Torhoo onion mirror : torhoocc3yugradvhrppml2fin4xob7kgg7uf42s4xk7p6r5vzy62ead.onion

THURSDAYS THOUGHTS Can we do anything about Drop Shippers? : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

so in recent times we've had people like antifuckwitnet claim to have been dropshipping and collecting user details to use as a means to fuck with people. others in the past have used it as a means to extort both vendors and users alike

to me, drop shipping is something that puts both the user and vendor at risk, as well as goes a ways to inflating the price of goods.

am i completely wrong and it's ok for the rest of the DN world? or is drop shipping just impossible to stop?

is there anything markets, vendors or buyers can do to help eliminate drop shipping to protect ourselves??

markets, can you put in place any measures that help to identify drop shippers and have stiff penalties to ban them?

vendors, is there any way you can track patterns from buyer accounts that are actually others drop shipping your wares?

buyers how do we identify a drop shipper taking a cut and getting our drop details? how do we report it and get something done about it? if a market has active measures to stop drop shipping from occurring does that become a reason to use that market over others?

*NOTE this is not an invitation to break self promotion sub rules, but we would love vendor and market input on the subject.

PS - it's thursday in oceania muthafakas

/u/pgpfreak P

2 points

2 days ago

If there was a technical solution for this, it would be all over the clearnet already. Only way to achieve it would be third-party supervision (like the state) but that's not a possibility on the darknet. I can't think of anything else. Interesting discussion though.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

2 points

2 days ago

i've seen vendors with the same product pics

had gear sent to me with the same return address from 'different vendors'

had vendors send multiple products separately from different locations/states

obviously this can all be co-incidence but it doesn't hurt to look at these things and stay cynical as a buyer. i dont want two sets of vendors with a drop address if i dont have to right? and i certainly dont want to pay a premium to one that just happens to sell all of a vendors products on a market they dont use.

/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

1 points

2 days ago

Some vendors are actively promoting drop shipping by vendors on other markets than on the ones they are currently on. It's business to them because they sell more with less effort. I doubt you'll get any help from vendors on this one because most of them likely don't care where the order comes from as long as they're getting paid. It really shows a lack of care about the customer imo.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago*

i thought about this a little and i guess there's a sliding scale.

some DSers will simply be used by vendors themselves which are essentially just employees.
some are aggregating and taking a clip
some are looking to selective scam larger orders(we aussies know a lot about this with international orders)
some are just PR on other markets etc.
and some as i mentioned earlier want to gather information to extort.

there's also some that sell a vendors lesser quality product as a higher tier one and take a larger clip. if i was a vendor i'd be pissed at that one.

there's probably some lesser evils there, with the selective scammers and extortioners at one end and the employees/PR at the other.

/u/pgpfreak P

1 points

2 days ago

OK... So, the idea would be to detect certain red flags. I didn't think of everything you highlighted. That's definitively something to dig in. It wouldn't remove the need for trusted third-party though. Like a database of return addresses for instance, so you can check your own package wasn't sent by another vendor.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago

yeah i dunno myself. there's also the worry of delving in to the realm of infringing on a vendors opsec too which is not where we would want to go.

/u/MyEkafEman

1 points

1 day ago

They don't add return sender addresses

/u/deerp

2 points

2 days ago

I DO NOT approve of drop shipping and consider it a disease in the community.

We pay a vendor to be discreet with our details not to pass them over to someone else without our knowledge. I was the victim of such a scam in the ASAP market days /u/dontlaugh where I bought what I thought was Dutch import speed from a UK vendor and on receipt of the package I discovered very quickly the speed was neither Dutch or even proper speed because I recognised the packaging and the shit I was sent so contacted the vendor who it was obvious the gear came from. He admitted it straight away because he was just asked by the original vendor to send out a few packs for him where he paid him to do it.

I did t blame the guy who sent them. To him he was just doing a favour for another vendor and one pack to him is the same as any other pack. Luckily for me I knew LeChacal very well and told the cunt vendor who passed on my details if I didn't get repaid in full I would be telling Lechacal within the hour. He duly paid.

I consider dropshopping a crime within our community. We pay a vendor and trust them with our details NOT pass them on to anyone else because they are either too lazy to organise deals themselves or see cheap profit for little work.

