Whats the deal with Poland having the cheapest oxy? : Opiates | Torhoo darknet markets
Anyone know why Poland has such cheap oxy? Krusty was real cheap and I see other oxydolor vendors and they are all always from Poland and it's insanely cheap. Just curious. Is the oxydolor plant/manufacturer in Poland? Gerot Lannach/GL Pharma is Austrian and makes Oxydolor. Why are there no Austrian oxydolor vendors?
I have a theory but it's just a guess. My theory is that since the USA had the "opioid epidemic" the controls on narcotics eg oxycodone tightened like a vice. Poland has always been very hard to get any sort of opiate/opioid script. So not only are their pills less monitored but there's also a LOT more pills that are just sitting around. Talk to any Polish person, you cannot get opiates no matter what happened to you. Broke both your legs? If you're lucky you'll get some tramadol. However I believe they still order standard quantities of these pills, despite their docs being so stingy. This leads to lots and lots of pills that would never get prescribed anyway. If no one is going to get a script for it, it's a lot less of a big deal if it goes "missing." Just based on my personal experience in Poland.
This is fascinating. By "they" do you mean pharmacies? Pharmacies are ordering oxy and just sits there and so that leads to diversion/theft by employees of the pharmacy? Along your line of thinking, the DEA does fuck with manufacturing which leads to shortages. There are shortages even for legit prescriptions of so many different opioids. So of course, shortages = higher prices.
I know pharmacies are just ordering oxy that sits there. I had a Polish friend who would get her oxycodone by getting a "fake" (it was written by a real doctor but it was paid for) script. So it was a genuine script, but it was bought. It cost her about 40 dollars USA (this was around a year ago) for something like 30 pills of 30s. She told me that the pharmacy was extremely skeptical when she handed it to them, and gave her a very weird look. They filled it anyway though, since it was a genuine prescription. To me that means they don't order oxycodone for specific people, they order it and it sits there.
That is the only case I know of a Polish person ever getting an opiate stronger than tramadol from a doctor and I've spoken to many. I don't know how locked down pharmacies are in Poland; I know in the USA they're pretty tightly controlled.
One factor I'd consider is also that the cost of living in Poland is MUCH lower than in Austria or Germany or other European countries. 1000 dollars to an American drug dealer is okay money. To a Polish drug dealer, that's a massive amount of money. I'm not saying they're dirt poor or a third world country, not at all. Just things are so much cheaper there that what might be "low prices" to you might actually seem like a rip off or expensive af to a Polish person.
I think there are several factors at play. /u/DrManhattan has some cool insight specific to Poland. I can't really answer specific to poland, but here's why I think you'll find european oxy generally cheaper than american scripts.
1. The DEA has tightened the manufacturing of opioids in general in the US. There are regular shortages of all opioids, oxy included.
2. In general, Amercian manufactured opioids are preferred. Whether real or perceived, quality control is one reason
3. There is risk in importing across international lines which is obviously why you won't find even Oxydolor domestically at the same prices as it is in europe
4. With oxydolor specifically, I think b/c the pill lacks an imprint does lower its black market value. So oxydolor will generally be cheaper than OCs. A lot of ppl aren't comfortable with this.
5. In general, ER formulations are cheaper as they are less desired. Instant > OC > OP
Now with /u/DrManhattan comment about how its never prescribed in poland, I'd think it would make it harder to divert. Diversion happens at many different levels. It can be fraudulent patients, crooked doctors - which is like "end user diversion". So this must be impossible to do in Poland. but diversion can also happen anywhere else along the supply chain. In the US, there are middle men b/w the drug manufacturer and the pharmacy. So there are points where diversion can happen. I guess diversion at the middleman must be much easier in Poland to counteract the inability to get it scripted.
I can't answer why there aren't Austrian oxydolor vendors but the thing to keep in mind is that diversion prob doesn't happen often at the manufacturer. Since its shipped all over Europe, it doesn't matter. B/c Polish prices seem to be the cheapest and with what DrManhattan says, I'd assume that the controls in poland within the various "middlemen" who handle the flow of pharmaceuticals must be a lot looser than in Austria. If Austria has it locked down heavily, just like the US, prices won't be great in Austria either. Prices will be best on the black market where diversion is the easiest.
Decades ago, I had a family member who worked for a large American drug manufacturer who made opiates. I think back then it was mostly morphine. They told me back then the controls were so loose that upper management and those with access would often "raid" the supply at the company and take home narcotics. Now, I don't think they were stealing to vend, but stealing for personal use. Back then shit was so uncontrolled as compared to today. I am wondering/guessing if this is poland somewhat. Its intriguing.
That is the only case I know of a Polish person ever getting an opiate stronger than tramadol from a doctor and I've spoken to many. I don't know how locked down pharmacies are in Poland; I know in the USA they're pretty tightly controlled.
One factor I'd consider is also that the cost of living in Poland is MUCH lower than in Austria or Germany or other European countries. 1000 dollars to an American drug dealer is okay money. To a Polish drug dealer, that's a massive amount of money. I'm not saying they're dirt poor or a third world country, not at all. Just things are so much cheaper there that what might be "low prices" to you might actually seem like a rip off or expensive af to a Polish person.