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Yet another user scammed by https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=# : DarkNetMarkets | Torhoo darknet markets

My experience is hardly unique, but I wanted to put it out there so that anyone doing their due diligence through a quick Dread search would have a chance to see it.

I place an order through https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=# in Mid-June on Abacus.
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=# marks the order shipped.
I give it more than a week, then ask https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=# what the deal is
Abacus dies
After letting the abacus dust settle, I contact https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=# within the last week
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=# confirms he will not be sending me an order and never did

That's really it. There was plenty of time alotted to ship, deliver, finalize the order, and subsequently withdraw any funds before the closure of Abacus. Had the order actually shipped within the agreed-upon and vendor-promised timeframe wouldn't be any issues, but apparently a lot of others had this exact same experience?

I've put together a table for users searching for this seller; if you posted about your experience and want it listed here, just link to the post.

Post	URL
Scammed By Brainblast	/post/d63fd8da0b0707ac9770/
https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=# order	/post/401cb0aea516957515b9/
Exeriences ordering from BrainBlast?	/post/79d3a1884039947a7018/
Ordered From BRAINBLAST 11 days ago, Still No Product	/post/e94e74708ef3366749c4/

/u/woodienorcal 🍼

2 points

3 days ago

Just kiss the abacus order goodbye. Mine never got sent either.

/u/Dildo 📢

0 points

3 days ago

I've already given it the farewell smooch, but sharing what happened is important for other users.

If your situation is the same as mine, we aren't victims of Abacus. What I mean is, when looking at the timeline, not only would we have had our orders, but there was sufficient time to withdraw the crypto from the market if the order was instead sent on time. I'd have the order, vendor would have the crypto, Abacus would have nothing but their cut.

Instead, I have nothing, vendor has product that was never sent, Abacus has my crypto.

/u/toor

1 points

3 days ago

Did you release the funds or finalize early? Why would you expect a vendor to send you drugs for free? Vito took your money and probably took thousands off BB.

/u/Ghwbushsr

2 points

3 days ago

real shit. vito probably got like 10k off BB and like $100 off this guy. and he thinks BB isn't just as pissed off at the guy who stole everyone's money. especially right after arch, that's gotta sting like an uppercut right after a haymaker for vendors...

/u/OLIVERHART13

2 points

3 days ago

use to order from brainblast on archetyp, decent shit at a good price, sucks to read this.

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

3 days ago*

you need to take it up with abacus. They're the ones who got your money if you hadn't finalized.

if you had finaized, you might have some recourse from BB but it sounds like you paid abacus to mediate this transaction and abacus took off with yalls money without making good on the escrow part of the deal. had abacus still been here, you could simply dispute it.

I got some shitty stuff from BB about a month ago. he shipped fairly quick, stealth could use work but it landed. other than that that was my honest, one and only experience with that vendor. probably wouldn't try again tbh.

I have no interest in protecting the vendor, but dude, you got scammed out of ONE pack, by abacus. had he sent the pack out, he'd have been the one eating it right now. Do you have any idea how many packs he probably ate the cost of by sending them out before it didn't come back?

you can't expect another person who also got fucked, probably a lot worse than you did, tbh, to eat all the cost and let their buyers get shit they didn't get paid for. that's not how business works, or at least a profitable one does....

/u/AngieJ P

2 points

3 days ago

Take it up with Abacus?

How exactly do you propose he do that? I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you answer.

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

3 days ago*

same way anyone else does... they were the middleman responsible for mediating this deal. they're the ones who kept not only OP's money but i'm sure the money from many other orders that hadn't been yet finalized.

Brainblast did not win here, unless OP had finalized, then sure it would then be on BB

I mean it sucks but we all know the risk of a site pulling an empire market move is inherently present, and you can't exactly expect a vendor to be like "damn, the market took both our money, so here lemme get you some stuff on the house"

you can't say brainblast scammed the dude when clearly they didn't get a damn thing from it, abacus literally took everything in escrow they were supposed to release to the vendor when OP finalized.

The one they should be mad at is the one who has all the money right now and didn't do anything for it.

/u/AngieJ P

1 points

3 days ago

Okay. That's fair.

It's a shitty situation all around. I do think a vendor has an obligation to ship out all orders that they have accepted and have shipping information for where the buyer has paid and is waiting.

