take that shit way too personal and try to link up their customers to forum accounts. I mean, wtf, people are gonna talk their shit... about everyone they buy from. So what, unless they're a particularly shitty person to work with, they'll get about the same amount of negative attention as everyone else.

People need to check their egos and take advantage of the security these platforms provide. Not try to emulate the dope game on the street. The whole point of this shit was to rise above all of that and connect people with the products they want discreetly, at a reasonable price, and with consistent quality and purity. Don't puff up their chests and try to act hard because they ain't gonna show anyone shit but that they can't keep their cool.

Unfortunately, so many people use the markets and never read the forums. And vendors don't utilize the security tools available to them nor do they encourage their customers to use them. They are in a position to raise the bar. But instead of ignoring orders made from a cellphone through one of those tor proxy websites or vpn gateway with a plaintext address, they start taking direct deals on popular messaging apps because it's easy.
/u/columnmysterious
1 points
4 years ago
I think this sums it up perfectly. well said.
"Ive seen some vendors take that shit way too personal and try to link up their customers to forum accounts." lol I know, taking it way to far lol these ppl have too much free time. the best vendors hardly post on the forums
/u/shitstain2
1 points
5 years ago
Someone entered the sandbox and didn't bring own toy
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
U know that could have been you right? Just keep doing what you are doing and that will not happen! I am glad you calmed yourself down a bit.
/u/AlexanderTheGreat
1 points
5 years ago
[removed]
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
You could have been doxxed a long time ago. I been hearing u are sending ur personal info to many people. Be careful, is all im saying.
/u/AlexanderTheGreat
1 points
5 years ago
[removed]
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
Mate, you said in PM u got my personal information. Dont make me do another Eclipse post. Add my jabber right now if u wanna fix this.

TimothyLeary@Jabb.im
This topic is overdue and strongly needed here. Doxxing in particular seems to be the number one response when someone has been or believes that they have been scammed, be it customer or vendor. Doxxing NEVER helps any situation. It only serves to assist LE so it is actually snitching. No one has ever said that the other party remedied the situation due to their doxxing of him.
/u/[deleted]
2 points
5 years ago*
be more harsh on the fudders then like /u/stack420 and /u/samculper /u/crackheaddom101 pleds who never have proof until the last second IF ANY. ANY post regarding any exposure of any-type should have full proof
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
Fuck bro yet our "FUD" somehow becomes truth/is truth Its okay buddy your fighting this by yourself!
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
oh yes because people love you're bullshit you preach everyday. keep living in a fairy world loser.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
talk to me on your main acc ty
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l take that l
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
You bet I am - and stop begging me for 500 dollars for being a part of your subdread.

I will not pay you anything, lol.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
2 points
5 years ago
You want me to upload a screenshot of you saying " I will pay you 500Usd instead of a market" just because we declined your offer to do Direct Deals on DNMUK and you have an issue haha oh my god
/u/[deleted]
0 points
5 years ago
Followed by it was a joke and if you really cared about your subdread, then you would do everything you could in order to provide them what they are asking for.

Instead you wanted 500 dollars, very selfish and shouldn't be modding that subdread. Remember I got screenshots too that will make you look very silly.

Don't worry though - /Reviews and /Opiates allowed me to advertise so i'm all good now. You have a nice day.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
post them screenshot or you just FUD right now, I think i got screenshots of you telling me you want to pay US for DD on DNMUK, i wonder how much did /u/KingBarthurOfXanalot get paid to confirm your legit? Huh haha please stop playing games Paris wants screenshot of this "fud" that u will try to play on me i have screenshot saved buddy
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Did I pay you anything? /u/majoredinhippy

Did I pay you anything? /u/KingBarthurOfXanalot
/u/majoredinhippy
1 points
5 years ago
Wait I was meant to get money?
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Thanks for confirming lol
/u/majoredinhippy
1 points
5 years ago*
I also keep screenshots of all my interactions for /u/Paris. https://i.ibb.co/m4DLbx2/image-1.jpg
Never got paid for shit. Stop spreading FUD.

