The status of Dread, lets discuss change : Dread | Torhoo darknet markets
Its probably long overdue to have an open discussion on this, but I want to hear your thoughts. I am going to first outline some things as context for my later questions.
I originally built this platform as a continuation of what once was an incredible effort in harm reduction, sharing of news and also important for guidance and learning, with the Dark Net and drug related communities on Reddit. The idea was to create a space that allowed free discussion of taboo subjects with only a small set of governing rules to keep things sane and what I believe is morally correct. As hard as it is to believe for most, there was never any incentive for money with this and upon launch of Dread there was absolutely no monetization of any sort, absolutely no ads, self-funded by me and later relying on donations, I wish that was something I could have stuck to throughout the life of the platform, because it wouldn't even need to be discussed now. However, with the fast paced growth of the platform and especially once DoS attacks started to become a regular issue, I was forced to implement the banner Ads as a means of funding the expansion of the site. Today, we have many methods of promotion within Dread and while at times this is more than enough to cover everything, we do have periods where Ads aren't as effective, especially when things are very stable across marketplaces, which is fortunate in the grand scheme of things, but the platform does fall on hard times.
We as a platform have worked incredibly hard over the years in continually providing this space and in just a few weeks will be celebrating the 7th birthday, which is honestly unbelievable to me, I really didn't expect this to grow at all originally. We've been through so much, many things no one is even aware of, but the community as a whole has always been my priority. I don't have much power to control situations, but wherever possible I try to guide things and prevent damage. We've been mostly pro active when we can, where things are clear, or clear on our end with what we do see behind the scenes and outed exit scams early on, there have also been times where we weren't sure and could not definitively call it so early on.
The DoS attacks 2019-2023, the most exhausting, mentally draining situation to have to try and handle. Our efforts held things together between it, providing direct solutions to overcome the attacks through the development of
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlJXNWtSMkZ0WlE9PQ==# released freely to everyone in need of it, while also keeping Dread online through tactics I employed which kept attackers at bay, while we continually undermined them in assisting affected platforms. I'm very inactive at times, I've been through extreme bouts of illness over the years, but mostly complete burn out that I attribute to these attacks directly, I was never mentally prepared for the highs and then extreme lows while going through that, it really does affect you to the point it now becomes scary if Dread doesn't load up for me immediately, I think I can safely say I was traumatized by all of this.
We have faced many attacks from every angle, along with every other platform in this scene, whether it be DoS attacks, FUD, phishing, spam. We've been through it all, we always come out on top, we always pull through. It really means a lot to me that so many people have believed in us and supported us so much over the years and it does keep us motivated in the end.
Something else that will be up for discussion here is our process of approval for ads on the site. The minitory scream that we are "gate-keeping" towards new markets on disallowing them to have Ads. If you think this then, while I agree the process needs to be improved, there
has to be a process of validation, to filter out low quality scams and outright dangerous platforms from being promoted to the user base. This is something that shouldn't really be centralized, so we go off the Superlist recommendations, which goes through a thorough approval process with the
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDJRdlJHRnlhMDVsZEUxaGNtdGxkSE09# moderators, allowing for improvements to new platforms to meet minimum criterias and also creating a time-based barrier to give opportunity for the markets to be put to the test by customers and vendors alike and also showing the efforts a market admin is willing to go to, in order to ensure they actively improve their site when needed and are able to promote themselves outside of Dread while not suddenly disappearing a month or two after users start putting their money on the line. While the Superlist can never prevent a market from exit scamming down the line, it does help to ensure a solid and stable market up until the day they close their doors, whether that be from an exit scam, seizure or amicable end. No one can predict that, but it has to be expected of every market you ever use. We have placed our trust in this Superlist process because it has no oversight from us as a platform, so there is no bias that can come into play from decisions of Dread staff, but it then relies on trusting the choices of human moderators within the DNM sub, so its still not ideal overall. It just isn't appreciated that anyone can see this as Dread gate-keeping, even though my stance is the more
quality markets, the better. Every new market is free to promote on Dread once they have been through these processes, we don't stop anyone unless there are serious issues, especially security related, which would then be in everyone's best interests for us to shun and warn.
Which brings me to this post, because it has become increasingly clear, especially with a lot of situations over the past couple of years that there is some discontent with some things or how things are managed, most of which I do already agree with, but either we have had to prioritize other things or there isn't a clear solution. I promise this year is going to be a big step for us in realizing the potential of what can be done here and moving forward with plans that have been put off for so long for one reason or another. Which will start with advancements to Daunt, the launch of Test4Pay, relaunching Recon and then moving on to additional platform launches that have been on the back burner for way too long.