That's a risk the vendor took by vending on an escrow based market and really needs to be sucked up as a "cost of doing business" -- it's Econ/Finance 101. The vendor knows a market can take off and crash or exit at any moment, so you bake into the product cost expected losses from X, Y, or Z.

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

3 days ago

fair point. If I was BB i'd offer OP a 50% off one time use coupon for next order. basically splitting the difference. because in reality, i'm sure the vendor got screwed much much harder than OP did (multiple orders), and neither one of them walked away with anything

/u/toor

1 points

3 days ago

I'm sorry but that's an insane take imo. Vendor is under no obligation to ship out a package if they did not receive the money for the order. Period. You really expect someone to lose thousands because of an exit scam and then double their losses? BB is fucking legit and getting crapped on by people that are sore because they are out $100. Give me a break.

/u/AngieJ P

1 points

3 days ago

So you expect the buyers to take 100% of the loss then?

/u/toor

1 points

3 days ago

Vendor has 0 of their monies. They need to make their complaint to Vito who has all their monies.

/u/hystericalaugh 🍼

0 points

3 days ago

are you moron? he didnt ship because his monie is stuck just like how yours is fucken nutcase

/u/Dildo 📢

-1 points

3 days ago

Jesus, this post really brought the sock puppets out of the woodwork.

> are you moron? he didnt ship because his monie is stuck just like how yours is fucken nutcase

That isn't true. He didn't ship for weeks before the market went down.

/u/hystericalaugh 🍼

2 points

3 days ago

because he knew something would happen to the market before they even pulled the plugged

/u/toor

0 points

3 days ago

If he didn't ship out for weeks then you would have had to extend as there was an 8 day limit until orders auto finalized. BB has none of your money and is not entitled to send you free drugs.

/u/Ghwbushsr

2 points

3 days ago

nono, they're not free, he gave the money to abacus.

imagine paying someone up front to go cop some drugs, then that person goes missing and you call the plug up like "yo man, I sent this dude to get drugs from you but he robbed me. so you think you could hook it up what you owe me even tho dude's gone?"

plug's gonna laugh his ass off and tell you never to call him again else you wanna be the next mf over here missing

/u/TrustNoOne420 🍼

1 points

2 days ago

It auto-finalizes an order after 7 days. If the OP's experience was like my own, which it sounds like it was, the orders were marked as "accepted" first, and then within 3 days marked as "shipped". Thats how mine was at least. It said it was "shipped". So I did not file a dispute because I believed everything to be on track and simply assumed shipping was held up by USPS since it showed up in my USPS Informed Delivery as 2 packages "on the way". It even gave me an expected arrival date of July 7th which was a week longer than my previous shipping experiences with BB, but again I assumed it was due to a USPS issue as it was a busy holiday weekend.

So from Abacus's view the order had shipped and there was no dispute filed in the seven days after which should have released funds to BB before the Abacus meltdown.

It wasn't until after I read the post on Dread about Abacus possibly being seized or exit scamming, that I looked again at my USPS Informed Delivery info which said that the shipping labels had been printed but that the packages were never received from sender. So BB had created the shipping labels, marked the order as "shipped" with Abacus, and then somehow magically known that Abacus was planning an exit scam and chose not to actually send the packages or notifying me as a buyer of any of this, while still allowing himself enough time to autofinalize and withdraw funds before Abacus went down.

From what I read from the OP's post and comments, it seems that this is exactly what happened to him as well.

As for not expecting a vendor to ever send drugs for free, as stated on the product's description on this listing by BB on Abacus, it stated that if the package didn't land due to intercept or any reason that was not clearly the fault of the buyer (ie bad address) that he would reship at his expense. So technically if he had sent the packs and they were intercepted, he would have resent more at his expense, which is by definition "free drugs" sort of. My point being that with an insurance disclaimer like he had listed with this product, he was acknowledging that he may end up losing money in the event of an interception and re-send of an order.

I'm not expecting anything to be made right by BB after reading now that the same thing that happened to me also happened to multiple people.

But knowing that, I'm no longer interested finding him on another market or willing to trust a direct-buy scenario from him unless he either sends me 1 of my 2 packs or provides me with a better explanation of what occurred rather than letting other folks on Dread defend him in posts like this.