EDIT - OFC I will get defensive over such accusations, do note I am unbiased as a Chaotic member myself but I have a fucking job as a moderator to put that behind myself and work to further more opportunities in advancing a sub-dread that I operate. Thank you for your consideration, and long live my addiction to trap meat.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago*
Are you fucking retarded? You fucking came me spreading fucking FUD of how i asked you for money you fucking utter retard!
https://ibb.co/1Zp9M7B


( Sorry i thought Beli the retard posted this and this why i asked you if he paid you becuase he offered us so made us think he prob paid you! ) we can solve it in PM
Hope off my case retard
/u/KingBarthurOfXanalot
1 points
5 years ago
Don't drag me into this pile of shit. I just marked him trusted since he hasn't had any scam reports yet. I've already said I don't like the DD situation but he seems to hold up his end of the bargain.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
Haha just using you an example if hes offering money who else he could be offering money too :)
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
Where is the doxxes little man. U so hype, i should call you hyper.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
I ADDED YOU ON JABBER YOU DIDN'T and you tried to guess my identity 6 other times and always are wrong suck on my cock
/u/UNREASONABLE
2 points
5 years ago
Let me get this straight just so I understand.

Posting anyone's name, address, phone number, CC numbers, SSNs, etc, is against the rules. It sounds like speculating on this information is also against the rules, and presumably it'd be against the rules to discuss it in PMs on-site. It's also against the rules to link to such content when it's available elsewhere.

If that's the policy, why is discussion of fraud (how to commit it, where to buy personally identifying information, etc) allowed? What is the point of your stated goal - "to prevent innocent people's personal information from being posted openly" - if not to protect innocent people?

Maybe you should just admit that you don't have a handle on this forum anymore. You're just doing damage control, this has nothing to do with protecting innocent people.
/u/Paris 📢 A
2 points
5 years ago
The point is about preventing people information from being publically posted in the open and that information used to increase the amount of FUD on the forum.

We don't allow transactions on dread. You can discuss openly what you want as long as it doesn't break the rules.
/u/majoredinhippy
1 points
5 years ago
/d/Fraud, /d/Carding etc all have their own subset of rules hopefully expanding off the No Doxxing rule. Imho, I haven't seen anything identifiable that would hurt others and usually fraud is a innocent crime, of which most banks and companies have monetary insurance.

Still, it is a touch and go situation and it can spiral out of control though I am unsure on how closely watched those subs are.
/u/UNREASONABLE
4 points
5 years ago
I hate drug dealers and I hate carders, but I can at least respect that a heroin dealer understands that what they're doing is wrong and just does it anyway. The way carders pussy foot around what they're doing by saying "we're just stealing from the bank in the end, it's all good!" is a simple justification that allows these cretins to sleep at night without confronting the reality of their deeds.
/u/majoredinhippy
0 points
5 years ago*
A heroin dealer kills people though with adulterants, show me where carding has killed? I am on the same boat as you, but I believe everyone to be evil or mislead at one stage, it doesn't make the crime you've committed anymore then what it is, CRIME.

I sell drugs, stolen accounts but I avoid selling cards for a reason. that whole community is fucked, their thieves by nature so that one buyer screaming "DEAD CARD REFUND PLS" most likely already used the card and wants more.

See, I do know, am I oblivious to fraud? I try to look the other way, just so much as they leave me and my business alone.

EDIT: I do take full responsibility for my actions & crimes, whether the fraud community does or doesn't has no business with me.
/u/UNREASONABLE
1 points
5 years ago
Well, as long as you've found a way to feel superior to the other darknet scum, that's all that really matters in the end.
/u/majoredinhippy
2 points
5 years ago
vice versa ;)
/u/gunsndogs
1 points
5 years ago
I will assume you cant see the extreme irony in making that statement.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
At the end of the day: You steal from the mafia also known as banks.

#Fucklobbyism
#Keepdoingwhatyouaredoing.
/u/fuckupdog
2 points
5 years ago
Where is the line with someone new wanting to post warning about something and getting called 'fud' by the scammer who often hold mod positions on certain subs?
/u/Paris 📢 A
2 points
5 years ago
The line is if they can explain and provide evidence for their warning. Just saying "[user] is a scammer" without context or anything is FUD. But if they go "I ordered from [user] on [market] with the order number being [number] and I didn't receive the package. If you see his dispute ratio it's far more now. Stay away guys!" Is not FUD. It is to be noted these rules are just a baseline for dread and subdread moderators can choose to build and moderate their own subdread however they like as long as the site rules are included.

If a moderator of one sub you regard as a scammer well you should post somewhere else.
/u/fuckupdog
2 points
5 years ago
>order number

So they have to provide identifying information and can have vendor take revenge on them. Well thought out!

>If a moderator of one sub you regard as a scammer well you should post somewhere else.

