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The Fentanyl Question : Dread | Torhoo darknet markets

I have seen a lot of debate here and elsewhere concerning whether fentanyl discussion/sourcing should be allowed or banned. Those who wish to ban fentanyl related posts typically cite one of two reasons:

  • Fentanyl discussion brings more attention from LE and therefore should be banned
  • Fentanyl is dangerous and immoral to sell and therefore should be banned


I think the first viewpoint is reasonable for the Dread community to hold. Allowing fentanyl discussion will probably increase the attention on Dread from LE and could lead to the service being shut down or some of its individual members being targeted. If the Dread community wishes to ban fentanyl discussion on those grounds then I have no objections. I'm sure that https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdmFIVm5ZblZ1ZEdWeQ==# will do what he thinks is best for his service.

However, I believe that the line of thinking behind the second viewpoint is completely ridiculous. I find it difficult to understand how people that can see through the propaganda on every other drug can be so taken in by the usual lies when it comes to fentanyl. I suspect that these people are responding emotionally rather than rationally. The drug warriors say that the fentanyl crisis is completely unprecedented and that only they can stop it (assuming that people give them more money and power of course). In reality, the Narcs cannot stop the fentanyl crisis because they are the reason it exists. For more information please read about the ⚠️Iron Law of Prohibition⚠️. LE cracked down on heroin and the market switched to fentanyl. The more LE cracks down on fentanyl the quicker the market will switch to carfentanyl. To think that banning fentanyl discussion/sourcing will somehow stop this is the height of delusion. The truth is that people's beliefs have very little influence on economic reality (just ask the Soviets). It's certainly a nice racket for LE though. They create the problem and then get paid to "fix" it.

I will admit that many fentanyl purchases on the DNMs are done by smaller vendors who intend to later cut that fentanyl into other drugs and then lie about it to their customers. I'm honestly not sure how this problem can be solved. Those who sell "pure" heroin laced with fentanyl on the DNMs can of course be banned for fraud. However, much of the fraud is actually occurring off the DNMs and thus without any product testing or reviews. If anyone has any ideas on fixing this please let me know. Of course banning fentanyl is not a solution as vendors will simply starting using code words like they do on Craigslist. Perhaps one day all dealing will be done on the DNMs where it can be subjected to good quality control. On a related note, I think that fraud is the real problem here and I found the creation of /r/Fraud to be very concerning. The original Silk Road did not allow fraud because it is fundamentally involuntary. A community that tacitly accepts the pillaging of others is not a community that can be trusted to make ethical decisions.

Overall, I don't really care whether Dread bans fentanyl discussion or not. I'm more concerned with the line reasoning that people follow when they say that they hope that LE busts all the fentanyl dealers. The only solution to the fentanyl crisis is to end the drug war, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. Until then, the best we can do is to maintain our principles and not accept the narrative spouted by LE and the other special interest Drug War pushers.

edit: fixed formatting
/u/HugBunter A
5 points
7 years ago
I am going to be adjusting the rules to contain specific sections for this and other subjects soon. I personally do not want any sort of direct dealing here as that is on my head, fentanyl or any drug for that reason. This site is for discussion and there is an onion list if you wish to make trades elsewhere. Fentanyl sales should not really be discussed at all since it promotes it. I want some subs to act as a resource for harm reduction as that is something I would really like to promote and believe in, fentanyl obviously can be used responsibly, but it can also have devastating effects.
/u/WHARPDRIVE
3 points
7 years ago
Correct viewpoint on the matter ^
/u/anus
3 points
7 years ago
Fuck fent. And fuck thieving fraudsters too.
/u/anus
1 points
7 years ago
/u/MJA20WithA3 and the cheap porn accounts... those are cool too
/u/MJA20WithA3
0 points
7 years ago
All fraud but the stealing gift cards from stores like is popular in LA I'm against I think.
/u/freetaykkk
2 points
7 years ago
preach! you make a lot of good points though.
/u/Kick
2 points
7 years ago
I agree with all points that you have made and am very interested in this as I just started /r/Opiates and will need to take this into consideration.
/u/WHARPDRIVE
2 points
7 years ago
Neutrality in relation to substances one wishes to consume or sell to those who do is more important than anything in my opinion as just like the argument of free speech as long as we agree with it is a slippery slope to thought crime, picking and choosing what substances can and cannot be bought and sold is a slippery slope to policing.
/u/MJA20WithA3
0 points
7 years ago
I'd hate to see a world where we had to ban opioids/opiates off the markets because of fear of the man. Mostly cause it'd include codeine/lean

But feeennnt

But fent can be used responsibly I guess and is primarily a pain killer more than euphoric.