& I agree, we should ALL be mad at Abacus/Vito. But if BB and other vendors knew enough inside info to know an exit was coming and chose not to fulfill multiple orders, while still accepting those orders and not notifying any of those buyers, then they basically were complicit in perpetrating their own exits because if he knew enough to not ship orders well before Abacus actually went down, then he definitely withdrew all of his funds at that time too, and so your theory that he lost his ass too doesn't hold water given his actions to failing to fulfill multiple orders a week before Vito shut down Abacus,

/u/toor

1 points

2 days ago

Once everyone was shut out of the site, orders were frozen. There was no auto finalize. They made shipping labels but did not send out once they realized they were not getting the escrow funds.

This happens every time there is an exit scam. It is fucking retarded to blame the vendor. If you hit the finalize early button your pack would have been sent. As they did not receive the money they have no further obligation no matter if they made a shipping label.

https://torhoo.cc/go.php?u=TDNVdlluSmhhVzVpYkdGemRBPT0=#

1 points

1 day ago

Our finalize timer is set to 10 days minimum and up to 14 days depending on which product. Abacus took everybody's money, not us.

/u/toor

1 points

1 day ago

Yes. Some of these folks don't get it.

/u/ElectronicExorcist

1 points

1 day ago

Before getting off in the weeds about theoreticals, in this specific instance, the vendor marked the item shipped before the market exited. I think that if my item is marked shipped, I have an expectation that I will be receiving said item. Don't mark things shipped that haven't been shipped! Just a bit of a pet peeve of mine.

/u/toor

1 points

1 day ago

Because that's how the market worked, doesn't mean the vendor got your money. You would have had to finalize before they got a cent. Everything they did send out, once the site went down shut down, they lost all the money from those orders. If there was no chance of funds to be released it does not matter if they printed labels. You still did not release their money.

/u/Dildo 📢

-1 points

3 days ago

How can you say that when the vendor had weeks to ship before Abacus went down? I feel like you're not understanding the situation; maybe I didn't notate the timeline well enough? Everyone would have had what they were promised if the order was sent on time.

There was enough time for the order to finalize and the vendor to withdraw their funds had the schedule been adhered to. Here's what I said to another user on this post:

> ...we aren't victims of Abacus. What I mean is, when looking at the timeline, not only would we have had our orders, but there was sufficient time to withdraw the crypto from the market if the order was instead sent on time. I'd have the order, vendor would have the crypto, Abacus would have nothing but their cut.

/u/Ghwbushsr

0 points

3 days ago*

yes but scammers get something by misrepresenting a product or service and collecting payment for it.

what did brainbast walk away with? you didn't get your product you paid for. he didn't get paid. Abacus did get paid. they did not provide brainblast with that payment

bitch all you want but if he offered you 50% coupon on next order, I'd take it or else move onto another vendor and take the L like brainblast did.

had you ordered from him on DM, I bet you wouldn't be crying right now. You picked a loser market to order from. and that's really on both of you for using it

there's no such thing as a market that will never rip anyone off. learn your lesson next time keep that in mind there's always a risk of getting fucked when you order online. next time don't order then

/u/toor

1 points

3 days ago

This is the way.

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

3 days ago

This guy really fuming, thinks brainblast should insure the fucking market to the customers, even though the market robbed everyone

/u/toor

2 points

3 days ago

This other person saying that they should bake in the the loses and still send out is out of their minds as well.

/u/Ghwbushsr

1 points

3 days ago

i mean, I'd say that COULD be accurate IF OP had been paying for it. Brainblast is one of the cheaper vendors which, to me implies no additional warranties with the product.

If he paid extra from one of the vendors selling the same shit for more, MAYBE that arguement could be made. but the cheapest price, to me implies the only insurance is provided by the market's escrow, and the market just fucked EVERYBODY.

it's like if your family dies in the twin towers, and you wanna blame the firefghters in new york for not pulling them out in time. motherfucker they lost family too, so did everybody. go after osama bin laden or the bush family (depending on what you believe which is responsible, i say both) don't go after the the NYCFD for not getting there quick enough

/u/toor

1 points

3 days ago

Completely agree with you. These entitled takes are not based in reality.

