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Whats the future of Dark-Web? : CafeDread | Torhoo darknet markets

I wonder if we can engineer innovation and make this place better?
New technologies, better security practices. I2P? Refined I2P? Blockchain?

LE was breathing down our neck, now they are breathing down our urinary tract.
How do we get an edge and piss them out of our system or at least make their lives harder?

PS: If LE is reading this, I am too stupid to be on a watchlist, use resources elsewhere.


(my pp burns whenever i piss)
/u/MichaelBay
1 points
1 week ago
It's crazy how I've noticed when people think about the "darkweb" it's usually Dread that comes to their mind, seeming to be the forefront of everything "darkweb" and the treasure trove for LE but in reality I believe it's far from that otherwise they'd have targeted this platform with everything they have and Dread wouldn't last this long. As far as Dread is concerned, everything is fine and smooth on here, apart from a some attacks here n there, the usual nothing new, if I'm not mistaken in 2022 if not 23 Dread went offline for close to 8 months! That was the worse time for people in this sphere. Your question should be more directed to markets and shops rather than the "darkweb" as a whole let alone Dread to be specific. But yeah, last time I checked someone posted about implementing multi sign wallet for monero on markets, arguing how that'd revolutionise the game but it met with a lot of skepticism, waiting to see/hear the groundbreaking solutions people might cook up that'd prevent exits and at the same time making it easy to use for the regular Joe
/u/eleven11 📢
1 points
1 week ago
Whats the bottleneck as far as the tech is considered. Building it or making it friendly for the users
/u/MichaelBay
1 points
1 week ago
Well no one wants to build something that only they and a handful can only be able to use right. Most people that use the darkweb esp markets are regular Joe's, it's already painstaking for them to use Tor and navigate everything trying to stay away from phishing links and using PGP etc, it's already enough as it is, you don't want to add a market that requires you to use xmr multisig, that, someone pointed out, hasn't been properly tested nor is it supported by the monero devs, something that would risk finding a nice juicy bug in for threat actors to drain all of everyone's money, it's risky and it's not even worth it, users would simply go to other markets to buy drugs with Bitcoin, which funny enough they still opt to as it is.
There a lot of constraints when developing new services or trying to improve upon Tor. Remember that, in a broadly speaking manner, the "Dark Web". advocates for a safe, completely anonymous, privacy focused network, sort of in a similar way to the original conception of the Internet. There are several different technological implementations of the Dark Web, with projects such as FreeNet, I2P and tor addressing in different ways, and to different extents, some of these broad principles. But remember, making an analogy, these would be the equivalent of your ISP in the clear Internet. On top of those foundations, there are applications and services to run, which must fill some gaps that Tor or I2P or any others, cannot cover. For example, .onion websites cannot rely on SSL/TLS protocol to uniquely identify the owner of a site, because in a fully anonymous network, there is no concept of inherent trust in a Certificate Authority such as Verisign or whatever. This create a ripple effect, as now all the protections brought by SSL/TLS such as traffic encryption, client/server verification and/or Perfect Forward Secrecy cannot be directly inherited for the DarkWeb. And this creates a whole set of technical vulnerabilities and threat surface which is quickly abused by phishing / scammers. Same goes with DDOS: the architecture of DarkWeb is an overlay, through usage of IP Tunneling, over the already existing Internet, where multiple nodes create some sort of a massive WAN, with traffic hopping through multiple nodes across the world to provide anonymity to a connection, but spending additional overhead in terms of traffic consumption and latency, sacrificing this in exchange for privacy. This also creates an inherent flaw, and DDOS attacks targetting connections in the DarkWeb require far less computational strain on the side of the attacker. The list goes on, with a website like Dread, or the DNMs, having to implement layer over layer of different approaches (CAPTCHAs, anti-DDOS systems, PGP encryption) to cover in a different layer, the caveats created by the technical constraints of the network. Usage of Monero is another example, where the cryptocoin blockchain needs to create decoys, stealth addresses and other means to provide for the anonymity that doesn't exist in the clear web cryptocoins.

The multisig mechanism is just one more example of a clever system to address one common flaw in DNMs, the possibility of an exit scam with client and/or vendor wallets left under control of the Market staff, but as several people have pointed out, there's a trade-off between functionality and usability, and unfortunately, the more technology advances, the more difficult it may become to implement easy interfaces for non-savvy users to be able to use them.
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/u/SpeedScout
1 points
1 week ago
We should be asking what is the future of Darknet Markets. Currently, there is no top market. A lot of these markets have a terrible UI and UX. What would be great is if we could get a market with a UI and UX on par or better than Archetyp, with robust security and privacy and one with a confirmed timeline i.e. a confirmed date for retirement which they can inform us closer to the date.
/u/AngieJ P 𝅜5 star
1 points
1 week ago
I just checked out /d/Argo and finally have been impressed. Endgame captcha which is easy, very responsive, and UI is nice and clean. It's new and still needs work, but one of the most promising ones I have seen in a while since Arch.
Have a look at chatarsis, I was simply impressed by how clean is the UI, it may well become a serious contender.
/u/AngieJ P 𝅜5 star
1 points
1 week ago
What is that? A search on all of dread for that word only pulls back your post. Typo?
/u/LibertyExchange
1 points
1 week ago
catharsis
Fat finger, sorry, I meant catharsis
/u/AngieJ P 𝅜5 star
1 points
1 week ago
OMG. I love it.

Now that's what I am talking about.

BTC/LTC is a little cause for concern but otherwise, the usability is amazing.

It's also really easy to identify which country this market was started and is being run. That's really bad.
Yes, the interface is very promising, and they are integrating the forum, they are taking good note of the Archetyp UI easiness. And yeah, same as here in Dread when you read "top donators" and immediately think in "top donatori".
no i checked i2p is a good idea but team behind that don't improve that much ,
i checked there many sites are down ,
not now but after there new releases with improvements yes , still it's not the best choice
maybe we can use it for specific things like share file , and chat and market too but there are some issues
have to do manually