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READ - Users May Not Be Helping With Seizures and Market Takedowns

Gotta say even tho many ppl use this site as a sort of safe space to talk to other drug users for whatever there reasons are. But please be aware that there are Feds on this site. Literally FBI agents are reading your posts here, including everything ure saying about this website and that, Which vendors are best. There is no way the MODS can track everyone but I wish they could moderate what ppl are saying more. Pls read this. Stop sharing what ure using. Keep it confidential and screw ure OPSEC head on straight. I'm pretty much a newbie on this site and I'm shocked to be honest with u, like there's no safety procedures whatsoever. No wonder its a bait world. Ppl complain about backend not being safe, well then what ppl shout about all across the Web don't help things in any way.

Every single Fed Operation is present on this site. They have to be here to carry out insight and research building intel about everything and everyone... The Feds are probably targeting every market on the Daunt.Link directory. Because it's right there for them to take - advertised, waved in front of their faces. They are the safest markets according to a directory everyone here says is safe and legit. So why would the Feds bother focusing on obsolete markets not on that directory? They will obviously but it won't be No.1 or No.2. ....

People saying "YEAH USE THIS MARKET ITS THE BEST" when everyone is doing that, it is literally like calling 911 and saying "THIS MARKET IS THE BEST LOADS OF METH AND CRACK WITH GREAT DEALS..YOU NEED TO TARGET THAT ONE NEXT". Ppl are even saying this shit on the CLEARNET on Reddit etc. Man.

The feds are fuelled by users on forums like these who shout about how they lost all their money on a major Meth or Crack deal. That adds fuel to their fire. That wants them to speed up their operation, not slow it down. YH I KNOW it will happen anyway, but for people working for the police, everyone here is a bad guy. We are the criminals they were trained to lock up for life. What they don't see are those using the DNM for cancer treatments, contraception, Antibiotics, Pain relief, safety contraband, etc. All of that doesn't matter to them all because of users saying they got the best high smoking the best meth they ever got their hands on from a specific market from a specific vendor.

/u/vitamphetamine

8 points

2 weeks ago

HAHA! MY NAME IS DR COLLOSSUS AND I SNORT FIVE POUNDS OF METH FOR BREAKFAST! YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE, PIGS!!

/u/LibertyExchange 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

Love it.

/u/LibertyExchange 🍼

3 points

2 weeks ago

You have to see both sides of it, Dread isn't even the first large DN forum (DNMAvengers anyone?). I think this is significantly better than what we used to have.

/u/BobGnarly

1 points

2 weeks ago

DNMAvengers? Huh?

This entire time I thought Dread was the only big third-party site.

/u/fecalhead

1 points

1 day ago

Yeah it all started the day you downloaded Tor, for the first time👍

/u/marleysmusic12

3 points

2 weeks ago

Roger that man, I second you.

Dread could as well be a massive honey pot run by L.E to have a better control over this dark worlds.

Never trust a platform forum or whatsoever, one through which more than 100milion dollar of exit scams, busts and cable-pull have gone through.
So yea, without Dread those number 1 market will never be rich but no Dread = no exposition = what is should be to run a hidden service

peeep's are too fucking greedy now

/u/chickensally

1 points

2 weeks ago

Given how many markets have been taken down and admins have been arrested since this forum started. This very well could be a honeypot

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

2 weeks ago

Thanks a lot for backing me up. I was honestly expecting a swarm of haters, so it's refreshing to see someone else applying some common sense.

Here’s my take:

Dread has always been overhyped — the buzz never matched the reality.

There are plenty of other forums out there. Just because none of them individually pull huge numbers doesn't mean that, collectively, they don't rival or even surpass Dread's traffic.

Centralizing the entire darknet around one massive forum is completely absurd and it goes against everything the darknet is supposed to stand for. It's reckless and frankly dumb.

As for Dread surviving six years of intense DDoS and DoS attacks without being de-anonymized? That’s not surprising : it’s suspicious. Either it’s virtually impossible (which it isn’t), or someone on the inside is cooperating with law enforcement.

I’m well-versed in the TOR protocol, timing attacks, and how law enforcement can correlate patterns to de-anonymize any service within six months. So six years? That just doesn’t add up.

/u/abuhajjar 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

I blame the other forums for not being up to standard. I have seen "darknet" forums with things like JS and email registration, sometimes inherited from the use of forum software from the clearnet. Dread is built from scratch for the dark web and that is what sets it apart for the most part.

If it is a honeypot then I imagine that would add a thick layer of difficulty for anybody attempting to compete with it. Once upon a time I was more hopeful about the dark web and the future of digital freedom but my experience here has taught me that the entire thing at every level is rigged in favor of those in power. We only get away with what they allow us to get away with.

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

2 weeks ago

If it's well designed or well secured, there is already 50% chance it's a honey-pot. L.E is far more clever than most of us and they know that a forum coded in a non-secure way wouldn't drag the mass of user like Dread does.