What if the moderators are the scammers? Or the moderators are LE again, you know like the last time....

You either have a free speech platform or you dont. What you are doing is having shit people in moderator roles. They are getting blow back on highly suspect behavior, and the answer is to silence all dissent. Do you ever ask yourself why they are sucking up to you so much?
/u/Paris 📢 A
2 points
5 years ago
Order number on the market. Not tracking number of the package. Sharing the order number provide reassurance that you in fact did make a order and is a way to check what they say is true. If they can't provide something like that then did they really make an order?

Moderators control specific subdreads. If you post elsewhere they can't control that.
/u/fuckupdog
2 points
5 years ago
>Order number

Which vendor can see! Which they have dox attached to that order number. And now people have to worry if vendor will do shit to them for speaking out. Result a lot people will be fearful of speaking out. Terrible for harm reduction. And bad for this site in general too.

>Moderators control specific subdreads. If you post elsewhere they can't control that.

Translation "I allow scammers to operate popular subs if they stick their nose far up my ass" Fucking slack.

You will regret being like this and it will bite you in the ass. I have the dogs I have issues with lined up, they are fucked. But this place is going to have major problems with weak leadership like this.
/u/Paris 📢 A
4 points
5 years ago
If a vendor proceeds to public DOX it's game over for them. They would be banned everywhere. Let alone what blackmail material would a vendor who didn't send the product (or even the incorrect product) would have over any buyer. The buyer would just get rid whatever was send and there would be nothing to hook that specific person to whatever the vendor said. It's a balance. If they don't want to post because they fear the vendor will be a scumbag they can just message the moderators or dread staff with proof that it isn't FUD and all is good. We would leave a comment, it would back up their claims, and the knowledge would get out there reasonably.

What people don't really understand is most times when someone reports a scammer they just said "oh this guy is a scammer, ban, remove, sacrifice their first born to satan" without much of anything to back it. We have had times in the past where competing vendors have reported that a vendor is a scammer just to create FUD. If someone reports a vendor is a scammer guess what the vendor will say "I'm not scammer." We are not a market and we don't operate with complete information. As such when someone reports scammers we generally do fuck all about it because both can lie. That is not to say we support scammers, we don't want scammers and if a report comes with with enough information to say this person is a scammer we do act and limit their permissions, an example of this is what happened in the fraud sub. A moderator was offering a guide and training and basically gave nothing at all just grabbed the money and stopped responding. If you got an issue with a moderator don't post it in an area they control. It's simple and I don't know why your underwear is in a knot about it.

If I removed every moderator someone said was a scammer or is compromised or is someone else there would be practically no moderators left on dread. If you should be able to be an adult on here where I don't need to hold your hand and say "oh everything is fine here this is a safe space." No this is the darknet. Far from a safe space. Anyone can be whoever the fuck they want with little downsides to fuck over others.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
I contact you on jabber /u/Paris still waiting for a reply :)
/u/Paris 📢 A
1 points
5 years ago
Just send me a PM on dread. My jabber is consistently swamped that I haven't really been remoting in to see it as much as I should.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
Yeah i messaged you there now
/u/[deleted]
-1 points
5 years ago*
Don't message him half the conversation

Paris if he deleted something then restore it and see what I did say, lol. I told him in the end that I will not pay anything - it was kinda a setup. I told him that he cares more about the money than providing what people in his subdread are requesting.

I am not stupid(even though you think I am), I know what to say, and what shouldn't be said.


/u/crackheaddom101 Can you explain why you deleted your PM? :)

/u/crackheaddom101 The One and Only 1 points
4 days ago
Well you better start replying to pms ;)
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I rejected one of your five request, which was 500 dollars in order to sell, and that was after I told you that I changed my mind and wasn't gonna pay you.

/u/Belli_91 1 points
4 days ago*
Nevermind guys, can't sell here.

I won't accept the mod's requests in the PM. Good luck with the Alprazolam though.

Sorry but there's only one to blame.

Kind regards
Belli_91/Belli91

/u/Paris can see the logs even if you delete them - now you know.

#FUD-is against the rules
/u/crackheaddom101 P
2 points
5 years ago
FUD? LOOOL Buddy theres a screenshot about you willing to pay it doesnt matter if i ever " Asked for 500 " just irrelevant when u offered for DIRECT DEAL and declined bud. you just wanna contiunewith your argument so badly that everyone is already bored of your shit
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
There is but you deleted the rest where I clearly stated that I didn't want to pay you anything - Wanted to see if you cared about your SubDread, or if money was all you were after.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
Aye aye aye, money money money I might aswell be called archer
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
You're doing very good for your community by acting like that as a MOD - well done buddy, lol.