I want to hear from you as a user, what do you think we can improve as a platform in how we manage the site or what is the platform lacking, what can we do to better your experience here and I'm not talking about minor features, I mean structurally.
Ideal topics of discussion here would be regarding:
Moderation
Reporting
Market Ad approvals
Superlist alternatives
It would be great to see examples of issues you see here and what we can do better or anything we can put in place to prevent/reduce.
When I saw the topic title and started reading I was expecting this to be an explanation of how inflation has impacted operations and there is now a need to put up a paywall for membership. No really, that thought came to mind.
Dread is simply the best platform of it's kind out there or everyone would migrate to the new improved forum. That you and Dread staff have provided this platform of and by itself is praiseworthy but to expect a magic wand that can completely filter out dnms that are about to go under is part of entitlement culture.
TLDR: I would like to see a bit more appreciation of Dread from those who use it and perhaps a bit less hostility.
Well said. While I do not have much to add to the topic, it amazes me that Dread is approaching its 7th birthday.
Congrats to /u/Hugbunter, /u/Paris, and all the other admins who have kept this boat afloat for so many years. This platform has saved people from so many scams, provided harm reduction, and in my eyes, has only been beneficial. Thanks for all the hard work you guys put in behind the scenes that the community does not necessarily get to see.
Cheers!
Cheers!
by far the best
There already are global moderators. It would require many more of them to compensate for removal of subdread level moderation.
And don't get me wrong, as i stated in my comment below, we are extremely grateful for Dread and this is why on our community side, Dread is our main focus.
My sub couldn't function under his rules.
A reputation system imo would absolutely be benificial. The system which was used by Majestic Garden is a good example.
I'd consider myself in the middle of the meter bc I'm definitely not the best ambassador nor am I the most retarded.
So expect what you will but know reality also.
This isn't Twatter, Fakebook or DiscREDDIT. This is where the hooligans gather.
I do wish everyone ✌️❤️
This is not my problem. What is my problem is when the recipients of said products either fail to post a negative review or do so using a brand new baby bottle account which is generally interpreted by those happy with the vendor to be competitors or trolls trying to tarnish a vendors reputation.
Dread members should not be ordering products with their dread user names and thus should be able to freely post negative reviews with their aged comment rich accounts. I make it easy for them to not be profiled by the vendor by not requiring price paid or quantity purchased in reviews.
Precisely. Currently it can get too petty.
So many thanks to everyone that helps Dread function, those that contribute in proper ways, and everyone else that appreciates this space. We love you and want to help with our continued growth
Dread should aim the sight to be more useful. Like saying things about which markets are currently being raided; that's useful! That's what I come here for, so I can be alert. Saying that Telegraph is being raided---though that's not a shocker, I definetly appreciate the heads up.
Now how about we go deeper? How about informing people about inner corruption, current things going on there.Something that you might not get from above ground. I dunno, that's just my thing, but hey, Jill valentine, df I know? Where's my apron.
lmao
tech stuff is fine, but I could learn that over clearnet. I wanted to increase my knowledge, fuel my tin-foil hat awareness. That kind of shit my friend.
I really gotta say I'm pretty disappointed that the dw is the same as yoru local ok-coral.
What's more, with the watchpeopledie site literally over clearnet, that's literally that edgy stuff the youtubers be going on about, they don't even need an onion for. XD So what's this place for anymore besides junkies?
some of these users need to show more appreciation for what an achievement this place is
TL;DR: Anyone who dislikes dread is a fucking nigger faggot.
The question remaining is will folks follow or stick to what they're used to.
But it ain't hard to do better than Dread at this point.
good things come to those who wait.
I'm just saying, this place is good until the next-gen Dread comes up.
Pretty sure about this and it's most likely coming soon
And no disrespect to Dread and their creators, they got all my respect for their masterpiece
Moderating people's expression and thoughts toward the website itself is the opposite of free.
Your suggestion does nothing to improve the website but only requests stricter censorship.
If dread "is simply the best platform of it's kind", (should be "its" without an apostrophe) then God help us all, because this platform is full of undue censorship and power tripping moderators.
I came to this site because it is advertised as a bastion of "free speech", so I was hoping to find FREE SPEECH.