I hear you for the JS and lack of security on " most " forums but this isn't the case for all, the deepnet is... deep

/u/bosschopper

1 points

2 weeks ago

This isn't the deepnet, it's the darknet.

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

2 weeks ago

Dark and deepnet serve the same goal though: remaining anon

/u/bosschopper

1 points

3 days ago

Deepnet is simply behind paywalls/logins anything that cant be crawled, Dark is .onions

/u/moistharmonica

1 points

2 weeks ago

Exactly I remember how hard it was to find a good source of information and a good market and it felt so rewarding back in the day

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

2 weeks ago

+1 bro... I feel u

/u/moistharmonica

2 points

1 week ago

Could give me that dread point then xD instead of the +1

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

1 week ago

I did both my man, fosha

/u/ilovepizza123

2 points

2 weeks ago

Its a necessary evil. Like w/o them how would the le get drugs for themselves

/u/marleysmusic12

-1 points

2 weeks ago

Totally disagree

Only a necessary evil for market runner who wanna become rich and famous within couple of years

For the rest, Dread is harming more than it contribute to the DNM, but this is just my personal opinion

/u/LibertyExchange 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

What about new people who need to get caught up opsec and the scene in general? LE is constantly learning, evolving (The learning curve is increasing) we as a community also need to learn and have a resource to level the playing field.

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

2 weeks ago

This resource won't be free my friend, that's the thing

I hope a non-free version of Dread, focusing on SECURITY more than making money with advertisers pops out one of these days tbh

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

2 weeks ago

I'd be willing to pay a fee, a subscription or whatever if it could deter local law enforement, hackers, scammers and spammers to take advantage of a platform like Dread.
But Dreads admins have been a way too greedy. It won't last forever

Fact: if Hug and Paris are not working with cos themselves, L.E has probably de-anonymzed Dread's server more than once

Another fact if it's still up, then it serves greater purpose, leading L.E to achieve major bust and investigations

/u/LibertyExchange 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

You think a reasonable fee (even a few hundred dollars) will keep LE out? lol.

/u/marleysmusic12

1 points

2 weeks ago

It will keep post noobs exposing a platform like Dread out of sight of cops, yes sir... lol

/u/marleysmusic12

2 points

2 weeks ago

Dude, shit load of markets operate on and independent level, without the need of Dread or major visibility.
But patient admins become more and more rare

/u/TripperX

2 points

2 weeks ago

Hear hear, this needs to be signal boosted.

Keep your mouth shut folks, for your own good!

/u/GABERMATE3000 📢 🍼

2 points

1 week ago

Glad you agree! The majority of ppl don't take OPSEC seriously at all

/u/TripperX

1 points

3 days ago

Then they pay the price once it's too late.

So much is preventable...

/u/GABERMATE3000 📢 🍼

1 points

1 day ago

100 percent mate

/u/Jinx1975

2 points

1 week ago

You're completely right about LE monitoring chatter on this site but it's beginning to look like there will be no markets left now. I mean we are down to 2 now, most probably at least one of being run by LE themselves. They wouldn't be interested in the average buyer of something for personal use but the higher echelons of the dealer pyramid.
It would be great if the UK government for instance would run a DM & utilise the profits to run the health & education services etc. 😉 Most of the population don't really give a shit as there will always be people that want to buy 'illegal' drugs.

/u/GABERMATE3000 📢 🍼

1 points

1 week ago

Ur completely right there. I always said before, every single link on the daunt directory is on the hit list. Why? Because the LE and Feds know for certain that's where all the people go to find a 100% reliable and trustworthy site. Every link on daunt is basically certified in this world, meaning lots of traffic. Abacus became the biggest site when it was only a smaller fish years ago. I wonder which one will be next? My bet will be DrugHub. That's where everyone is headed now Arch and Abacus is gone

I don't reckon LE would be so fired up to close them if we didn't have half the population on here raving about how great the meth was. It it was for health reasons only, I can bet that the majority of what goes on here would be met with a blind eye and discretion. But, p3ople who rave about how great the gear was and how great the high is, that reinforces the idea that we are the "bad" guys that need snuffing out

/u/NewtNewt96 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago

They don't put you in some 848 chain gang over being a small fish in a big ocean. Worse thing that happens is a jump scare with a few silver unmarked cars sitting in your driveway at 2 in the morning and they move onto the next person on the list as though they're playing duck duck goose.

/u/MozzzieBoi84

1 points

2 weeks ago

Yeah its obvious but the older you get the more you release humans are just fucken waste of an organism. They simply cant help themselves to do anything proper.

No different to creating a massive forum on the darkweb that freely advertisers markets and vendors. Fucken stupid human nature,

/u/abevigoda2 🍼

1 points

2 weeks ago*

(edited to remove typos).

Avengers is RIP unfortunately. So this is where it's at. Please DM me (encrypted) about other markets and forums that don't get play on here.

I do take this post seriously. I never mention quantities or comparisons, though I do offer praise to vendors for being responsible and doing the right thing with others.