But if you really need the 500 dollars due to people losing their jobs, then I will gladly help you if you need some bread or "MILK"

I'll ignore you from now on - have a lovely life, love :)
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
Acting like what? Not allowing you to Direct Deal ? LOL away on kid
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
You pay me 500 dollars and you can get a trial, LOL. I'm gonna see if I can find it :)
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
Yet i have screenshot here you saying you will pay us 500 to allow you to DD? I just cant post it untill other mod approves i can show it.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
You mean you can't post it because it's edited. I know what we both wrote and people can believe what they want :)

Have a good night - Off to play League of Legends, wish me good luck :)
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
i got screenshot of the whole mod mail bud and mod can verify this LOL! goodnight buddy hope you de-rank
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
I'm so happy for you. By the way: Anything you do or say will not affect my sales - you're promoting me indirectly without even realizing lol.

Cya :)
/u/[deleted]
0 points
5 years ago
When did I offer 500 people any directs deals on Dread?
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
Theres a screenshot just stop fucking texting me amount constantly holy fuck
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Show me the screenshot - I wanna see it. Because the one you sent me was cut, so no one could see the rest :)
/u/Ukcannalis
1 points
5 years ago
heyyy im lucy

had a wanderfull expirience yesterday
after recieving a tracking number for my package
i tracked and my delivery address on it was correct
i was shocked i only discover latter that my package has been mistakenly delivered to my neighbour
and my stuffs in the package was not complete as i payed for
who can i suspect
1.delivery company
2.my sender
3.my neighbour
/u/fuckupdog
1 points
5 years ago*
Mate what you are doing is bringing in shitty unworkable rule. To protect shitty mods who hijack community for their own gain.

All those hoops you are talking about are insane. The majority of buyers are buying personal to their homes. You are silencing the majority. They are not going to stop using drugs to 'clean' house and worry about getting doxxed by scammers. The scams will just go unchecked.

Besides there a million reason why people might want to post warning or complaints. That may not be directly linked to a single buy with an order number attached.

Censorship like this is bad road to go down. The community will decide what is bullshit and what is not. Let the people make up their own minds and not let a select few decide who gets to see what. If things are bullshit they will get called out as such. If things makes sense then people can choose to believe.

The complaint these mods are making is not even about bad vendor reviews. Its about people making complaints about them that they want to silence. They have manipulated you in to these rules under guise of protecting vendors from fud reviews. But what they want to use this rule for is protect themselves and their shitty behavior. Silence all dissent against their fucked scams and schemes.

You are just taking the easy road. Grow some balls and protect YOUR platform and YOUR community. Its easy for you now but its gonna result in bigger problems down the road. I cant believe you are so short sighted that you cannot see this.
/u/Paris 📢 A
1 points
5 years ago
OK so tell me what would you do to prevent people from blindly saying whatever the fuck they want to create drama and FUD? A rule that can't be abused by anyone for their own gain and will allow productive discussion. For example what rule would you make to disallow "/u/fuckupdog is a fed and child molester" but allow "/u/fuckupdog is a scumbag just look at these dread PMs. [links]"
/u/majoredinhippy
1 points
5 years ago
you're losing an up hill battle paris.. This guy just needs to be banned for his continued FUD posts.
You have all the screenshots from the loser when he got social engineered, I made the correct choice and removed theblackpope, then I WAS the SCAMMER when I didnt bow down to them and exposed their bullshit, then when I left the moderator position (due to getting a job with a market, as you set out in your messages) they attacked /u/venetiansnares, then when VS left they attacked Gurkin.

BRB grabbing all the evidence I need to back my claims up.
/u/fuckupdog
1 points
5 years ago
>OK so tell me what would you do to prevent people from blindly saying whatever the fuck they want to create drama and FUD?

The thing is you cant. You can try and it will likely not work anyway. But in trying you trade it for another problem, a worse problem that is much more damaging for your platform.

The solution is keeping dread a 'free speech' platform as much as possible. Take the FUD campaign against Dread by GP cunts. Did that work? No. Was it annoying as fuck? Yes. What made them fail was people hearing what they had to say. The community decided they were fud and they got laughed off. All their posts would just get clowned from then on.

