Why don't new markets get any sales? : newmarkets | Torhoo darknet markets Torhoo!

1 points

3 months ago

do markets even publish sales ?

1 points

3 months ago

Not officially, but you can sort by popular in listings or just go down their list of vendors and check their sales / reviews

/u/DrugMahal

1 points

2 months ago

As long as the league players are in game, then new markets will have a dry season.

When the bigboss retires and shuts down shop, buyers will flock to the second best in place. Then the responsibility of the second in place to step up and rule over.

Every space has a leader that will never be repeated. And we believe, up-to-date, there is no one to beat Archetype and its leadership.
It will take a decade to prove you are a better market, and many dont have that patience, dedication, discipline, and commitment to be the number 1 darkweb marketplace.

/u/[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

There are a few reasons.

1. Trust. New markets dont yet have a reputation for good support, active vendors, security etc.

2. Habits, Most people default to markets they know and have used in the past

3. Ease of use, The majority of people dont care about many of the new features and dont even look at new markets. They just use whatever they know and have bookmarked before.

/u/null

1 points

2 months ago

Would you buy a product that no one else has purchased in a market that no one else has used before?

/u/onyn 📢

1 points

2 months ago

I would give a new one a shot if:
1. The vendor is reputable on Dread / other marketplaces
2. You can prove that the vendor is actually who they say they are (PGP matches)
3. The marketplaces I use often have some kind of issue (too hard to access because of captcha / ddos, exit scammed, siezed, etc)

To be fair, I wouldn't be the FIRST to buy from a marketplace, ever. There should have been at least a few sales on it that can be verified to be real people, or I might just get my money stolen from me the second I deposit. I probably also wouldn't do any large transactions on it until there are a few thousand sales on the platform, considering the risk of selective scamming.

/u/null

1 points

2 months ago

Generally, customers don't bother switching to a new market unless the user experience is notably superior. No one wants to be the pioneer in buying a product, even if it's from a reputable vendor.

/u/onyn 📢

1 points

2 months ago

How on earth do markets start out then if this is the case? Incognito marketplace was amazing (owner was not, but that's besides the point), but it just came out of nowhere and people flocked to it. DrugHub doesn't have anything unique about it, but it's still one of the most popular ones. It also just happened to spawn in.

/u/null

1 points

2 months ago

At this time, there are a large number of markets operating simultaneously, but most of them are in a state of practical inactivity. I've seen how beautiful platforms have disappeared after only a few months of being in operation due to a lack of customers. I believe that success depends on a combination of luck, effective marketing, and the right timing to launch. People can prefer platforms they are familiar with or that inspire trust, rather than necessarily choosing the best designed one.

/u/greenpirate Moderator

1 points

2 months ago

there were market coming out of the blue and with a very agrasive promotion they reached the top fast( it was the time of alot of exit scams) icarus and deep sea were examples of that.
so with lots of promotion you can also stimulate it and otherwise it will take alot of patience and time.

there are no markets that stay around for 10 years all of them retire or exit or get caught and then other markets have the chance to pop up

/u/velvion

1 points

2 months ago

i personally dont touch any market that isnt in superlist

/u/soonallgood

0 points

2 months ago

Soon there will be what should have been done long ago - we are on the way and when we are ready we will show a crushing force. Guys, we will come to the rescue soon

/u/thegreateste4st

1 points

2 months ago

Who is "we?"

/u/warpzoneworld1 WarpZone Market

0 points

2 months ago

because people on dread tell buyers not to use them, so what do you expect

/u/onyn 📢

1 points

2 months ago

From what I recall, your market was very insecure. In that instance, it would be justifiable to not use it.

/u/quark P Omega market admin

1 points

2 months ago*

Literally, I support WarZone Market on this. I know it has some security issues, but let’s be honest, every market does. You just have to look closely and stay cautious. No system is perfect, but at least some platforms make an effort to secure theirs to the min.

Dread really wasn’t like this in the beginning. It used to be a great place to hang out with like-minded people, share ideas, and do what you wanted within reason and morals, of course. Now, whenever someone mentions a new market, the top users and staff jump in saying: “Don’t use new markets, only trust Superlist markets,” like they’re the only secure ones out there.

Sure, Superlist markets have built trust over time. But let’s not forget, 90% of Dread’s revenue comes from those same markets they keep promoting. No market is here to last forever, eventually, someone will replace the current top market. And if Dread keeps censoring discussions about new markets, it’s not a good look for the future of the community.

I get the argument that most ad revenue comes from vendors, not markets. But have you read those ads req? Almost all vendors featured have higher sales on top markets, otherwise, they wouldn’t even be eligible for certain ad spots. And nearly every vendor with their own shop started on a market. So no, I’m not saying new markets should spam Dread. But there should be space in the community to allow new markets to grow and attract vendors, especially in subs like those focused on drugs, where a lot of vendors happens to be.

Anyway, I’ll end this long reply here. Just my POV: Omega has some sales not a ton but a few are ongoing, and others have been completed. I genuinely believe that with patience and discipline, everyone can grow.

Tagging /u/HugBunter so he sees this.

Thank you.

/u/HugBunter A

3 points

2 months ago

You're actually quite wrong in this.

I personally, want new markets to thrive and grow. There is always a stigma towards them due to bad history in the past, but I made efforts to weed out a lot of the new markets that were either malicious or just completely insecure. Since Reddit, there has always been a Superlist and the exact same stigmas, where users suggested that you stick to Superlist markets only. I don't agree with that entirely, but a filtering process on Dread at least, especially with a large influx of new (mostly shit) markets appearing regularly, where the Superlist is the safest bet to find markets that have built a reputation and no glaring issues have been found as it has been tested by more and more users over time is an absolute necessity. The Superlist is not intrinsic to Dread, or unique to it, the DNM subdread was built on the original subreddit of the same name, with the Moderation team that was present at the time the subreddit was banned. Nothing has changed in that respect aside from the requirements becoming stricter.

