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Suggestion For Important OPSEC Threads : Dread | Torhoo darknet markets

I was just reading through some pinned threads in https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmIzQnpaV009# and came to a part of a post that mentions TG and it says the following:

"Telegram

Telegram is a freeware, cross-platform, cloud-based instant messaging (IM) system. The service also provides end-to-end encrypted video calling, VoIP, file sharing and several other features. There are also two official Telegram web twin apps—WebK and WebZ—and numerous unofficial clients that make use of Telegram’s protocol. The FBI document says about Telegram:

* No message content.

* No contact information provided for law enforcement to pursue a court order. As per Telegram’s privacy statement, for
confirmed terrorist investigations, Telegram may disclose IP and phone number to relevant authorities."



I know this post is a few years old, but there have been more recent revelations that TG has in-fact conferred user data to LE at least since the arrest of TG founder, Pavel Durov.

See: https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNCdmMzUXZZelk1TWpVMFlqa3pZVEF4TUdReE9HVTNNelE9#

As time passes, up-to-date opsec information changes along the way. I think most of the posts still have lots of valuable OPSEC information even if some parts are outdated.

(Not trying to discuss the TG situation specifically, it's just an easy example for the suggestion below)

My suggestion is to have a feature where vetted users and/or mods could write addendums to bring important opsec posts up to date and have them inserted right into posts with an easy means of identifying both the addendum but also the outdated information. Perhaps specific color and/or font or something about it that is easily recognizable, while also striking through the outdated information, but leaving it legible for reference. A date of the addendum would also be helpful and the user who approved the update. Perhaps even standard users could submit these updates but they would need to be verified and approved before being inserted into the posts.

It could even be as simple as striking out the old info and linking to a post which contains the correct and updated info.

I'm aware that the newest information is constantly coming out in the form of new posts on a daily basis, but there is nothing linking the original information to the newest updates without actively searching around for it. If one isn't aware that there is new info, there is a good chance they won't search for it in the first place.

I know it's very easy to make suggestions and not always so easy to implement them, it was just a thought that occurred to me as I was reading through https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdmIzQnpaV009# and wanted to share as it recently sounded like there may be some major overhaul of Dread taking place in the not-so-distant future.

What are your thoughts?
/u/tribalseed
2 points
6 months ago
great write up!
/u/dparks123
2 points
6 months ago
Good idea, anyone could add info to the outdated posts and then have a mod pin there comment? providing its real information obviously
/u/DojaDesperado 📢 P
1 points
6 months ago
Certainly, something along those lines and there are probably a bunch of ways it could be done. The main goal would be to connect the new info to the old post somehow so that as people are reading the stickies and posts deemed most valuable regarding OPSEC, that the newest information is plugged in as it becomes available.

It would require some kind of review process similar to subdreads where moderators have to approve posts before they go live to limit bad actors. I know mods already have a lot on their plate in a lot of cases, and people are volunteering their time here so maybe it could even be a matter of getting X number of upvotes from user accounts deemed eligible to discern whether or not the addendum is factual. Say it needs 5 updoots from qualified senior accounts to go live, or 1 mod updoot. One potential hangup I see is there would still need to be something to prompt users to go back and review the original stickies and writeups in the first place.

Maybe the markets and/or vendors could be solicited to pitch in on a reward fund kind of like a bug bounty. For every addendum contribution that is factual and approved, a small reward is given to the author with the option to donate that reward to the Dread platform. Vendors could even pitch in store credits or special discounts as rewards. Some kind of incentive to keep people reviewing and correcting the information would be needed I think, perhaps all it would take is a special recognition badge? I'm not sure really. But one of the barriers to entry for a lot of people to come play here seems to be the complexity of it all.

Granted, this isn't a place where just anyone should be derping around, but easier access to correct and current information could help breathe some new life into the place and make it a bit less intimidating to get involved in.
/u/Doc15
2 points
6 months ago*
Verifying and keeping up-to-date information is very important, difficult at times and sometimes neglected.

I work in the field of psychopharmacology and in my laboratory meticulous data keeping and accurate chronology are often stressed. A careful record of past experiments helps give a clear understanding of where we are now, how we got to that point and where we'd like to be in the future with regards to our work.

Methodologies and experiments from last year may seem outdated today, but they should be regarded as important "steps" and not jettisoned into the rubbish bin or forgotten. Because while they may no longer be useful in the practical sense a careful record of these "steps" will likely pay dividends in the future by saving time, money and other resources. They’re also an important part of the foundational blueprint for future researchers.