If you strongly censor it gives them oxygen to cry censorship. Then people think why is paris/mod censoring this and people wonder why. If they just see their shit they can go 'ok its bullshit I dont believe it'. The more they try to push it the more people thinks its just annoying shilling/fud and it fail. They become joke like GP.

If you want to stomp drama and bullshit in active country dedicate boards do not have mods from that country mod. Its just a recipe for disaster/drama. Its almost always a vendor or someone with other motives. Even if they dont start that way they end up there pretty quick.

A solution is to offers mods roles on another country. Switch country A mods with Country B mods.. If they are not open to this, why? Are they not interested in helping the dread platform? Or are they only interested in specific country because they have their own agenda.

Rotating mods on important subs is good way to stop corruption of platform in general. Even if its first 6 months as mod and then they can pick and choose. Not all subs just ones important ones to platform.

Currently the sub I'm talking about its just randos being made mod by voting. No way that could be rigged and compromised, lol. Or the guy replying below, the guy who admins kicked off mod team because he worked for scam market, lol. You have current mods who were made mods by mods that have been kicked off lol. Its a clown show and now its 'fud' to point out their bullshit.

I'll save you trouble australians are the fucking worst. They have been doing since the australian subs on reddit and its always being shitshow of non-stop drama. They are dogs and scammers that wont go away. Im not advocating for myself or anyone. Im telling you they are all fucked and only way is to rid the lot of them from control and have neutrals.
/u/noodlemckinley
1 points
5 years ago
People are going to break it, I guarantee it.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
[removed]
/u/Paris 📢 A
1 points
5 years ago
And that is a break of the FUD rule.
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
U must be joking or something. Check the guy spamming my PM's, telling me he is gonna dox me.. Hes right below us. Feapij3eoimfw........
/u/1LLn3SS
1 points
5 years ago
[removed]
/u/SamCulper
1 points
5 years ago
That is not monopoly at all actually. Its a Different market admin. /u/paris has the jabber convo of that admin admitting to it.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
0 points
5 years ago
Just proved my point ruining dread 2020
/u/[deleted]
3 points
5 years ago
or you're insane person who won't shut his mouth about bullshit get mad you can't make up bullshit anymore go back to ur cave you pled.
/u/crackheaddom101 P
1 points
5 years ago
On my way bb g
/u/deleted
1 points
5 years ago
Well I was late. What happened? /u/SamCulper
/u/BigFatCat
1 points
5 years ago
Paris is cool IF YOURE A CHAIN SMOKING ACROBAT
/u/db7
1 points
5 years ago
Cheers buddy, thank you
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
/u/Paris can you just lock this sticky lol
Great post that needed to be addressed but now its just mainly Belli and 502 arguing nd people bashing Chaos...Don't get me wrong I love watching drama go down but not on a serious post.

Stop arguing and pointing fingers and JUST FOLLOW THE RULES.
(Plus y'all look like a bunch of narcs pointing fingers and saying names)

-Mushyy
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
But /Chaos isn't bashing everything and everyone else, and tells /u/Paris himself to suck my dick and the other way around, yet you need him now? You guys are the virus of Dread, and that Subdread should have been deleted long ago.

It only contributes to hatred.

Everyone can see that, unless you're a Chaos.
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
I am a part of chaos but i don't get into the politics on it...I just fuck around and say off the wall shit. usually where I go when i'm really fucked up. lol

Only thing I don't like about Chaos is the all the up voting....I worked hard for my points by educating,reviews,advice of opsec, and shit like that. Yet you can go to chaos and say Belli sucks fat balls and get 6 up votes...(No offense Belli)
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
So you're saying that they are manipulating with the up-votes in /Chaos? Nothing to do with you - just to clarify it 100%.
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
Manipulating is a strong word...
Manipulating would be like if every post on a thread had 10-20 up votes...If something like that was happening Paris or some admin would of stepped in by now.

Like I said I don't get into politics but I wouldn't say there manipulating...its just /Chaos being /Chaos
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago*
They did down-vote me 120 times within 4 days - Paris did restore it, so he is well aware - trust me :)

They cloned my account 5 times ish - those alt accounts got banned.

Like I said before: /Chaos is the Corona of Dread

Edit: I am still getting down-voted. So they are definitely manipulating, and guess what? They're all done my alts - Do I have to explain more :)?
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
If there's more to explain then sure...