However I do need put more effort into making sure that my posts here do not imply that I am a current customer of a vendor or that I"m using the products myself. It's all about education and harm reduction. Am I going overboard?

One thing to add: I am in favor of encrypting all DM's to vendors here, unless all I want to say is thank you.

/u/GABERMATE3000 📢 🍼

1 points

1 week ago

100%

We're in a world where ppl post to no end on socials and the FEDS are laughing rubbing their hands together.

Even this forum itself is a major breach of OPSEC. It's a love it and hate it situation. Great for everyone who want a community based on what we all share but also smart for 3veryone to know that the L.E are also on this forum. Don't trust anyone !!

/u/EasypassHD 🍼

1 points

1 week ago

You should really look into how all the information systems were built in the world. Everywhere has a backdoor and if they want you they can get ya.

/u/martinb 🍼

1 points

6 days ago

Everyone who commented on this needs to just drive to the local LE office and turn yourself in. Its over.

/u/GABERMATE3000 📢 🍼

1 points

4 days ago

Why do you say that? Its not as though you could trace these people

/u/DogR 🍼

1 points

18 hours ago

use dread to entertain LE in the directions you won't use brooooh

/u/ChuckJones

1 points

19 hours ago

I agree. Part of intel is correlation of data points- and on dread we have probably the single largest amount of data, spanning tens of thousands of users and vendors over every market for over a decade. Anyone who casually dismisses the chatter on dread, but claims to adhere to opsec as scripture, needs to examine whatever cognitive bias they have that's preventing them from seeing clearly.

I'm not saying don't post on dread. This forum delivers far more benefit in terms of information, solid advice, harm reduction, and opsec than it divulges, involuntarily or otherwise, to LE. But loose lips sink ships, so it's important to consider what you say, always and forever. Especially the higher up in the chain you are- those at the upper echelon are being targeted by state-level actors, and have anonymity requirements greatly exceeding those of the average buyer. Two perfect examples are the first, and the last, to have their lives come crashing down around them- Ross Ulbricht and Marc Hegemeister.

Ulbricht was identified as a suspect by a forum post under a username tied to his real identity. And Hegemeister? Who the fuck knows yet, but conventional wisdom holds that he knew what he was doing in terms of technical expertise... Why the hell would he allow himself to get drawn in to pissing contests on dread while he was reacting, in real time, to DDoS attacks on his market? Or be using an IP that could be traced directly back to him? An IP address isn't a person, and by itself means nothing unless it can be linked to an identity... Correlation of data points. Individual signals in the noise.

Even state-level actors lack the resources to go after every buyer on every DNM, and it's no small task (expenditure-$$) to deanonymize someone, obtain the proper warrants, coordinate with the necessary police agencies and departments required at federal, state, and local levels to execute a controlled delivery- in order to arrest, try, convict and sentence someone for ordering an eight ball- when that person can't even help them to catch the bigger fish on which budgets are funded and careers are built.

Be careful out there and in here, evaluate your own tolerance for risk, and what you're willing to do to mitigate it. As a user, I accept the mitigated risk posed by anything I might post here being tied back to my real identity- but at least I acknowledge there is a risk. If I was a system admin of a large DNM- my participation here would be almost non-existent. As always, your mileage may vary.

/u/Stahlkappe 🍼

0 points

2 weeks ago

bro can you explain any further regarding opsec?
Like what is the actual intel for the police that xXLadyBoyFuckerXx said: I do coke, and this coke is the best from XX vendor, and i buy on this market?
Didn't we just all create a identity, to use it separately from our real Identity?
Nearly all you said is utterly BS.

/u/ChuckJones

1 points

19 hours ago

The simple answer is that people get comfortable, make friends, get in pissing contests, and get complacent when they post here regularly. Are you gonna get identified by posting on Dread? No, unless you're a fucking moron. But state-level actors don't give a fuck about you ordering a couple of eight balls. They want system admins and owners, and maybe some of the top vendors, and all data points that can correlate to the convergence of a single identity will be used for that purpose. You, or me or any other user will never know what those data points are because we don't have access to any of the data.

It ain't about you, boo. That's what op is trying to say.

/u/nelsonius3 🍼

0 points

1 week ago

The AlphaBay forums were truly fucking lit....this doesn't hold a candle to it.

This place used to be on regular reddit lol

/u/moistharmonica

-1 points

2 weeks ago

I saw someone comment on youtube about how they used to love archtyps layout on a video about the takedown I used to think being able to browse the dark web securely was special back in 2015 nowadays its become a little too common place (terrible opsec seems like some of the posts are coming from literal children) the more we continue to grow the more likely we will face backlash from Leos overall the goal should be reeducation they going after the wrong thing "the supply" when they should be targeting underlying issues creating the "demand"

/u/Jinx1975

2 points

1 week ago

Well said 👍 There will always be the demand. Imagine if it was all legalised the profits would put all our countries in the black!