This also applies to the field of OPSEC, I think. And what aids in moving developers and programmers forward (like careful data management) is likely to be an important factor in what keeps operators, moderators, vendors and buyers 5 steps ahead of law enforcement and out of harm’s way.

That’s some of the “Why?” but what about the “How?”

As I was writing that last sentence and considering the possibilities I noticed your response to /u/dparks123. You’ve highlighted some of the biggest challenges and offered solutions: how to keep bad actors from interfering? Peer review and a review process from moderators. How to prompt users for reviews and write-ups? Incentive is what’s needed.

And if I may offer an opinion about the complexity of verifying and updating OPSEC information being a barrier-to-entry for many people: I don’t see that as a negative, necessarily. Motivations beyond financial gain and the technical skills required for such an endeavor may attract some of the best and brightest in the OPSEC world.
/u/DojaDesperado 📢 P
1 points
6 months ago*
Welcome to the convo, /u/Doc15. I appreciate your thoughtful post!

I agree entirely that none of the previous steps should go into the rubbish bin. 100%. The quickest way to repeat history is to forget the past. I was thinking about this in my original post a bit when I mentioned being able to quickly identify the new information or procedure, but also still be able to view the prior. I don't have a clear image of how that would work or appear on a screen, but I'm in total agreement that the prior is an important step in understanding the current and by no means should be discarded or buried in an archive somewhere.

You're also right about barrier-to-entry. For everyone's safety around here, there must be a filter of a certain mesh to screen out those who tend to make irresponsible choices without regard to the consequences for not only themselves, but also the other users they interact with- so the complexity shouldn't be seen as something to do away with entirely.

I know quite a few people IRL whom I'd never invite here even if speaking to them on the topic wasn't a critical opsec failure to begin with. I think part of my concern is there being so much raw information to take in here, some of which is difficult to piece together and find the most current consensus on, that there are a good number of people who ARE the kind of folks we would normally welcome to the space and who would act reasonably and responsibly, and also be of apt mental and moral fortitude, that are unintentionally filtered or dissuaded by an unclear sense of how things should operate in the present moment. Opsec can absolutely change day by day and we've seen many recent examples of it.

I guess this is starting to come to what prompted me to write with concern and a suggestion in the first place. Is there anything we can do to encourage live, active, current, and correct organization of information, past and present, to foster the growth of high-quality users while simultaneously curbing the growth and filtering out lower-quality users. The idea of what a high-quality user is vs a low-quality user would probably need to be refined in the course of finding the answer and executing, but with a revamping of the place on the horizon, I felt compelled to start talking about it.

Thanks again for your input, /u/Doc15. What started off as a kind of cloudy concern is coming into sharper focus as I read and write about it.

EDIT: I forgot to add that a primary benefit of an active on-the-fly prodecure to update info in realtime would be avoiding the inevitable, eventual, and periodic major house cleaning that happens when the information reaches a point that someone or a group of people must drop everything in their life/lives to spend weeks or more bringing things up to date.

Why let things go on for so long then invest a lot of time all at once, when the task could be broken up into much smaller increments and spread across more participants and be more up to date more often than otherwise? I hope that's making sense.
/u/EvilSocket018
2 points
6 months ago
Great idea, but seems difficult to put in place
/u/DojaDesperado 📢 P
1 points
6 months ago
The infrastructure I would have no clue about. Would have to leave that up to the folks that speak computer. In operation, I think it could be something like reporting of posts. When something needs updating, there is a report option, then it cross posts up in an invite only subdread where the posts needing updates are in a queue. Updates could get added using come BBCode I think it is, to change the font or text color of both the info that was updated, and the new info so the new info stands out. Then once it's updated, it gets a stamp of approval. Maybe the post itself shouldn't be updated, because then it might appear that the OP said things that they did not actually. But maybe the parts in question could be highlighted and the new info posted in the top of the comments. Or even just a link to the newest info post could be pinned in the top of the comments.

Just ideas. There are many ways to skin a cat. I've heard whispers of a tagging system for posts around here, perhaps something like that could be utilized, or maybe it's already happening. I'm not sure.
/u/Melindra
2 points
5 months ago
I could do it but I would first need to create " another " dread first... you inspire me though.... cheers
/u/Melindra
1 points
5 months ago
You would need fact-checker for the updates and outdated info
/u/DojaDesperado 📢 P
1 points
5 months ago
Agreed. I think there are probably a few ways this could be done. I'm not a nuts and bolts of computerland type of person so it's easy for me to imagine it, implementation is another story. But I think you see where I'm going with all this.
/u/Melindra
1 points
5 months ago
Totally yea. Good idea fosha