I'm not a admin so not much I can do except listen to your side of the story
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
There is a quite long text i've saved that will show you who's clearly behind everything, since those people did PM and admitted everything - very smart. I will provide it to you privately in an encrypted message, if you promise not to share it here.

It has been shared once and we don't need more people from /Chaos to cry. You will understand why the subdread /Chaos was created after reading what I have.

Ps. This has nothing to do with Doxxing, but to show you people's true face.
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
Sure I'll take a look at it with my eyes only
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
my pgp is in my profile
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
So what do you think? Was that acceptable?
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
I had to get off dread and do some business and the msg expired, I thought you was just gonna use my pgp key and go that route....Your welcome to resend it today.

My bad,
Mushyy
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Don't take this personally but I deleted the encrypted link due to your activity in /Chaos.

I hope you'll understand why I did it. I believe you do know exactly what's going on in there and why I felt like not sharing it with someone from that Subdread - no hard feelings though.

Kind regards
Belli_91/Bell91
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
I use it to mainly take a break from business and just bullshit with other members like literally we just did a review on Real mayo and Miracle Whip...Was a blast.

Although I do understand your concern and respect it and won't push it.

Best of luck,
Mushyy
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
Thanks for understanding.
/u/TTTz 3 year Allstar Trophy
1 points
5 years ago
Real Mayo 100% all the way.
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
REALLY!? I thought you agreed on miracle whip!?
/u/TTTz 3 year Allstar Trophy
1 points
5 years ago
Shit, caught me shilling for best foods mayo.
I got a spoon in the jar of whip now, no lie.
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
wait are you eating the whip right out of the jar?
/u/TTTz 3 year Allstar Trophy
1 points
5 years ago
Yea, I have become addicted since I made the review. One spoon, Im hooked. Shits all over my face, Im about half way through the jar, I cant move, Ive thrown up thrice, can not get off from the sofa.
/u/MuShYy
1 points
5 years ago
oh I see keep t up TTTz

that thread still going or it die out? I been busy past few days
/u/TTTz 3 year Allstar Trophy
1 points
5 years ago
dead.....
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
PM sent - Afk an hour.
/u/smogfog
1 points
5 years ago
Got It. Thanks
/u/auspride
1 points
5 years ago
Cheers for the great work mate!
/u/Hanman2009
1 points
5 years ago
Does /u/S7ven Still ban if you dare to say "I cant get on it on any url tho"
/u/Paris 📢 A
1 points
5 years ago
Subdread moderators can ban whoever they want from their subdread for whatever reason. Just know if you say something like that we won't be banning you from dread.
/u/Hanman2009
1 points
5 years ago*
Paris we know dread idea was fucked along time ago thanks to market influences.

It was meant so people can go talk about these markets and share reviews and experiences Independently of any of them. Otherwise why not just use Forums inbuilt to the markets??? if you don't preach the right experience the moderators can shift you along.... Sounds like that will work out well.
/u/Hanman2009
1 points
5 years ago*
99% of other markets are honorable on dread. Empire are so huge they can do w/e and even you can't say shit to them. Merely just tell customers "err post in diff subdread" ERr so post in Whitehousemarket about empire.. That would be FUD id say.

If S7ven is going to ban people, Why can't he be transparent about it, Hell i don't even have a reason defined for mine he that lazy.
/u/[deleted]
1 points
5 years ago
"FUD" is usually the reason. I was banned by Empire, then unbanned all of a sudden weeks later. Didn't even make a fuss, so not sure why the change of heart. So not sure what's going on there, but sounds like tensions must be running high, leaving them with short fuses. Or maybe someone gets high and gets in the mood to pardon. Who knows? (Not trying to sound ungrateful; just really trying to diagnose...)

I know it's tough to find folks to trust in this business, but they really need more staff, not just for clients, but for themselves. Their organization appears to be outgrowing them (stress is a symptom that can linger even after more objective issues are resolved such as workload - and this already within a high-stress occupation as it is).

De-stress, boys and girls. You owe it to yourselves, and you deserve it.
/u/Se7en
/u/Orbital
/u/Melbourne
/u/Paris 📢 A
1 points
5 years ago
There is a reason why we have general subs without market influence. The amount of reports I get from users because a moderator of a subdread banning them is too god damn high. If you are going to call people out do it in an area they don't control. It's simple and yet people get all riled up about it.

