STOP THIS NEVERENDING EXIT SCAM SCHEME! ENFORCE MULTI-SIG FOR ALL MARKETS AND NO EXIT-SCAMS WILL EVER OCCUR AGAIN! : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets
ONCE AGAIN WE GOT RIPPED. PLEASE ENFORCE MULTISIG ONLY MARKETS AND HELP US STOP THIS BS.
Only markets with Multi-Sig XMR and BTC should be allowed to promote on dread and if they dont they should not be in the
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Why would you not enforce this?
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EDIT: I understood XMR Multisig is difficult to enforce as usability is not given for the end user. So instead of enforcing MS only markets, we could enforce the requirement that every market has to add MS XMR and MS BTC additionally to the regular payment methods. This allows customers and vendors to decide what they want to use. Vendors can incentive customers to use MS by offering better prices.
This is a way to start making a change. XMR Developers will see demand and eventually will further develop their system. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THERE WILL BE GUARANTEED NO PROGESS.
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My take on it is the real core issues are 2.
1) Markets don't have competent enough admins whom understand the entire landscape. Most of them have never touched enterprise environments or worked on complex networks. Some don't learn from past mistakes either and put security as after thought.
That would translate to poor security, scalability and reliable uptime not mentioning making it much easier for LE to grab the admin and servers. A painful reality but fixable point.
2) The second and harder to solve issue is trust.
Some potential solutions or additions in my humble view
The whole point is if trust is increased, accountability should be too. If you don't give updates to the community without any real reasoning for the delay, forum admins like HugBunter shouldn't pull back or be responsible for markets reputation when they make posts warning everyone of the potential danger.
One potential alternative to the multi sig problem could be to tip the favor of protection to the buyers side. What I mean by this is vendors can make security deposits with the market and then buyers would directly send to the vendor XMR addresses provided. True real direct payment not through escrow. It would limit the amount of orders vendors can take at any given moment but buyer funds would be safe. Asian markets work on this principle. After all if the buyers stop coming, the vendors will stop selling and the whole thing collapses.
Every situation brings lessons and if we don't evolve and improve thinking what we can do better, we're all bound to repeat the same cycle with the same result each time.
As a vendor I'm patient. Abacus paid out on Thursday, Friday they didn't, I realized on Monday. Monday I still shipped because I had hope that was just an error and I didn't want to let my customers wait. So basically the only damage I could have avoided was monday, on tuesday they were gone and it was all over dread already so there was no point to come out earlier.
This is about making it imposible for amarkets to exit-scam. Your input doesn't give solution to that nor does it really give reason why multisig should not be enforced. If an admin not competent to implement then hes just not the right admin for this kinda project.
If you read the very first 2 sentences it gives the answer straight.
It's not about XMR multi sig being hard to implement. It's about making it easy to use for end users that's what I meant by the complexities of XMR multi sig. Dark Matter I believe it was said only a single person had used it once for I don't know how many months period. Their implementation isn't noob friendly either. You need to create wallets every single time and per your own words LekkerCocaine, some buyers still use BTC and you want to force XMR multi sig? Unless XMR multi sig gets some sort of revamp it's never going to happen.
Adding to my point markets like DrugHub are doing good by enforcing PGP but they're restricting theirs and the scenes growth that way. You can't expect a beginner to be opsec pro. If the learning curve is too great, nobody will bother, easier to walk down the street and get it from a dealer. Path of least resistance discussed about the auto encrypt issues too take a look /post/4c5587d7bc12790cf306/#c-a9d3f2fa8517025004
The second sentence I explained the functionality isn't well maintained and thoroughly tested by the Monero devs either. Would you like to bet your business on technology whom might or might not have some critical bug somewhere whom locks everyones money? You're a business man and understand the need for reliability and XMR multi sig is not it.
Though I thought me briefly mentioning both of these points was obvious, now with the explanation you should understand what I completely mean.
You can't implement trust controlling. Nowhere did I say you need to implement it in such form. What I said was we need to increase transparency and accountability during the lifetime of a market and after each incident. It won't stop the worst from happening but it will mitigate it. Same approach is taken everywhere. With the Tor DDoS pure example, Endgame was created to mitigate the issue not fix it as it's on a deeper level. Why not embrace some improvement rather than none?
You can never truly control that. A vendor like you can collude with a staff member to judge escrow in your favor, done over enough orders, and enough vendors collude, it's the same thing. You're trying to fix human nature while what I very clearly proposed was put mitigations in place along the way to reduce the final impact.
Why multisig should not be enforced was very clearly explained in my comment, I've elaborated for you on this comment too.
I gave one sample solution off the top of my head about markets taking security deposit same way as Asian markets do. It tips the scale to buyers side but I'll repeat myself if the buyers stop coming because of the common market incidents, everything dies either way.
Regarding your other input, I'm not saying that we should not implement this. Everything that can help is welcome but that's another topic.
Others like HugBunter and DrugHub have answered the same things I outlined. Vendors can collude with markets, markets can manipulate the multi sig initialization process and much more. If barely anyone has used multi sig like on markets like Dark Matter that tells a story.
Everyone agrees we need multi sig myself including. My comment was to bring reality to the ideal dream scenario. We can all want multi sig, decentralized, living on satellites and hosted on the moon but we have to make due with what we have today. The current state of code doesn't support that reality on a business level where reliability is first priority. If we push at direction of the core problem with possibility of revamping or simplifying Monero multi sig process we can then actually create something lasting.
2. Download verified Monero CLI via Tor. Extract it.
3. On separate Tails machines (or airgapped laptops):
`monero-wallet-cli --generate-new-wallet NAME`
→ Choose multisig (e.g., 2/3)
4. Share `multisig_info` offline (USB stick or QR).
→ Exchange until setup complete.
5. Make a watch-only wallet online for receiving.
6. To send coins:
a) Build unsigned TX with watch-only wallet.
b) Move TX to cosigner machines → `sign_multisig`.
c) Final cosigner → `submit_transfer` → done.
7. Never put all keys on one machine.
Never connect signing machines to the internet.
8. Always over Tor. Use bridges. Never reuse sticks. Encrypt everything.
7 & 8 not even xtra steps
you do a hundred captchas a day to post dum shit or because AB thinks you on speed while browsing
markets should implement that, no escrow needed, no possibility of exit scammin on vendors and buyers..
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The reasons markets are allowed to promote without XMR multi sig I literally outlined in my comment, I suggest to read it carefully. None of the reasoning of why not is secret and is known for a long time now by pretty much everyone.
People come online on Dread when things go bad and demand solutions and this or that be done but never actually participate in resolving the problems. If you did, you would know the situation and realize it's exactly at the dead lock I described as everybody knows already.