Dread staff have ZERO input towards Superlist decisions. We're struggling for funding too, really struggling, we could quite easily open up ads to more people and have absolutely no issues, but that would go against everything Dread was built on. There HAS to be a quarantine process for Ads and the easiest way for us to do that is to trust in the Superlist process.

You are encouraged to grow through other means instead of relying on Dread.

Its not a good look for you to create this bias because it affects you. Its this way for one reason only and that is to reduce risk. The same goes with the minimum sale requirement for vendors. Holding ads to a high standard is not something I will apologize for.

With that being said, you specifically have no reason to complain, markets have waited a lot longer. The only issue with the Superlist is that the DNM mods have not been responsible with it for a while now, which delays markets making any progress with their verification, I hassle them all the time to get a move on with it, but usually nothing changes and this is why the Dread update will make the entire process with them transparent, so they can be held accountable for turn around time and any potential bias, which has been claimed by people, but I haven't personally witnessed anything to suggest a bias outside of valid reasoning due to a market having certain issues for example or they simply didn't meet the requirements.

Be patient... when this update goes live, you will get through their process easily assuming you do meet requirements.

/u/BlackCell P BlackOps Admin

2 points

2 months ago*

I've been reading this topic and wanted to give a bit of insight from our experience..

We believe, like us, some markets are growing just fine without the Superlist but also without the blessing of entrenched gatekeepers. (them not being Dread). We’ve seen serious traction in a relatively short span, without leaning on old pipelines or only buying legitimacy through ads.

Security, uptime, vendor and buyer satisfaction, these are what matter. And we’ve delivered, consistently. From our side, we respect that Dread wants to maintain standards.

However i think some market admins believe standards are turning into stagnation and that it starts looking less like “risk reduction” and more like protectionism for incumbents and that makes some uncomfortable.

We know markets do not have to bend the knee just to be acknowledged. This doesn't mean that many users here aren't biased, that's human nature. But we've clearly gone through the motions, positive and negative, without major security issues and our market is becoming more and more successful.

These are just our 2 cents from going through the exact process some very new markets are going through right now and we're telling you; it can be done with a solid team and an even more solid product. This doesn't mean we dont aspire to be a superlist market, but you can get success without being on a superlist.

That's just the truth of it.

TLDR: 'you can get success without immediately being on a superlist.'

/u/HugBunter A

2 points

2 months ago

Yes, absolutely agree with everything you said here. Its more that you should be able to prove you are able to grow without Dread, that is persistence and hard work, where lots of markets that were going to fail already will give up.

Its too easy to reach a huge audience here if markets were given free reign, which would be unbelievably damaging for the community that I am responsible for. If we could trust that new markets are going to be secure, reliable and honest then it would be a different story. The processes are in place for a reason and they work in terms of exposing some of these mentioned issues before the market is able to affect a large amount of users, which we would be responsible for if we were happily sending them users there.

Dread is not the only option and it shouldn't be saw as what you rely on completely, especially because there will come a day where Dread is gone.

Patience with the process, prove your worth, every market has always had to go through the same, these big markets started off in the same position and built themselves to what they are now, the extent of that now wouldn't be possible without Dread, sure, but they built their original user base and following through persistence.

Also /u/quark it is a bias that is understandable, I wasn't saying that its a negative thing, but from the outside perspective you would see things differently. Its going to be a frustrating process, but give it time and you'll appreciate that you worked hard to build the market without completely relying on Dread rather than it being an easy and quick process which can lead to disaster, you don't want growth that you can't handle either, many seemingly great markets died a quick death when they saw significant growth in a short period that they were not prepared for.

/u/quark P Omega market admin

1 points

2 months ago

Honestly, I get what /u/HugBunter is trying to say, but the way he framed his reply makes it seem like I’m being biased just because I pointed out something that’s clearly happening. That alone is frustrating. He says this affects me personally and yeah, it does, but that doesn’t make what I said any less true. I’m not going to reply to every sentence he wrote because if I do, I’ll break down every single line, and it’ll just turn into an endless back-and-forth.

Let’s get something straight I wasn’t biased, and I’m still not. I said what I said because it’s the reality. He says Dread staff has “zero input” on the Superlist, but then in the same breath says he’s working on an update to make the Superlist process faster. So which is it? Either you have no control, or you do. Pick one.
As for Omega, will find its way and follow its own path. Being part of the Dread community has been good for us, and I’m grateful for that. but let’s not pretend this is the only place that matters. There had been a markets with massive user bases that don’t even know what Dread is. There are markets that have been around for years, grinding hard, and still aren’t on the Superlist. TorZone just got listed and it’s been here for over a year. So what exactly is the timeline or criteria? No one knows.

That’s the problem.

Thank you.

-Quark

/u/BlackCell P BlackOps Admin

1 points

2 months ago

I get your point, but speed doesn't equal depth or further involvement. Moving quickly just means the bare minimum was met, it doesn't reflect how well the core issues are handled. There’s a lot more that defines a market today: the trustworthiness of the admins, how much they actually built and understand, buyer/vendor feedback, and the track record of the staff. Some markets aren’t listed due to outside events, while others simply offer more value to the community. It’s not just about ticking boxes, it’s about what’s behind them.

/u/warpzoneworld1 WarpZone Market

1 points

2 months ago

i get your point and it valid
lets put our hands together and wait for the update as /u/hugBounter said