Dread staff gives deference to moderators of subdreads they control. We do put limits on general subdreads but for market, vendor, or regular project subdreads created by their moderators they can create their own rules. As long of course it builds upon dread's current rules not undermines them.
/u/OneDoesWhatOneCan
1 points
5 years ago
I love how /u/Paris is, like after a year or so of keeping a fairly low profile, BLOWING up the place now!

Keep it up!
/u/PelicanVendor
1 points
5 years ago
Thanks for clarifying the rule I was banned for even though it was all good (I am just difficult)! Also btw from modding the reddit sub people will twist your words. Having more clear rules like this for controversial rules are a great idea. I think this should have been done before but I am happy it is now happening. Myself like others were getting doxes pm'd to me along as seeing them spam them on dread (rule 5).
/u/fuckupdog
1 points
5 years ago
[removed]
/u/AutoModerator M Judge Dread
0 points
5 years ago
Doxing is against the site-wide rules!
Don't even try it...

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/u/igniteindia
1 points
5 years ago
OK /u/Paris as you say However its a moral duty of all to Not spread Hoax news as well as Not to mention any person direct identity in Darkweb that's not cool.

xoxo
/u/Eligoscreps
1 points
5 years ago
Good guidelines/rules. +1
/u/JusticeServed11
1 points
5 years ago
Finally... kudos for keepin dread clean
/u/realfacilitorius
1 points
5 years ago
Thanks for keeping up the Dreadforum!
/u/hashking69
1 points
5 years ago
Lol so funny you all complaining about "doxxing" yet are all for releasing police officers addresses,etc. Common cowards.
/u/Paris 📢 A
1 points
5 years ago
When information is released to the public within a leak that is no longer private personal information. As such it does not count.
/u/blizzavia
1 points
5 years ago
Cheers for the work mate.
/u/nanobotboy
1 points
5 years ago
ban topquality for posting tracking numbers all over dread
/u/TopQuality
1 points
5 years ago
/u/nanobotboy Ban your Mother from Blowing me you Butt hurt Attempted Scammer Scum.
/u/[deleted]
2 points
5 years ago
Highly professional.
/u/Ukcannalis
1 points
5 years ago
heyyy im Lucy

had a wanderfull expirience yesterday
after recieving a tracking number for my package
i tracked and my delivery address on it was correct
i was shocked i only discover latter that my package has been mistakenly delivered to my neighbour
and my stuffs in the package was not complete as i payed for
who can i suspect
1.delivery company
2.my sender
3.my neighbour
/u/[deleted]
1 points
4 years ago
Seem fair enough.
/u/assortmentking
1 points
4 years ago
@/u/Paris, I made the below post about this a while ago that got deleted by the YBM mods for unknown reasons. Luckily, I saved the post. It was my interpretation of fud, and I thought it was a fitting clarification. Aside from a few updates that I will make to it, I think this supports your above post quite well. Do you approve of this example scheme? Is there anything specifically you think needs heavy editing? Read comment below this for full forwarded message VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
/u/assortmentking
1 points
4 years ago
@/u/Paris
----------------THE MEANING OF FUD--------------
This rule gets misinterpreted, used, and abused much to often (by everyone and excluding noone, including /u/Paris and /u/HugBunter) on dread, as well as other areas of the Dark web. So the information below might help bring some clarity (disclaimer: This might have some errors, as it is an unrevised first draft, because I am tired of writing. I will refine at a later point)...

FUD=No sharing of fear mongering content, with no factual basis or evidence.

For those who might be confused about what this means exactly, or those who (intentionally or unintentionally)
1) use the NO-FUD rule to Silence logic and reason that are warranted,
or
2)use the NO-FUD rule to maintain power or some sort of control over free speech and open discussion, in order to produce an outcome that may be personally beneficial.

CHARACTERISICS OF FUD:
Non-insightful speculation. Unwarranted claims. Statements that lack fact or evidenc/reports to support the claimants assertions. Statements/assertions that are overwhelmingly countered by the accused's reputation and recent public standing, especially in regards to public opinion and public trust. Most importantly, LOGIC & REASON are not the cornerstone of the claims being made. As long as LOGIC & REASON, are ommited from the foundation of a claim, FUD, will be prevalant and sustain an existant state. Thus, the accusations or speculations being expressed are FUD.