/u/Dildo 📢

-2 points

3 days ago

> yes but scammers get something by misrepresenting a product or service and collecting payment for it.

Immaterial and not related to the situation.

> what did brainbast walk away with?

I see the rhetoric you're going for, but you're restating what I just said.

Vendors have transparent service level agreements. Customers see this and can choose who to do business with based on the SLA. He didn't offer a coupon or I would have shared that. Instead, I'm sharing what happened so future potential customers can use this info.

It may not be important to you, but if a potential customer sees "2-3 weeks" for one vendor and "2-4 days" for another vendor, they might choose the latter option. I posted this and collated the table so buyers can see a vendor didn't stick to the promised timeline by shipping the order within a couple of weeks.

> take the L like brainblast did.

I'm not sure what you're getting at; you already agreed I lost money, but the vendor didn't lose any product. With hindsight it's easy to see that in this situation all Ls could have been avoided by sticking to the SLA

/u/Ghwbushsr

2 points

3 days ago

I ordered from brainblast on DM, around the same time you did. pack landed in like 3 days.

I am so sorry the market took your money. maybe we should hunt the admins down and make them pay?

/u/toor

1 points

3 days ago

You don't think BB had orders out and didn't get paid for them? Almost guaranteed they lost thousands in shipped orders and they are supposed to lose more? You're out of your mind.

/u/BitterAlprazolam69 🍼

1 points

3 days ago

I'm in the same boat man, but I'm dealing with a different vendor. :(

/u/spidimcguier

1 points

3 days ago

same here, didnt respond at all to me till i made a dread post, asked me to delete it, deleted it, seems like he never sent it again lol... i fucking hate these scummy vendors.

/u/Craiggoesshopping 🍼

1 points

3 days ago

Confirmed scammer, scammed so many people. Was supposed to ship week or roughly 10 days before seizure.

/u/Battery

1 points

2 days ago

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/u/sicknewworld 🍼

1 points

2 days ago

I was initially under the impression that this vendor had scammed me and essentially took the order as a total loss.

I was actually super surprised when I received the shipment. I wasn't able to finalize due to the market Exit Scamming or whatever we decided Abacus did lol.

Quality was pretty decent. 3/5 for the K that I received. Though I feel like there was some kind of Analog mixed in or possible Amphetamine mixture to add volume. (Not my favorite, kind of fucked tbh)

Price was best on the market with their sticky post.

Comms was terrible. Didn't receive a reply in the DMs.

Overall, probably wouldn't mess with this dude again. Hope y'all get your orders.

/u/ruleswift11 🍼

1 points

1 day ago

I'm bamboozled why you'd think a vendor would send an order that they won't be paid for? Why would they lose product and not be paid for it?

It's the risks you take as a buyer, DNMs are volatile places that can go at any time.

I lost money and my order, but I'm not crying about it

/u/kirblagoop

0 points

3 days ago

hey lost about .5 xmr with him around the same time. Its almost like he knew it was coming. Not trying to be conspiracy, but I did have exactly the same situation happen to me. Its quite the coincidence the market crashed at the same time of his exit scam.

Not that it matters really, but yea looks like he got tipped off and stopped selling, but kept the money flowing.

Hey we keep going

Love ya and shit!!

/u/toor

1 points

3 days ago

He got tipped off!? LMAO! You obviously have no fucking clue. How tf are they going to keep the money flowing if funds are not released to them? You are implying that they were involved with abacus on the exit scam? Gtfo with that nonsense.

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0 points

3 days ago

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/u/toor

0 points

3 days ago

Did you release the funds and finalize? Then they did not get your money the market got it.

/u/kirblagoop

1 points

2 days ago

I think it was a FE order. Im not really implying anything, im just saying it is a concidence multiple people had the same thing happen myself included. That is a good point though you bring up like what if any funds was he even able to keep? Who would end up with that money? The creator of Abacus?

/u/toor

2 points

2 days ago

They did not have FE listings. Yes, Vito took off with the money. Once the site went down all orders froze and that money was transferred to different wallets. Vendors did not get their money and anything left in escrow was taken by the site admin. No conspiracy besides the admin exit scamming. They may have been spooked by arche and decided to cash out.