My advice to anyone who goes through with this and you recognise where the gear comes from originally is tell the vendor you are going to tell the market what he is up to unless he repays you in full. Then I would come here and warn everyone anyway.

/u/ApexMarket 🍼

1 points

2 days ago

Drop shipping is just down to Vendors to stop. A lot of vendors do this and have done for many years and It won't stop. Trust in this game is everything

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago

i know plenty of vendors have multiple vending accounts for whatever reason which i dont think is that much of an issue... it's more the antidarknet types that are just doing it for a buck on someone else's product/work or have leverage to extort.

not sure trust in this game is everything when you can't trust anyone on the DN.

/u/DrugHub P DrugHub Market Staff

1 points

2 days ago

Drop shipping is fairly big business and if they do it right it's hard to detect. Customers could report what you mentioned below but I bet many of them don't care as long as their pack lands.

Probably an effective approach is to have trusted buyers report red flags, when report is confirmed, ban. If they open a new vendor account do the same. Once they start losing money they will go away, eventually.

We do not have a policy on drop shipping at this time because we still haven't figured out how to handle it, we don't encourage it but we don't explicitly forbid it. We do have some vendors who admitted to drop shipping and they created zero issues so far.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago

We do have some vendors who admitted to drop shipping and they created zero issues so far.

on the one side, i guess they wont, until they do.

it's also a matter of potential opsec exposure for the buyer. it's essentially MitM where they just take a clip and your details.

/u/PeterXan P

1 points

2 days ago

So you're saying you are finding a solution for dropshipping?

People have middlemanned drugs since the beginning of time. Anything else is playing coy lol

/u/DrugHub P DrugHub Market Staff

1 points

2 days ago

Oh I did not say that, right now we are going along with it, if we decide to forbid drop shipping we will announce it ahead of time.

Drop shipping is not being a middleman or reseller though.

/u/BlackCell P

1 points

2 days ago

It’s not uncommon for vendors to operate multiple accounts, this practice has been around for a while. However, to maintain operational clarity and avoid order mix-ups, it’s essential that each account is managed by dedicated users. Assigning specific personnel to handle individual accounts ensures accountability and minimizes the risk of confusion, especially when dealing with large volumes of transactions.

When it comes to dropshippers, the situation is a bit more complex. While it's nearly impossible to stop them entirely, their activity can be monitored. By identifying patterns and behaviors typical of dropshipping operations, appropriate measures can be taken to mitigate their impact. That said, completely eliminating them from the platform remains a challenge.

/u/jedi_outcast 🍼

1 points

2 days ago

You can't stop it bc a drop shipper looks and feels like a legit vendor does bc they have an account, collect coin, have item sent to you.
I'm not sure AI could stop it bc of the nature of it. You order something, the middle man orders it and has it sent to you. Very tough to identify or stop.

/u/snowbunni P Confirmed Market Vendor

1 points

1 day ago

How would we vouch a drop shipper to be honest and trustworthy? Because of the nature of this game, even a new Vendor could extort users as well... :P

As a vendor we notice some things and even if they make a new account we can assume if the order is from a drop shipper. But if they don't have certain patterns, we would have to actively start studying all orders to see if there was a drop shipper within our buyers...

I think the best way to protect yourself is to pick the Vendors that you see with many sales and positive reviews. Everyone else should already know the risk when ordering from the DNMs. (LE is present, Scammers are present, Danger is present). The community is the best way to protect ourselves in this case. Especially since nobody can trust each other on here anyways, this will be hard or next to impossible. I do have one solution but... it would hurt the markets and vendors :P

/u/lowblowjoe

1 points

19 hours ago

[removed by moderators]

/u/eila_the_hella 🍼

1 points

18 hours ago

[removed]

/u/AutoModerator M

1 points

18 hours ago

Posting links of any sort is discouraged. There are ways to shortlist links or just include the information the link provides.
If you feel it's completely necessary to post a link, it requires Mod approval to be posted.

This comment was posted automatically by a bot. All AutoModerator settings are configured by individual communities. Contact this community's Moderators to have your post approved if you believe this was in error.