EXAMPLE OF FUD:
Scenario - A user goes on dread and creates a post claiming that example-markets is planning an exit scam. The user has no inside sources. The user has no claims from others stating (with evidence) that example-markets has stolen their money, and dissapeared without response or assistance in getting unrecovered money back and/or properly and ethically remedying the situation. The user has no reports of example-market scamming others out of money in a similar manner/fashion. The user has no reports of behavior that could "SUGGEST" example-market is preparing for an exit scam by selectively manufacturing injustices that benefits nobody but example-market. The user has an inability to identify a REASONABLE motive of the accused. The user has utterly no foundation for his claims, except for the fact that it is a gut feeling. The user has multiple character flaws going against him, such as a reputation for FUD and hate speech, or possible motives of accusation aspired from the users financial inability to pay for example-markets high vendor bond. On top of that, example-markets recent track record is stellar, and it would be unquestionably out of character for them to start scamming or start planning an exit. There are absolutely ZERO other users who can corroborate his/her claims and accusations, report similar findings, or link his/her story to theirs. As long as the above scenario is true then LOGIC & REASON ARE NOT the cornerstone of the claims and assertions being made, and thus, the accusations or speculations being expressed are to be considered FUD.

CHARACTERISICS of Accusations or speculations that are NOT FUD:
Insightful speculation. Warranted claims. Statements that carry fact, evidence, or reports to support the claimants assertions. Statements/assertions that are overwhelmingly countered by the accused's recent reputation and recent public standing, especially in regards to public opinion and public trust. Most importantly, LOGIC & REASON are the cornerstone of the claims and assertions being made. As long as LOGIC & REASON, are included in the foundation of a claim, FUD, can not exist and will not sustain an existant state. Thus, the accusations or speculations being expressed are NOT FUD

EXAMPLE of Accusations or Speculations that are NOT FUD:
Scenario - A user goes on dread and creates a post claiming that example-markets is planning an exit scam. The users past is credited with him/her making claims that prophecize the near future; suggesting he/she may have inside sources, or a knack for finding and gathering factual information FIRST. The user DOES HAVE claims from others stating that example-market has stolen their money, and dissapeared without response or assistance in getting unrecovered money back and/or properly and ethically remedying the situation. The user DOES HAVE reports of example-market scamming others out of money in a similar manner/fashion. The user DOES HAVE reports of behavior that could "SUGGEST" example-market is preparing for an exit scam by selectively manufacturing injustices that benefits nobody but example-market. The user DOES HAVE an ability to identify a REASONABLE motive of the accused. The user DOES HAVE a solid foundation for his claims, without regard to any gut feelings, and with full regard to logic and reason. The user DOES NOT have multiple character flaws going against him, such as a reputation for posting FUD, hate speech, or illogical statements/claims. The user has none or highly limited motives for the corresponding accusation they are making. For example, the user making the claim has an acceptional financial ability to pay for example-markets high vendor bond, thus ommiting general saltiness about not being able to vend, as a motive for making the corresponding claim. On top of all this, example-markets recent track record is dodgy at best, and it wouldn't be unquestionable, unreasonable, or out of character for example-market to be scamming or planning an exit. There are some, if not many, other users who can corroborate his/her claims and accusations, report similar findings, or link his/her story to theirs. As long as the above scenario is true, LOGIC & REASON are the cornerstone of the claims and assertions being made, and thus, the accusations or speculations being expressed are NOT to be considered FUD.
/u/majoredinhippy
0 points
5 years ago
I stand by the fact I've been saying this to 90% of the trolls on /d/Darknetaustralia; now I am glad it is out in the open and can be sorted with a correctable punishment where applicable. However I must insist that even proof can be edited or implicated in the wrong light if lined up and posted as such.

Is registration still closed up?
/u/UNREASONABLE
1 points
5 years ago
>Is registration still closed up?

lmao yeah, the new captcha was dead in the water since the day it was released. We're going on two weeks with no new users allowed.
/u/fuckupdog
1 points
5 years ago
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5 years ago
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/u/fuckupdog
0 points
5 years ago
This guy is a fraudster and scammer. Was kicked from being mod from darknetaustralia because he worked for scam markets. Recently threatened to dox 800 people in co-operation with vendor ventiansnares aka fudpolice and moderator gurkin.

Not fud, here is proof of what a snake this guy is.

>I could make you out to be a FUD team

>or a FUD campaign.

See this thread to links of screenshot I cant post links here.

post/c550b58dcce194909df1
/u/majoredinhippy
1 points
5 years ago
Picking pieces out of context or using photos handpicked still counts as FUD bud.