But instead I found a censorship bog on par with reddit with a ridiculous point system to restrict who can create pages or even vote on comments, restricted content, and heavily moderated pages.
It seems the creator of dread has a compromised conscience because he THINKS he "has" to censor certain content and ads for "our protection", rather than letting users decide for themselves what to look at and engage.
I have no intention of staying on dread, as I haven't been here long and I have no attachment to the forum, but, before I leave, I wanted to FREELY express my discontent with the website and I don't really care what you think about that opinion.
Run it however you want, I really don't care, but at least drop the pretense that this website IS "free speech" because it objectively is not. Stop ADVERTISING and promoting dread as a "free speech" platform and be honest that it is a clone of reddit, censorship and all, that merely permits open drug talk and is also riddled with ads.
I will keep browsing the dark web until I find a forum that is TRULY FREE speech.
I don't need all the bells and whistles of reddit, and I don't want an account to participate in a forum. I just need a platform that doesn't moderate or censor.
I don't want to be required to build a reputation via some arbitrary point system in order to create my own thread and share my original thoughts and ideas.
This website has SERIOUS flaws. Pointing them out is not "hostility".
I don't have to "appreciate" this forum that has done nothing but censor me.
Desiring FREE SPEECH is NOT "entitlement culture".
I did not equate complaints about flaws with hostility. I hope that you find and enjoy the forum that you seek which allows people to post requests for contract killers, kiddie porn, poisons, and instructions about bomb making because truly free speech would have no limitations.
One that strictly poisons ?
Cause as we know its all about dose. So is strychnine ok? It was such a common medicine forever. ...i dunno... perhaps its still used im guessing.
"Whats your poison? What can i get you?"
One mans poison is another man`s tea.
One man`s H.. another's IV..
To one man Ai..... another feels pain in D-S.
... AiDS for some, hurting the rest.
Taps, tapping. To tap:
The tapped places, inter and outer spaces include:
- water
- phones.
- the bar
- the ass
(Know one im forgetting?)
Once tapped a backdoor access is now open for exploit which bypass the built in barriers to entry.
As with crispr and genes, this breeches security often catching victims with their britches down. Some may use the less common term pants, though then one loses sight of the breeches/britches connections wwhich awl ties in nicely with backdoor access/assex/essex and "tapping that ass" aswell as
"Soloman's Key" (D key. whey)
"solo mans key"
"soul owe mans key"
" sallow/swallow mans Key"
If anyone has issue with any of tha i shared let me know. Some may recognize the info from a larger. Teaching on a forum. I think its ok as is here? !a
/d/Dread provides a venue where people can learn about vendors from first hand experiences. The harm reduction done by the moderators probably goes unnoticed because it saves peoples lives before they get themselves involved with shills and scammers. DickLicker there is nothing in the world stopping you from creating your own personal platform where you are in control and you moderate everything on your own. This thread is more about how to improve what currently exists in the form of Dread.
Nowhere in the world are we able to say 'everything', there are and will always be limits. Online and the dw is no different.
This place is not the place for trolling, leave that crap up at reddit and 4chan. This place should be for business.
The deepnet need something more comprehensive, more inclusive at this point.
honestly, i think this is a great idea. It doesnt have to be big... like 5-10 bucks and youll get rid of any of the serial scammers for good.
As a matter of fact, the forum we're working on will have an entry fee on launch. A 99 cents all-you-can-post buffet of unparallelled freedom. Coming soon Q1 2025 stay tuned. I guess great minds think alike, huh Bunts. A negligible one-time payment in exchange for access to a level of freedom not found elsewhere is a fair deal.
All that said, i don't think "freely accessible" necessarily equates to "free". Maybe i just got white poeples issues but i just don't see a one time $5 registration fee as something that would turn a lot of people away. $5 is only a big deal if you're registering mass accounts.
Edit: To add, the future changes to subdread posting controls will allow for approve posts by premium members, so this will cover what you were saying somewhat although isn't as small a fee as mentioned. On top of this mods will be allowed to create a roster of approved posters though so it wouldn't be completely limited to premium members, there would be manual approval too.
Yes, BTC is way harder to launder but IMO an exit is an exit no matter if the operators land in prison or not, I guess it's a bit of satisfaction for people who lost money.
/d/newmarkets
Although I can see that the misanthropes here will immediately say it's rigged or fake.
Wow. This is why the internet is turning fascist and why more and more people are being disenfranchised and losing their voices.