/u/eila_the_hella 🍼

1 points

18 hours ago

[removed by moderators]

/u/Pleasuremob 🍼

1 points

19 hours ago

Markets can play a significant role in curbing dropshipping by tightening vendor vetting processes. They can implement more robust seller verification systems, including requiring vendors to prove they have direct access to the products they are selling, or track their supply chains to ensure transparency. Additionally, implementing algorithms to monitor suspicious patterns, such as rapid listing changes or high-volume sales with no shipping activity, could help detect and block dropshippers. Enforcing strict penalties for violations, including permanent bans for vendors caught dropshipping, would dissuade dishonest sellers from entering the market.

For buyers, identifying dropshipping can be tricky, but there are some signs to look out for. A vendor offering unusually low prices, having inconsistent or generic product descriptions, or shipping from distant, often non-local locations could be red flags. Transparency is key, so buyers should seek out sellers who are open about their sourcing, shipping times, and return policies. Reporting suspicious activity to the marketplace is crucial—reliable platforms usually have systems in place for addressing such concerns. If a market actively works to reduce or eliminate dropshipping, this would make it a more attractive option for both consumers and legitimate vendors.

/u/samwhiskey https://daunt.link

1 points

19 hours ago

Thanks ChatGPT

/u/Crypto4Chickens

0 points

2 days ago

I don’t see a solution. Sellers specifically don’t provide their nick in the package to avoid identification.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago

there are a number of other ways to identify that someone is drop shipping besides profiling packs, stealth or product.

and i'm also asking if there are other non physical identifiers on the vendor/market side.

/u/Crypto4Chickens

1 points

2 days ago

Can you list some ways to detect dropshipping?
In response to the question, vendors/markets can receive reports regarding dropshipping and verify them. Nothing else.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago

buyers obviously can profile packs, stealth, return addresses, same use of bags, handwriting if the vendor is an opsec king. same shit LE does mate.

vendors - i'm asking for input. patterns in orders, same customers ordering thinking they are trying different vendors - don't forget that some vendors have multiple accounts and can see things buyers can't.

markets - fuck knows what extra digital fingerprints get left around that might identify these things.

you're asking me questions like i'm saying i know the answer to the question i asked. I asked the question to the wider community and from it's various perspectives to try and get some insight and potentially work together on helping address the problem.

maybe a friendly dropshipper or ex dropshipper might be able to help on the subject who knows. or maybe they'll just try to poo poo the conversation ;)

/u/gonnagoforit P

2 points

2 days ago

I'm pretty sure Tribe Seuss has some way that they can identify drop shippers and if they do they ban the account and blacklist the drops. Not sure how they do it though? I assume from the vendors perspective if they see one buyer account make a large amount of orders in a small amount of time, all to differnet drops then that might be a way to tell if someone is drop shipping.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago

yeah multiple drops for one buyer account in a short period of time etc.

that's the kind of thing i mean - there must be plenty of ways to narrow it down and even pinpoint.

do the big drop shippers log in to new buyer accounts for every order?? surely not all of them do

/u/gonnagoforit P

1 points

2 days ago

do the big drop shippers log in to new buyer accounts for every order?? surely not all of them do

Can't imagine the average drop shipper would be bothered to make a new account for every order or client. Accountless markets or markets that don't requrie an account to make a purchase might make it harder to detect drop shipping with this method however. You could still profile them via PGP key I guess (provided they provide it), but I wouldn't put it past these people to just never contact the vendor (therefore the vendor would never need their PGP key) or they could just send drops in plaintext or use a markets built in PGP tool.

/u/DrugHub P DrugHub Market Staff

2 points

2 days ago

True but not always reliable. There are vendors (crews) who operate multiple accounts, some of them are obvious. Others may use the same shippers. Some "vendors" are in fact complex operations running on multiple levels.

As for your other comment mentioning multiple drops on the same account: It's trivial to make different accounts for different orders. Even if they reuse accounts (either out of stupidity or to build rep) markets can't see their details, at least we can't. Vendors can, but I doubt many of them would cancel orders for this reason alone, for many (or most) vendors a sale is a sale regardless of the fact it's drop shipping.

My main point is: There is no straightforward way to deal with it.

/u/dontlaugh 📢 Darknet Shaman

1 points

2 days ago

My main point is: There is no straightforward way to deal with it.

100% agree.. just thought it was worth a chat.

*THURSDAYS THOUGHTS* Can we do anything about Drop Shippers? : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

THURSDAYS THOUGHTS Can we do anything about Drop Shippers? : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets